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Some managers can train player only up to 180% but some can do over 190%.rules said that skills is reaching max 2700 points but some can go much over.same with support which means nothing.its just iliusion.too many lies coming from nordeus and many times its proved that you are not making any impact on game,they taking over.new FA will be pile of s*** so season after season just getting worst.start to be only business.time to look for something else.
Hi minvis, and welcome to the forum! :)
Players can be trained up to 180% through training but they can go even higher with the direct skill points add you can win in special sponsor and events.
Anyways, it would be great if you actually explained your views and provide some feedback so the game can be improved. What do you want to happen regarding support? What would you change?
Cheers.
Some can train player for more than 2700 skill points and its real.supporters makes no impact on game,players in wrong position,morale,tactics means nothing.so what it means?means that you just watching your win or loss,thats a true.and its proved thorough couple seasons.nordeus takes over games, topscorers.thats true
Then quit, boohoo. These forums are full of rigged conspiracies, but as for me? Well, I am doing just fine and enjoying this game. It all comes down to management and sometimes other managers of weaker or even vacant clubs have a setup that works great against your strategy. Could things be improved? definitely. But part of management is dealing with issues. If you feel that Nordeus unfairly favors another team over you, look at what they do in terms of squad, skill distributions, tactics, formation, etc. and try to utilize that in your own club.
Can see that you dont understand yourself.i dont care about win or loose.but i can see that you still believe in your tactics and strategy.its not working.and i was going perfect.was smashing every team.but this season i stopped and was looking what will be.and still was going alright even i tryed to loose some games.another thing,i won league with 0%bonus,no trainings.thats why result is already before game started.its not managers game.only silly ones can still believe in morale tactics and everything else.and when you scoring 12 goals to same strengh team and only 1 to tanker which is 100% less it shows.everything predictable.so enjoy but many of us will change a way of play.like its said mourinho and nordeus uselles tandem.
The new FA system of multipliers will change the whole landscape of how league works. The motivation for a top3 finish, which is make or break for ultimate rewards, will mean there are no easy leagues anymore. What you suggested would be confined to history even if they were all true, when it is not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by minvis80
Just be prepared for every single league match being competitive like a CL final. It will be like that.
Everyone has their own opinion.i have mine,many of my friends thinks nearly same.i liked game before but now getting worst and worst.and last thing its start to go more to only business.have a good game everyone who still believe in this game
Please, minvis80, do something to the punctuation in your posts. Your opinion might be very interesting, but it is absolutely unreadable!
If you don't like the game, don't play. If you don't understand Nordeus tactics, learn or lose. If your strategy works 95% of the time, investigate the 5%. But life is hard enough, so don't play or think about a game that only frustrates you :)
Im already not playing,just watching.taiking rest for sub,only one thing that nordeus can let do yourself🤣,and for you if you think you so smart in tactics,i can say have good atack and everything else will no matter (afcourse you cant be lower by stars from your opponents),and sometimes you can have great team with high white skills but will be not enough to beat someone with favorites status,even you will be guru of tactics.there is nordeus guys,there is normal managers who knows about football,tactics but it will be not enough to beat algorithm of money 💰 .and another thing too many bugs in game.
Y lo poco me gusta ver gentuza que gasta dinero de verdad para mejorar sus jugadores cuando se meten otra temporada es perder dinero y deja a los demás en inferior
Your understanding of the game seems stuck at the beginners level, honestly. My record shows that we, as managers, could do a lot with tactics to overturn disadvantage of up to 20% team quality. Ignorance, laziness, excuses-blaming and unwillingness to learn are what you insist on.Quote:
Originally Posted by minvis80
You can choose to quit the game when you cannot be bothered to learn and master, but don’t make yourself look silly when you try to blame the game for your losses.
If i would be loosing,maybe.in last four seasons including this one i lost maybe 5 times.and its not about it.can see that you are only begginers level so play longer when you can tell me something more.dont know what team you have but dont think you would have a chance against mine.so enjoy and rely on tactics i said my opinion what i can see in seasons going
You are having a laugh. My team has been fighting in platinum associations since level 2 with a 70% max point record since, and that comes from a freeloader.Quote:
Originally Posted by minvis80
Check on here and discord to see my suggestions given, managers win-rate feedback before even claiming I am a beginner by just looking at my current club level. Hahahaha!
This thread is so funny.
Well I have no idea who you are or what your level is but minvis80 is absolutely right and I totally share his point of view. I have been playing this bs for almost 8 years. I'm playing on top level of my server right now and it should be some 90+ seasons by now and I have won incredible amount of quadruples including the 2nd World Cup competition (just to prove that I'm not a passer-by here). But having reached the top level I saw all the problems the game has. My perfectly trained team is being rapped by any possible low quality bot with incredible scores like 9-0. I play hard in my league but still I'm only 10th this season, I have told this hundreds of time - the engine makes predetermined or random results. While being on lower levels you can't understand this, life is perfect, you keep winning everything and you think you are almighty manager knowing tacticts and strategies. But you are wrong. I play one more team won lower levels with just the same strategies and keep winning easily while my main team struggles to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
And once again to what minvis80 said - 90% of the game is just a visual picture that has no impact. Or are there really anyone who believes that height, weight, foot of the player matters, together with sp or position? you can put your gk as a striker and he can easily score goals, you can easily win with red card to your player after losing 4-0. Training bonus is just a waste of time - I haven't trained bonus even once but still I win quadruples. Match up and draw system is one total crap - my main team with 110% avq has to play against 160-185 opponents. And bugs are everywhere - today we had a server maintenance for almost 2 hours while most teams had FA matches and CL finals. I can't even imagine what will happen on Sunday when the new update comes.
Point by point:Quote:
Originally Posted by a.gavrilin
1) Length of playing time vs game knowledge and understanding:
No disrespect to how long you have played as 90+ seasons is very long indeed. But how deep we understand the game and engine works has no resemblance with how long we play after a certain period of learn, improve and eventually master. That probably would take 1 year max for those who are both interested in playing the game better and also willing to learn from mistakes and others’ strengths (such as watching finals learning of how to play different formations and orders that we are not very familiar with). A player who has some 2 years of ongoing in-depth exploration of the game could easily possess a similar level of knowledge and ability to win a match like a 9-year-seasoned player, when one is diligent enough just to read through all the useful posts in this forum written by the most experienced managers around.
2) Higher quality does not always win
the team with the better team quality does not always win (Just to be clear I am comparing quality in the sense of proportional whites quality advantage), regardless if we have already preset the globally-recognised best-ever counter formation and orders against our opposition. That is because there is a well-known 60%-quality troll rule where the weaker team could have a chance on their day.
The engine will set up certain matches where our team would suffer in every single aspect, such as all front and midfielders starters are off-form and cannot score, all the supposedly ‘correct’ orders in the perfect counter formation are ‘switched’ in the other way round, opponent would somehow get 1 FK/CK/PK/long shot chance and score with 100% conversion rate with that single shot-on-target in that particular match too. This setup is purposefully done to cause an upset to even up the minuscule 1% chance of an extremely inferior team to get a result when the superior team would have won 99% of the 100 matches without even attending. That is called probability and the system will ‘fairly’ allocate these matches to us to balance things up. In reality, this is like a non-league team in England knocking out a Premier league team in the FA Cup., if you need a comparable example.
So, it is up to us managers to attend that match (that is clearly our own fault to presume a game is won without attendance before a ball is kicked), make multiple in-match formation and player position movements switches, try all different kinds of mentality and orders, sub on our match-winner scoring sub at the right time to score that extremely hard winner or comeback decider. Sitting there waiting for miracles when it is crystal clear that 80% of shots off target, and then doing minimal expecting the same formula to work 100% of the time and only try a ST sub at 80th min won’t cut it (in the sense that manager is still naive in match approach to expect all 340% finishing attackers would score hattricks in every match).
3) Formation and orders:
Do not claim any counter formation does not work, and also do not even try to convince ourselves that every time when we lose just because of bad luck. There is no such thing as bad luck, or even troll match. Troll match is very similar to what I illustrated in point 2 above - everything is set against us despite we should have been doing everything right on-paper. It is up to us managers to find a way through to change enough of in-match options to turn the match to our favour.
We may still occasionally lose a troll match every season or so, despite us having tried every trick in the box, And yes, that single loss could be excusable as a troll when everything just fails, but claiming anything more than that single loss as trolls is all about face-saving in not admitting our own incapability in losing to a better opposition manager (even when that minor shortfall is very insignificant).
And obviously there will be explainable losses which simply reflects the quality difference of our team against opponents.
Eg, 2 teams of equal quality. 1 plays a 4-2-2-2H and his opposition plays a 5-3-1-1 via defensive middle counter. I can guarantee that the latter team will win 80-90% of the time (the rest of 10%-20% is likely to be a draw because the engine favours the former team in settings). And same goes with every formation with every counters, when each team has 11 players and can only cover well of certain areas of the field, leaving space in certain areas for opponents to effectively exploit. As the manager of the latter team with the ‘correct’ counter, it is our job to find the suitable in-match changes to turn the win rate from 80-90% to close to 100%.
Managers who are able to increase that chance to close to 100% are the top ones, especially applicable to higher level managers who are vastly experienced; those who can’t and blame the game engine in giving him a troll draw/loss are good ones at best.
And not knowing how to counter every different formations and counters then go to suggest formation counters, tactics and orders are cosmetic are simply lazy managers who are unwilling to learn, despite long years of playing the game.
4) High vs low level managers
By claiming high level club managers would find it more difficult to use the exact same team against the same opposition to win than lower level managers make people speechless. In every football game, there could be 2 result: a draw, or one with a winner and loser. When we lose, our opposition gets that win. So how would that even make sense? We could suggest lower level managers, in general, understands the game not as well as the higher level managers, hence an experienced manager playing a lower level manager who would not be as tactically sound as the experienced manager, and so the experienced manager would win more than lose.
Then it only points to 1 single thing: that experienced manager is simply not good enough as his high level competitors to win. Not the game engine discriminating that particular manager in making him lose more often than others.
5) Animations, cosmetic factors, win rate & training bonus factor:
It is universally known under numerous youtubers channels that managers can distinguish opposition team’s mentality, pressing type, passing focus, etc. by simply observing the animations.
It is also basic game knowledge that feature stats, such as left/right foot, height, weight, etc. within the player tab are cosmetics. But do not attempt to mix these few cosmetic features up with other player factors such as position, SA, etc. to make a wrong conclusion from incorrect assumptions. These are totally different: position & SA would affect the player performance, while cosmetic features like height, weight & foot would not.
Win rate is the chance where our team could win a matchup, and we can try to help our team by providing as much favourable factors as possible, such as team player bonus, match win bonus, superb or on-fire morale status, max 99% conditions, etc. Doing none may have a win rate of 90%, and doing all mentioned could increase it to, say, 99%.
In-match attendance could give another 15% to our preferred advantage onto attack, defence or possession. Non-attendance is simply giving attending opposition a 15% advantage.
What would a manager with the absolute winning mentality do? And what would an average manager who wishes to cut all corners do? Simple as that.
6) Game bugs and issues
As a manager myself, I am as equally angry with the bug today, as shown by my complaints in the bug/issue section.
But I would not confuse the association matchday bug that logged everybody out to be the same as perceived bugs of game engine making us to lose a match.
A systemic bug which impacts the whole community in unable to log in for matches applies to everyone, in the way that no managers could play a match properly.
A perceived and unproven bug which a manager thinks the engine is inherited with which negatively influence a manager’s chance of winning a match.
Any manager with a bit of common sense would see the difference, so do not mix them up and treat them as equal to disguise the fact that losing matches is not the manager’s inability but the engine’s fault.
Long reply, because there are some so-called experienced managers are simply trying to use the years of playing factor to claim the game is biased against them.
Well it was a nice and very reasonable reply. Thank you. I appreciate you point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
As for my opinion - these thoughts are not taken from anywhere but are proved by screenshots from the game. Unfortunately I can't load them now as I'm writing from PC and playing the game on mobile (maybe tomorrow). But just one recent example - my last match I was playing with an order to attach from both flanks with arrows up on dl dr and aml amr. In the end in the report I see 65% attacks through center and some 15-20% for the flanks. Wanna more? The most interesting feature of the game is counter attacks. When you see your opponent plays attack or even hard attack you would actually chose defence with counter attacks BUT there will be no counter attacks from your side, not in a single match! just and opposite - your opponents will keep catching your team on counter attacks. Then you switch on attacking, switch off counter attacks and what a miracle - you team at once starts counter attacking. Well there are a lot of such examples.
But don't blame it on our laziness - soon you will see it yourself. The only thing I can offer you - wanna play a friendly match? I don't mind. You can just check how lazy me and my team is)))
Formations.can tell u about.was changing to any formation any tactic and still was winning.had poor morale,not rested still winning,my player topscorer not letting any one to come near even,last 3 seasons never changed tactic or formation and lost only 2 games which was not making impact in standings,clinched league with strong teams way before season ended.3 seasons same teams couldnt beat me till this season.this season played static and lost only 3games and every game you are loosing team plays better but something happens.and again never chaged tactics even loosing 2goals leaving same and comes win or draw .im not playing very long just over two years but gavrilin told straitgh to point.and he is absolutely right.can see in these forums more believers than real players so no point to talk.and another thing nothing means you are active or not.its only game but in every game you want to be something you could make impact.in this game this has gone.
For example.one season i tried to help to win a league to my friend(i had no chance) and was last game he was 2 points behind opponent so he needed a win.i put my reserve players in wrong position opened defence my team was 66% his 120% and he couldnt beat me.game finished draw.just showed that he was not let to win.
im curious, are OP view same as the others view? example OP playing "almost regular" team, while maybe the others playing with "almost or maybe mutant/red player" team, because that could make a big, huge difference point of view.
With your quoted example, it is difficult to deduce why that happens, but I can have a guess (because I nearly play a different formation every match for most 51 matches a season, probably 45 different pre-match ones at least, with lots of them tailor-made counters to attack opponent’s weakest player, flank, area and certain space, hence know a bit more about positioning).Quote:
Originally Posted by a.gavrilin
In general, if we put our passing focus to 1-flank, that flank’s attacking arrow will be around 55-60%; both flanks then it would be 40% on each flank with the middle 20%; playing middle would usually have 60% middle, with 20% on each flank. This is general, assuming that we use symmetrical formations with most players at default positions.
However, when we put 4 or even 5 players onto 1 of our flanks and attack via that 1 flank only (eg. 3-1-4-1L/R-1, with DMC at DL region & ST at AML region, so effectively a 5-man-overlapping flank attack), match stats may show a 65 to even 70% attacking arrow on the left flank, and that is a direct reflection of average players positioning and their actual attacking threat. Same applies when we play a 3n-4-1-2 via middle with ML & MR at MC region, middle arrow will show 80%+ attacks there, simply because all players do move central with formation and order setting, and then player positioning dictates it further.
If the above is understood, I can confidently say that some players of yours, such as MC & ST are placed very central to have affected the % of play negatively onto the flanks. If all MCs are moved to ML & MR regions, all ST(s) move to AML & AMR regions, then the flank attacking % will be enhanced positively for a pre-set both flanks attacks. And my guess is you may have used mixed passing, instead of both flanks, so the players’ own form will further dictate where most play goes, instead of enforced order to flanks only.
And then comes to point of counter attacking. Other managers would call that risky, but I turn on CA for 80% of matches and so I may have slightly more experience with counter attacks than others. CA-on function simply means as it states: our team DMC or defenders will be willing to risk keeping hold of safe possession turnover upon successful defensive moves, such as tackling and pass interception, for an increased chance of launching counter attacks (eg. In animations, when defenders opt not to launch counter attacks, he will pass the possession gained to a teammate, typically sideway or back-pass, just to hold possession; when CA is on, there will be an increase of chances that an immediate long [cross-field] pass will be made upon gained possession, followed by team moves leading to a shot on goal, which could be a goal, save or miss).
And obviously it does not stop there. When our team has a significant quality advantage over opposition, our huge advantage in possession means opposition could hardly get hold of the ball, let alone deep into our half, hence using CA against very weak opposition is a waste of extra conditions no matter what mentality we choose; when our team faces a slightly weaker opponent (eg, opponent attacker whites of around 120%, and our defenders whites around 150%), then CA will be very useful when we turn our mentality to hard attacking plus long pass when it seems to be a silly move. Very hard attacking in such quality difference scenario would not only push our attackers to score more via riskier moves, but also purposefully losing long passes to be intercepted by our opponents who are just good enough to get the possession turnover and then do not possess the required attacking whites to threaten our defenders, and then our defenders expectedly get back the possession turnover to launch a counter attack for another goal. Needless to say, we can only play this kind of strategy when we already have fully analysed opposition threat (so it will be a counter goal to us, but not a possession turnover to opponent leading to goal against). This scenario will still happen with CA off, but just more frequently with CA on. And it goes without saying that this also is a very good strategy to get a 1-0 win when frontline and midfielders simply would not score via direct open play or set pieces.
All about of use with a combination of quality difference, mentality, passing type and if it is a suitable situation to apply it.
So, all in all, animations could both initiate our change of orders (eg. when 2 long passes are intercepted by opposition in first half, we should change to short), substitution (certain attacker missing all easy chances via animations), identification of opposition orders (press, pass & direction types) and also be a reflection of our orders (CA moves). Personally, I am more than genuinely happy if opposition treats animation as useless when they would have missed important signals and information which could have prompted in-match changes to benefit their teams.
More than welcome to play friendlies and test it out there :)
No offense to you @a.gavrilin but some of your statements suggest, that in your mind you are still playing TE 2017, where the skills were always the deciding factor and you could beat 50% stronger teams easily with your 300% white goalkeeper training players.
I am also a top of the server player and I can say that the game has changed a lot over the last 2 or 3 years. And you need to adapt to those things to remain successful. If you complain about losing with your 110% well-trained team vs some very high % guy, who bought all his players in the youth academy or whatever, I can just don't see anything wrong with that in todays engine. It is what the game has become, like it or not...
In the end everyone of us has his own experience and strategies to play the game and has developed a feeling for what things are working and what may not be important. For example reading opponents tactics from the animations - not important for me. I am a text mode player and still won a lot of titles in the last few seasons. Pressing the bonus during a live match also not important, I rarely do that. Formations very important for me.
HeavensAAA has other opinions on these things and I respect that, if it works for him. If you feel stuck in the game and it makes you feel unhappy, it might be time to quit. I had stages in my "career" in TE where I felt the same.
Well this is actually what I'm telling - you just repeated my point of view. That previously the game was much of a tactics with 1-2 random results during the season. But now it changed a lot. And I don't like this change because now the results are based on I don't know what principles. Somehow it even seems to me that Nordeus itself has lost control over the engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Let's go to PM and arrange a match there so not to flood the topicQuote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
Welcome minvis,Quote:
Originally Posted by minvis80
You will find many questions with this game but it can be fun for a while at least. The biggest problem is greed by Nordeus, they are constantly scheming to take players money and when that fails they simply steal their assets. I have filed several complaints but customer service is non existent. A few players have found success in the game and I wish them well but this will be my last season as the corruption from Nordeus is too much.
Well, no news from HeavensAAA ((( Unfortunately
Apologies for any delays in replies as I have been occupied at work while trying my best to help with asso recruitment, review and communications for the past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by a.gavrilin
check you pmQuote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
I still keep waitingQuote:
Originally Posted by HeavensAAA
Yes, got your message earlier but could not reply yet with any firm time for friendlies for now. Maybe after first week of FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by a.gavrilin
As already replied earlier, I have been extremely busy with association recruitment reviews with teammates and had to reply ASAP to applicants with time running out before draw is taking place in an hour or so (you can easily check my regular updates in the association section to confirm it). It is obvious that it is of utmost importance to get back to managers on decisions within a very short period of time to allow all parties to get on with association needs before the draw, so I would concentrate on doing what is right, if that make sense.
This is all a big scam, taking down stupid people. The server directs the matches in advance to determine the final result. For example, the server accidentally broke down in the 62nd minute of the match with a 3: 1 lead. I restarted, but clicked on the end result. 3: 2. I went to the match quickly, it was 81 minutes. The ending is interestingly 3: 2. How is that possible? So that the whole "peasant blindness."
This is all a big scam, taking down stupid people. The server directs the matches in advance to determine the final result. For example, the server accidentally broke down in the 62nd minute of the match with a 3: 1 lead. I restarted, but clicked on the end result. 3: 2. I went to the match quickly, it was 81 minutes. The ending is interestingly 3: 2. How is that possible? So that the whole "peasant blindness."
Results are not predetermined. If you make tactical changes during the game, you will see you can change the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jani0608
After three seasons this is the most important thing I noticed about the changes in tactics.
I tried them all during a game. Of course it also depends on my opponent but ... the most visible action is to put 'ON' on the defense pressing.
My team's mentality is often play with an attacking ones, and rarely with a pressing on defense. When I am dominated, I switch my defense to pressing ON and I gain 10-15% more on the progress bar. Every time I do this it is the same story...
Yesterday I lost 2-0 after 30 min against a weaker opponent (less than 15%). As soon as i've change my defense"s strategy i scored two goals (in 5 minutes ! ) even if the opponent got a red card after that...
Almost every match you can predict,you can see when a goal will be,about 70% of atacks are similar,you can see on your players rating then nordeus will make you loose(and no tactics change or substitutions will help),you know that you will loose even you playing better but you can see how your best players in 100% atack for goal misses(like players 6-7 seasons in a row getting topscorers award)you can see then playing against money maker for them how players ratings going criticaly down,like very high white skills player supposed to be magnificent but now players from team which uses personal trainer will perform much better than your well trained player.and for example i opened new account for referral tasks(think was level3 league) never trained,no games attending,no bonuses was not active at all and team won league with no losses and cup.thats and questions coming how it could be.and when simply answering for yourself.nordeus takes over matches because i dont know how to explain different.
When you buy players, you train them and they become stronger, the team becomes stronger, then next season you meet stronger rivals.
When you don't buy or train, you meet bots next season.
I would also believe that most of the results are predetermined. One may say, when losing 4-0 and making a single change with passes from mixed to short you are able to score 5 goals in 10 last minutes and you can be proud of yourself saying you are a supermanager and made a right choice. At the same time talking from my experience there are so many matches when you lose 4-0 and don't move a single player but then score 5 during the last minutes. And you understand that the results are known in advance.
Also there are so many matches when you make a sub in the first half, you see the new player on the pitch during the animations but then the actual sub is announced on the 85th minute. Or which is better, you have a player with yellow card, you see he performs badly and can get red, you make a sub and the new player at the same position gets red card in 5 minutes after the substitution. And then you know it had to happen