Calling on experts that can beat 20% stronger teams

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OK so, I'm calling on those who post in here saying 10% plus teams are beatable. OK tell me how to apply your magic to this game. thanks

I do not usually screenshot my matches.
But, this game just happened after I had seen Marco's post.

Ive given some of my ideas in another thread.
This is to prove that they work.

Well trained, high white skills, key players in key positions, right tactics...


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And Ive managed to find these...

Won the Lanterns Event and easily beat an Association opponent at the same level...

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I have beaten teams that were almost 50% stronger on paper.


Basics

Activate sharpness.
Push to the highest possible morale.
Combined with full rest.

For very important games, accumulate event bonuses like "on fire status".



About playstyles


Some believe that playistylesdo not change the outcome of a game.
I believe that is not the case at the moment.

Why else would there be hot-shot-boosters?
So pumping up here can't hurt either.


Lineup



Then it's about the lineup.

You can experiment with the Tactical Analysis Tool that can be found here on this forum.

With it, you can work on a counter-formation database.
Increase efficiency with Excel-macros.


Or you do it completely manually.

My current approach:



Dividing the field into zones



I have divided the field into five zones in length and three zones in width:

DC, DMC, MC, AMC, ST.
Left, middle, right.



Researching the attributes of the rivaling top eleven



Then I go into the detailed player statistics for important matches.


So far, it has proven useful to multiply all white skills of the relevant position.
For simplicity, I multiply each by 100 at the end.
So if the opponent has two DCs with a value of 200, he has "400 DC Middle".

One strong player for every position to free up space

Because with a 100%+ player, the total value increases very strong after some point,
it might be worth having exactly one very strong player for each position.

You could counter this 400 DC Middle with two strikers or just one striker.
If you have a 400 striker, you need one man less here.
You can then use him elsewhere, for balance or as a "libero".

I look at where the opponent is superior to me and vice versa.
The goal is to be superior to him in more positions.

The positions also include the section dimensions DC, ... ST; left, middle, right.
I usually give those more weight than individual player positions.


Either you put together the best possible opponent team yourself and use this for preparation.
Or you speculate that the opponent will remain inactive in the lineup.
Then you use his current one.


Know about "secret positions"


Note that the longitudinal rows are fixed, but not the width rows.
Wingbacks can stand in the DMC area.
Central outsides can stand in the DMC or AMC areas.
Wing-attackers can stand in the ST area.


Note that you can use wingbacks to strengthen "DC Middle".
To do this, place the DL in the rectangle´s lower left corner, arrow backwards.

I think WD is the most underestimated position.


If the opponent is stronger than me and I can't beat the opponent's defense,
I tend to leave him overpositions in the DC level, as these are relatively harmless.


Wide formations (passing´s another chapter) superior to centered ones, center reinforced from the wings



In addition, it currently seems opportune to counter centered formations with stretched formations.
So a 3DC defense for example with AML, ST, AMR.

Try around.


Sometimes it is so unbalanced that you cannot cover the opponent's attack.
Then try to simply form an even more critical attack yourself.

Sometimes you are inferior on one side.

Try to get an equally big advantage elsewhere.


Preferably always so that you dominate 3 of the longitudinal and 2 of the transverse rows.


In completely hopeless situations, occupy all uncovered positions or do something extreme.

If you have ST-ST-AMR, the opponent's DL won't matter much.


Indivdual training sessions linked to a specific match


Based on this approach, you can also carry out individual training sessions.

You see for example that the opponent is only superior on AMC (300 to 270).
Then you can try to bring your DMC to 300+.


Consoder the whole thing


Sometimes you are far superior in one position.
Consider the whole thing.
If your DL is far superior to the AMR, but the DC has a deficit, this binds the DL.
Especially if you don't plan to play on the left side.



Opponent´s previous games and your assignments


Look at previous games of the opponent. To find out if he has a preference.

To win such games, pass scheme and formation must harmonize.
Don’t forget to choose the captain according to your game plan and check the assignments.

The captain is preferably in a free or clearly superior position.
Either he is the playmaker or the target player.
In very defensive scenarios, you can also define the goalkeeper or a DC as captain.



Advanced calculations for enthusiasts


I even have calculation methods to set offside, counter, pressing, etc.
Even then, the player attributes are needed.


Currently, I do high pressing, tackling, man-marking and counter only when clearly superior.

Because most of the time, the analysis here was not worth it.



Have a game plan and react in-game



Instead, I watch the game. If two to three counter opportunities were missed, I activate counter.
If there occurred one or two offsides in my favor, I activate offside.



"Even-out" weaknesses via the in-game-bonuses



With the bonuses, you can even-out weaknesses in your team.


For example, it may be worthwhile to take the blue bonus whilst having a blue deficite


Pass rate and possession


If I don’t have a clear pass strategy, I sometimes watch the pass rate.
If it or possession is lower than the opponent’s, you can shorten passes.

Conversely, you can dare to hit longer passes.



Use 2D view


I use the 2D view for important games, because then it runs smoother with the sub menue.

Having a plan B and C is fine.


Lastly, in tight matches, I have had good experiences with strengthening the defense via substitutions after 1-2 leading goals.



The magic of the last 15'



If clearly inferior and behind, start strong attacks from minute 70-75.
At eye level, from minute 70-75, increase pressing and possibly increase marking.


A GK worth gold



For opponents at eye level or stronger, when in the lead, tackle hard.
BUT YOU NEED A SUPER GOALKEEPER TO DEFUSE FREE KICKS.



If you have ordered to play over the left, but the team still plays strongly on the right, try to intensify that.

I also successfully applied countering the opponent on his attacking flank for a while.



Use event bonuses at the right time


Last but not least, there are always events.
E.g. Proving-Ground-Boosts etc.
I also suspect that younger players of the same rating are better than older ones





You see, to beat teams that appear clearly stronger, effort is taken.

Copilot-assisted translation.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Jones

And Ive managed to find these...

Won the Lanterns Event and easily beat an Association opponent at the same level...

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yes, I can find screenshots of the results too but that won't help me in obtaining the result. I wish you could see the internal skills of my team and the preparation that is always at max in addition to boosted playstyles. The issue is, it is not impossible to beat stronger teams but it's very improbable and more rare than not. Kenny I do not wish to get into too many debates with you. I do not need generic advice, the advice you gave is obvious and generic, and simply quite often it results in a defeat with a team 10% stronger and greater. Besides this team was only not even a 1% difference, not 10 or better. In addition, you cannot define results in real competitions in this game by the results obtainable in special events. The team at 143% is a static team and often in these events, they are much more easily beatable than teams of that caliber in say a CL or Cup final or any game of that matter. I have also beaten much stronger teams in these events but then if you take a real team not static one, of the same % you will get your butt kicked.

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Originally Posted by Wingaradijastoc

I have beaten teams that were almost 50% stronger on paper.


Basics

Activate sharpness.
Push to the highest possible morale.
Combined with full rest.

For very important games, accumulate event bonuses like "on fire status".



About playstyles


Some believe that playistylesdo not change the outcome of a game.
I believe that is not the case at the moment.

Why else would there be hot-shot-boosters?
So pumping up here can't hurt either.


Lineup



Then it's about the lineup.

You can experiment with the Tactical Analysis Tool that can be found here on this forum.

With it, you can work on a counter-formation database.
Increase efficiency with Excel-macros.


Or you do it completely manually.

My current approach:



Dividing the field into zones



I have divided the field into five zones in length and three zones in width:

DC, DMC, MC, AMC, ST.
Left, middle, right.



Researching the attributes of the rivaling top eleven



Then I go into the detailed player statistics for important matches.


So far, it has proven useful to multiply all white skills of the relevant position.
For simplicity, I multiply each by 100 at the end.
So if the opponent has two DCs with a value of 200, he has "400 DC Middle".

One strong player for every position to free up space

Because with a 100%+ player, the total value increases very strong after some point,
it might be worth having exactly one very strong player for each position.

You could counter this 400 DC Middle with two strikers or just one striker.
If you have a 400 striker, you need one man less here.
You can then use him elsewhere, for balance or as a "libero".

I look at where the opponent is superior to me and vice versa.
The goal is to be superior to him in more positions.

The positions also include the section dimensions DC, ... ST; left, middle, right.
I usually give those more weight than individual player positions.


Either you put together the best possible opponent team yourself and use this for preparation.
Or you speculate that the opponent will remain inactive in the lineup.
Then you use his current one.


Know about "secret positions"


Note that the longitudinal rows are fixed, but not the width rows.
Wingbacks can stand in the DMC area.
Central outsides can stand in the DMC or AMC areas.
Wing-attackers can stand in the ST area.


Note that you can use wingbacks to strengthen "DC Middle".
To do this, place the DL in the rectangle´s lower left corner, arrow backwards.

I think WD is the most underestimated position.


If the opponent is stronger than me and I can't beat the opponent's defense,
I tend to leave him overpositions in the DC level, as these are relatively harmless.


Wide formations (passing´s another chapter) superior to centered ones, center reinforced from the wings



In addition, it currently seems opportune to counter centered formations with stretched formations.
So a 3DC defense for example with AML, ST, AMR.

Try around.


Sometimes it is so unbalanced that you cannot cover the opponent's attack.
Then try to simply form an even more critical attack yourself.

Sometimes you are inferior on one side.

Try to get an equally big advantage elsewhere.


Preferably always so that you dominate 3 of the longitudinal and 2 of the transverse rows.


In completely hopeless situations, occupy all uncovered positions or do something extreme.

If you have ST-ST-AMR, the opponent's DL won't matter much.


Indivdual training sessions linked to a specific match


Based on this approach, you can also carry out individual training sessions.

You see for example that the opponent is only superior on AMC (300 to 270).
Then you can try to bring your DMC to 300+.


Consoder the whole thing


Sometimes you are far superior in one position.
Consider the whole thing.
If your DL is far superior to the AMR, but the DC has a deficit, this binds the DL.
Especially if you don't plan to play on the left side.



Opponent´s previous games and your assignments


Look at previous games of the opponent. To find out if he has a preference.

To win such games, pass scheme and formation must harmonize.
Don’t forget to choose the captain according to your game plan and check the assignments.

The captain is preferably in a free or clearly superior position.
Either he is the playmaker or the target player.
In very defensive scenarios, you can also define the goalkeeper or a DC as captain.



Advanced calculations for enthusiasts


I even have calculation methods to set offside, counter, pressing, etc.
Even then, the player attributes are needed.


Currently, I do high pressing, tackling, man-marking and counter only when clearly superior.

Because most of the time, the analysis here was not worth it.



Have a game plan and react in-game



Instead, I watch the game. If two to three counter opportunities were missed, I activate counter.
If there occurred one or two offsides in my favor, I activate offside.



"Even-out" weaknesses via the in-game-bonuses



With the bonuses, you can even-out weaknesses in your team.


For example, it may be worthwhile to take the blue bonus whilst having a blue deficite


Pass rate and possession


If I don’t have a clear pass strategy, I sometimes watch the pass rate.
If it or possession is lower than the opponent’s, you can shorten passes.

Conversely, you can dare to hit longer passes.



Use 2D view


I use the 2D view for important games, because then it runs smoother with the sub menue.

Having a plan B and C is fine.


Lastly, in tight matches, I have had good experiences with strengthening the defense via substitutions after 1-2 leading goals.



The magic of the last 15'



If clearly inferior and behind, start strong attacks from minute 70-75.
At eye level, from minute 70-75, increase pressing and possibly increase marking.


A GK worth gold



For opponents at eye level or stronger, when in the lead, tackle hard.
BUT YOU NEED A SUPER GOALKEEPER TO DEFUSE FREE KICKS.



If you have ordered to play over the left, but the team still plays strongly on the right, try to intensify that.

I also successfully applied countering the opponent on his attacking flank for a while.



Use event bonuses at the right time


Last but not least, there are always events.
E.g. Proving-Ground-Boosts etc.
I also suspect that younger players of the same rating are better than older ones





You see, to beat teams that appear clearly stronger, effort is taken.

Copilot-assisted translation.

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I approved the post but please try to keep text a bit more united lol :cool:

This is all fine and dandee but honestly no matter what you do it's extremely difficult almost improbable to beat a team 15% or more higher than yours. Thus is another kick down the road can. Look I use all if not all most of these precautions but I can tell you we are deluding ourselves thinking we can beat a superior opponent. Have we forgotten that after we have done all that we are still at the mercy of the computer? The simulator cannot and will not be convinced to give us the win unless it wan5s to. I'm telling you this game is all programmedto give the outcomes it wants to give. What we do can't sway it or if it does its because it let's us. Sorry but you will nit convince me otherwise it has to be this way. Another reason why we win when predestined to win.

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Originally Posted by MARCO CAIA

This is all fine and dandee but honestly no matter what you do it's extremely difficult almost improbable to beat a team 15% or more higher than yours. Thus is another kick down the road can. Look I use all if not all most of these precautions but I can tell you we are deluding ourselves thinking we can beat a superior opponent. Have we forgotten that after we have done all that we are still at the mercy of the computer? The simulator cannot and will not be convinced to give us the win unless it wan5s to. I'm telling you this game is all programmedto give the outcomes it wants to give. What we do can't sway it or if it does its because it let's us. Sorry but you will nit convince me otherwise it has to be this way. Another reason why we win when predestined to win.

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In this case why are you play this game?

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

In this case why are you play this game?

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that is correct, and this is why you must refer to my previous post where I said I am no longer playing it after this season. Plus I have so much fun getting replies like yours that I cannot help myself

this post is ridiculous. We all know these things and at least I do most of them and I never, ever, beat a team 50% stronger, never mind that I never beat a team 20% stronger. The best result I had was a draw against a team 20% stronger. This guy beats teams stronger than him because he probably uses formations like the one I will be playing in the CL semifinals, It's 82.4% but has a lot of players at one star and three stars while others are 200+ 160% etc. These people should be disqualified from playing

his post is ridiculous. We all know these things and at least I do most of them and I never, ever, beat a team 50% stronger, never mind that I never beat a team 20% stronger. The best result I had was a draw against a team 20% stronger. This guy beats teams stronger than him because he probably uses formations like the one I will be playing in the CL semifinals, It's 82.4% but has a lot of players at one star and three stars while others are 200+ 160% etc. These people should be disqualified from playing

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Originally Posted by MARCO CAIA

that is correct, and this is why you must refer to my previous post where I said I am no longer playing it after this season. Plus I have so much fun getting replies like yours that I cannot help myself

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Really? I also enjoy reading your posts and I am sad to see that you leave us :(

playing at "peasant" level, not a bad event for 7* AMR and 60Token.

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That is an excellent post Wingaradijastoc.

Another player who has found that investing time into the game brings rewards.

Got another example of beating a higher % team...
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Or easily beating a team at the same level...
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Man! LUFC_MOT

How many resources have you got?

Thats over £600 in tokens and green packs!

Why do you not use them?

You guys are really amusing

Never said by the way that it's impossible to beat a much stronger team I'm simply stating that it's very improbable to do so. It has never happened to me quite honestly I so.ewhat resent the comments made here that I xant do it because I'm somehow not playing the game right or I don't know what I'm doing. I have read about all the things suggested to me and I've been doing most if not all of them. The issue with beating a much stronger team un reality has little maybe nothing to do with all we have been talking about doing. The problem is the law of averages that 8 times maybe 9 times out of ten will appoint the W to the stronger team. I have often punished a 1 to 2 % stronger team. It's extremely rare though especially in a big game that a much weaker team wins agains a much stronger one. That's why forgive me for getting upset when I go in a final against a 15 yo 20 or morestronger team and get upset. It's because I know that even if o show up with my best and prepared team according to Top Eleven I'll probably lose.

I can't find the fast trainer to spend on, then i stop looking.

Just a suggestion for NORDEUS, make fast trainer available on youth academy or scout. i am willing to pay
300 Token for a 3* 18yo FT with random playstyle and empty sa
50 Token for a 5* 18yo FT with random playstyle

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Originally Posted by LUFC_MOT

I can't find the fast trainer to spend on, then i stop looking.

Just a suggestion for NORDEUS, make fast trainer available on youth academy or scout. i am willing to pay
300 Token for a 3* 18yo FT with random playstyle and empty sa
50 Token for a 5* 18yo FT with random playstyle

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did you see the post this is? what does this have to do with what we were talking about here? Plus this is exactly what the problem with this game is. You are all too eager to spend hundreds of tokens and even real money obviously to get the tokens and resources to do so. You are inevitably feeding the greed of this machine and enabling it to punish all who want to play somewhat free. The only way they will change anything is if we stop allowing them to charge all this money and high token prices by curtailing the spending within the game itself. Those who either by gambling addiction or simply can afford it are ruining the game. If they did not get people to buy their high-priced stuff they would either have to lower their prices or give more free resources and rely on the ads more.

Man, you cant stop them to do so :).
About this post:
Instead of writing basic info or default screenshots with i won someone really could share their way point of how they win against 20% teams.
Really, to win against 20% is very hard. I rearly win against them too. Best thing that work for me is - to choose formation with lower numbers in attack like 5-3-2 or 4-1-4-1 and go hard defending + counter attacks...

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There are my wins vs stronger teams this season. My team have not 1-2-3-4 stars players in starting line.

Of course I'm not going to lecture you on how this is possible. Just be smart and understand the game.

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Man, you cant stop them to do so :).
About this post:
Instead of writing basic info or default screenshots with i won someone really could share their way point of how they win against 20% teams.
Really, to win against 20% is very hard. I rearly win against them too. Best thing that work for me is - to choose formation with lower numbers in attack like 5-3-2 or 4-1-4-1 and go hard defending + counter attacks...

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Exactly right! That is my point exactly everyone is good at putting screenshots but no one tells you how they did it. You get a long post like the one on the previous page telling you a bunch of stuff to do, which I already pretty much do with not much of a great result in beating much stronger teams. The thing is what does the opposing team look like? I have, not much, but I have beaten stronger teams but why? Because the opposing team although stronger in quality lacked in special abilities and playstyles for example. I have beaten a stronger team that had no playstyles and one special ability per player and some did not have any. Was our team all on fire morale? How were those stronger teams prepared? were all their players at superb and on fire morale and at 99% rest? We cannot know any of that info because we cannot see the level of preparation of the opposing team of course, there can be a difference in that respect that allows you to beat a stronger team. However, If I had to encounter, as I did, a team that is 20% plus all players have playstyles, many of them are boosted and every player has two special abilities, guess what? I got killed. In that case, there is no way you can win, UNLESS, for some crazy reason, the computer decides to give you the win. One time I won 1-0 against a team much stronger and I got so ticked off that I put all my players in different positions, I must have shocked the computer. It depends, however, as I said before, it is not that I never won against a stronger team. Never against a team 20% plus stronger but I did win some, the issue is not that, it's that you finally get in a final of some type and you are confronted with an opponent 25% 30% stronger and of course 9 times out of ten you will lose it, there is no way possible so that pisses you off because of the unfairness of the situation. You go into this game already knowing that you have a 1% chance of winning it. However, yes what do they do to be able to win so often against much stronger opponents? Not giving me the all the stories of team preparation because all that I do?

works for low level
compact super low block , give opponent all the possesion they want, overload on center and force opponent wide.
not many goals, but get the job done.

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All the fa in chronological order, final score 78pts. It's not all rose and sunshine, in "football", sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Never heard my opponent complaining.

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All the fa in chronological order, final score 78pts. It's not all rose and sunshine, in "football", sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Never heard my opponent complaining.

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are these in the association matches? Because of that I often won against stronger teams. You cannot compare the wins in FA with win and losses in other competitions. The game play in FA is totally different than in league or others. So...yes, I agree, but give me screen shots of all that the teams you beat in league, CL, SC and cup. I bet you it is not as many as FA, it's a false comaprison

Hard defending/man to man/offside trap only in top eleven :D.