Convinced me to spend 0 and I mean 0 dollars for anything! They are greedy a holes. I only play 100 pct free now.
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Convinced me to spend 0 and I mean 0 dollars for anything! They are greedy a holes. I only play 100 pct free now.
Same thing here. I was ready to boost my team, but it was no single use after I saw the league draw.
no monthly card anymore, dont even looks a videos
I used to look video.. but already 2 month NO video available in AndroidQuote:
Originally Posted by drazen vtc
I give up the league just train and not looking for the machtches how fit the players are...
No change against the giants in my league
Too bad Khris is so silent, specially after the last update. I'm sure he can explain why all this is good for the game and for the players. If I recall correctly, not long ago he even said that we should stick around because good things would come.
Trust me, no good things will come with these greedy bastards! The real changes we need will never come. Never mind this stupid pairing system, we all get stuck on that but what we are failing to understand is that fairness of team pairings in any competition would become automatic if:Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
1 set up the leagues like Association, promote to the top league as in the top category of Asso. promote the first 4 in the league only. relegation for the last 4 and the rest stay until they are promoted or relegated.
2 get rid of the 20% loss of quality.
3 reward systems should be tokens per game won in every competition but they should be at least 5 tokens per game won. end of season or competitions (all) should get similar rewards as in Asso. If you arrive 1 you get 20 tokens, 2 15, 3, 10, 4 5 same with boosters.
4 Implement a feature where a player gets a player of the game and gets on fire morale for the next game in that competition. Players should not lose morale if they score more than 7.5 in a game if they get 8 to 10 they go up one morale level.
5 Daily Sponor tokens should be increased every season just like the money is increased. It has been forever since they have not given a token increase if ever,
6 Teamplay drills should not be random if you are buying them. Managers should have the choice to choose the drills they need if they are paying they should be able to choose.
7 Tactics need to be improved where we should have more choices in tactics. These are now antiquated and have become virtually ineffective. Arrows do not work well and tactics are simplistic and inadequate to properly manage the team during the game. The computer is slow to implement in-game changes and often does not. This is because the AI simulator is not calibrated to the coach's orders but rather overrides them to obtain the result it wants to determine regardless. The computer needs to be less autonomous and allow the manager to have more control over the tactics of the team, New tactics should include s
1 split pressing in other words we should be able to order pressing high for the midfield and attackers and or order man-on-man marking of a determined player, double team a strong attacker for example, The GK regardless of having a playstyle or not we should have an order where we can order the GK to exit the goalline and come it to anticipate on corner or crosses in the box. We should be able to order all this and change it at will.
This would create a computer that is more reactive to the manager's tactics rather than leaving the entire interpretation to the computer.
I realize these are drastic changes but if they are not implemented this game will never be good for us who play it and it just will continue to be too expensive to play. All these managers that are so impressed with where they have been placed this season let me know how happy you will be next one.
The new matchmaking update hasn't been released to all managers so for now we had a partially launched update, so, to test it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
For all my 3 teams, all from different servers and very different levels, the update has been released. And it is horrible, I cannot say less. The league is no longer interesting. This deleted the fundaments of the game and therefore I decided to quit after 8 years of successful management.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
Why, if you can explain better it would help...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
Have you even read this forum the last days? I hate quoting myself, but if you insist…Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
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Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
This should be adjusted, as it is not what's intended, precisely the update comes to fix these unfair pairings by creating equality from the season start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
So I would wait a bit because it needs testing and adjustment, if thats your situation then the situation still the same in your case, with not fair pairings due a lack of opponents availability...
Nordeus should not ‘test’ their functionality in the real world, with their valuable, paying customers. You really treat me like ****. I cannot give you my time and money, when in return you just take away the possibility to enjoy the game by giving me totally unfair league draws.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
If this is testing... why every season with my new team level 22 because Facebook blocked my old account has for the first time ever not got draw...Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
I give up already before start.. and I play including my old team, around at least 10 years!
Come on guys, this game is BS all the way around, I am with our colleague it's time to quit this crap show. They will never and I mean never do anything to truly benefit us. They are greedy thieves and as such they will always act. Nothing will change, I posted in a reply the changes that need to be employed. If they truly want to benefit our playing pleasure. The game right now, is already updated and some of the updates are HORRIBLE! As we saw the playstyle boos point were increased and not a little to boost the same level playstyle as last year I have to get 300 to 400 points more than last year. They gave us 2 fewer hot shots on top of it, so more pints are needed and they gave us 2 fewer shots. Last season between the 4 and the 2 from special sponsor I had 6 shots. This is BS it does not matter what they do with the league pairing if they screw us on everything else. Enough is enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by maloukees
Come on guys, this game is BS all the way around, I am with our colleague it's time to quit this crap show. They will never and I mean never do anything to truly benefit us. They are greedy thieves and as such they will always act. Nothing will change, I posted in a reply the changes that need to be employed. If they truly want to benefit our playing pleasure. The game right now, is already updated and some of the updates are HORRIBLE! As we saw the playstyle boos point were increased and not a little to boost the same level playstyle as last year I have to get 300 to 400 points more than last year. They gave us 2 fewer hot shots on top of it, so more pints are needed and they gave us 2 fewer shots. Last season between the 4 and the 2 from special sponsor I had 6 shots. This is BS it does not matter what they do with the league pairing if they screw us on everything else. Enough is enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
To me it's shocking to see khris admit that Nordeus are doing tests while allowing people to waste money on the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
But the real question is : are they doing this because they can or they are forced to do this?
I almost think just to tank... play cup and events.. and for the rest forget the league no change to win anyway... and if needed also forget the FA..
I hope it get better, but If this s the test it would maybe a sign it is like this to be
I feel you, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by maloukees
For now I'm trying the best I can with my three teams. Two of them can probably finish at a decent place, mainly because other teams are tanking. One team may not even finish top-8 even if I try. So tanking is definitely in place here.
I made my decision not to invest anything in the game for now. So not but anything that costs real money. Not spend the 3,000 tokens I have in store. Not even power train my teams with the greens I have saved from videos, since it will not bring me any trophies this season.
If this situation lasts longer, I must conclude that this game is not interesting any more. And then I will quit for good.
Die Frage ist: für wen sind die Sachen gut? Question is: good things for who? Surely not the playersQuote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
Perhaps it might be quicker if you explained the benefits of the "update" Khris, given that the poster has quit the game - that would seem more sensible than asking a question of somebody who can't hear you - and then everybody can take your view into account before leaving themselves
i think khris get tired figthing with windmils, he is smart enough to see where this all going but (his) reason he still try to convince all others that it is good way, but, maybe he look himself in the mirror and say- man what are you doing, it is bs
With all these nosense they are making nowdays maybe they are going to sell company?
they sell it to zynga year agoQuote:
Originally Posted by tomu741
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Originally Posted by Liam Strong
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Originally Posted by WizPT
I guess the test is needed for stability reasons, it should last a single season and we the mods always requested the admins to test every single update so to prevent dramas. The update has the target to provide fair pairings between equal quality teams and this will be done by expanding the availability of opponents by ending with the server limitations to create competition fixtures/pairings.Quote:
Originally Posted by drazen vtc
Thats the info we got so knowing whats planned, and I already wrote that it may seem a simple update, this "simple technical improvement" can resolve the main dramas we all've been complaining about.
Ofc I guess that those who follow me a bit, and Ive been here posting for 10 years, know that Ive my own version and idea about what could be IMO the best TE version from my viewpoint, but dont forget guys that we the forum mods and this includes me too, we are regular players who are connected by own will, and because its a need in any community, with the game admins to bring the feedback in general terms, try to help managers in some particular cases, improve the community experience when we have time -many of you know we've been doing contests and competitions some tine ago, still for personal reasons by my side Ive not so much time to administrate activities despite I would enjoy it as always- and by my side Ive sent always my own feedback which I usually share publicly by posting my thoughts and the own monthly reports here or in the Official Managers Association where I ask often for feedback.
Dont forget that certain roles are needed,so.
"The update has the target to provide fair pairings between equal quality teams and this will be done by expanding the availability of opponents by ending with the server limitations to create competition fixtures/pairings."
Let me say it was a big failure!!!
I've never had an unfair draws like this month. My team was 115% at the beginning of the season and I've got 150+ opponents in each competition (league, cup and champions league).
Season ended at 3rd day for me.
Because I guess, your team had no impact from it. It may not be on the affected servers. My bet is that this should'nt happen once its fully launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by maurizio2208
It would be necessary an admins post so to clarify certain affirmations and points more accurately tho'... We all need it as players.
Dear Khris, you are totally wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
Let me explain my situation. For the last like 10 season all my teams were paired against the same teams. League, cup, CL. Every season, more or less the same teams. Which was totally fine, because the quality of these teams was about equal it was fun to play.
This season I’m still paired with these teams for the cup and CL. However, in the league I see 13 completely new teams. The quality ranges from 70% until 190% (maybe a it was a bit less at the season start). My team is somewhere in the middle. Not a single chance to finish top-3.
Both parts of this story hold for my 3 teams, all at very different levels and from different servers.
I conclude that this new league pairing is the update you wrote about. The pairings get less equal from this update. Not more equal.
If only one of my teams got an unfair draw, I would give you the benefit of the doubt. But with 3 out of 3 I must conclude that this update is a big failure.
So basically all this update is going to do is expand the team pool? How will that fix the major problem that top11 has right now of managers hiding their best players in the last day of the season or using a couple of 1 star players to massively lower their quality % and ending the season with 100% wins making it boring for everyone except 1 player?Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
This is also my question!!Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
This is the bit that confuses me - how do you "hide" players?
Ok so, hiding players by taking the best players and placing them in the reserves and subs putting the weaker players in your starting lineup. The problem with that is that for that to work one must play the last game with the worst players and that does not work well if you need to play the last game for a place in the league. If you have nothing to lose then play with the worst team and leave the best players in reserve. When you do this it is usually, not always going to place you in an easier league because the computer I guess only calculates the AVQ of the team in the starting lineup. This is an error that needs to be corrected or else people will just keep doing this and always have a stronger team in a weaker league. It usually works but sometimes it does not. I never knew until recently and I will admit it, I tried it, why not? If this game tries to screw you at every turn then we must do what we can to bypass their crap. The backfire though is that since more people do this they end up in the same league with you and then you still have to compete against even stronger teams than yours. So there is no perfect fix to this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Strong
I don't think that works. The algorithm uses your best 14 players in the squad, doesn't matter if they're on the starting lineup or bench, to get an average quality % (not the same as team average quality). This variable is used to place you in a league with teams that have a similar number.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARCO CAIA
To lower the AQ% what some players do is use the academy coaches cards in the last day of the season. When you use a card the player will be out of the squad, so if you use a 24h card on your best players in the last day of the season, your AQ% will be lower when top11 is preparing the new season. This is why you see teams going from 100% to >150% in a couple of hours in the first day of the season. This is why you see teams not losing a single match the whole season. This is why khris suddenly became so silent.
I'm not 100% certain but I don't think the academy is available on the last day of the season but even if it was, the resources you would burn through would be astronomical!I'd have thought those resources could be better employed elsewhere because your best and more experienced players don't get a huge benefit from academy training. I take your point though - its probably a good way to "hide" a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
Best 14 players is what it used to be. They changed that months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
Also the academy is unavailable in the last days of the season. You cannot have players in the academy at season start. They changed that months ago,
Are you still playing the game? And did you pay any attention?
Yeah we reported the issue with the academy coaches and it was fixed 3-4 seasons ago if I'm right... so, we could name the current methods to 'hidde AvQ'.. and the most famous and invasive right now it may be the impact from the negative %'s... in this aspect we reported the matter, my personal suggestion is a solution to balance the teams, so deactivate the appropiate bonus if a line has a 1*-3* players in the line, so a 59% player placed as MC would deactivate possession bonus, and so on... or basically convert the full squad trainings in a way to push negatives in a hard way to reach the positive % as soon as its posible... then we have negotiations where many guys use the boosters from 3-4-5 accounts to do upselling so to get negative %s and here it may need a restriction or, by paying a fee that would increase every time a player is moved thru negos... like, 1st move, 3T, 2nd time you sell same player, 10T.. ...then 25... 50 or etc or, a restriction per Max. skill so if a player has 300% in any skill, it should not allow the transfer. Just suggesting tho'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido van den Berg
I beg to differ, it works because I have tried it and it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT
Managers get most of the Academy Coaches cards from the Draw Frenzy, so no, you don't have to waste a lot of resources. You can easily find posts talking about this. Right now you can even buy a 10 day card with 66 rest and 45 morale boosters which is not a lot considering that it will help you buy a title and you won't need to waste them for a whole season. For a long period this was how many players cheated, if it stopped working, as some are saying, I can't confirm right now but I can guarantee it worked not so long ago and was one of the reasons that made many players quit the game.
Placing the best players as subs and reserves used to work YEARS ago but eventually they changed to the system that I described because everyone and their mother was using that "cheat". If they changed it back I don't know because I haven't tried it, but tbh i don't see why would they do it since it makes it easier to mask your real AQ%.
So the answer is no, you did not pay attention. So why do you bother to post this bs anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by WizPT