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Usually, in a manager bidding, when I make a new offer, the countdown is set to 60 seconds, for the fist time and after to 30 second.
In the last times I have lost a lots of players because another manager updated the offer without countdown reset. In this way it is impossible to update my offer.
How is it possible? Which rules drive the bidding?
The countdown doesn't reset after an offer. The countdown resets after the end of the round.
After the initial round:
- the first knockout round lasts 60 secs;
- the second lasts 30 secs;
- the third lasts 20 secs;
- others last 20 secs.
When a knockout round ends:
- if there were no bidders in the current round (Quailfied for next round) the Leader from the previous round wins;
- if there was only 1 bidder in the current round (Quailfied for next round) that bidder wins.
- if there were 2 or more bidders in the current round (Quailfied for next round) it moves into an additional round.
Whether you make a bid/offer 2 secs after the start or 1 sec before the end the countdown is the same.
The only way you can be sure you don't lose after the current round ends is if you bid in the current round.
Different people use different strategies at different times: sniping, early bids, an early bid to set up a snipe, multiple bids, late bid (leader) then no bid, etc
I make to you an example.
I am in the bid against another manager. I usually make the offer at the last second. In this way the counter restart from 60/30/20 secs (it depends from the bid stage). In the last times, when the other manager make the counter doesn't restart and in this way the bid is closed even if I have other token and money to make the next offer.
In my opinion someone use tricks to stop the counter, but I consider it not correct.
the counter doesn't restart by the way you bid the last second but ONLY the last round has more than 1 bidder (in this case: the other manager and you)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
when it restart, you didn't bid, the other bid SO there is ONLY ONE BIDDER in this round, you LOST
yes, the time in bidding rounds are fixed, they can't be changed (not by bidding) it is a countdown. A window to put in your bid. The same window for all qualified bidders.
Every one who bids in the round qualify for next round and so on, very simpel actually:rolleyes:
Buffs: explained it very good some posts back I bellive :D
It seems you don't get it.
You can watch some video tutorials, very useful.
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...al-series.html
"without countdown reset. "
Maybe I can understand here that:
initial round you and another put a token, then
1st round the other manager can put the token but you can not see the time or so?.,....
Im not sure about your problem really xDD
I try to explain it "better".
I'm in a bid, I make one offer when the countdown is finishing (one second at the end). In this way the countdown will restart to 60/30/20 secs (it depends from the bid tournament).
My competitor manager make his offer at the end of the countdown (one second to the end), but the countdown it will not restart and the bid is closed. My competitor manager win.
Today I have lost several bid (and token) in this way. Really.
and you 'll loose more because you didn't understand how it is working.Quote:
Today I have lost several bid (and token) in this way. Really.
As I can understand, you don't participate in the next round :)
1 bid in every round - how more simple than this :o
Replied to your PM with answer but for clarity I'll repeat it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
The bidding enterred a new round after your bid because both you and he had made a bid in the same round.
Your bid did not reset the counter. The counter went to zero - but because 2 people bid in the same round the auction goes to a new round and the timer starts.
In your case the new round started.
You did not bid. He did bid. He wins.
Ok. Please erase "reset the counter" words..... I made a mistake.
I describe what happened today. For example: me and you in the tranfer tournament.
First round, you make the offer and me, too. I make it at the last second so , in this way, the counter restart: 60 seconds.
You make another offer and I make another offer at the last second. The counter restar: 30 seconds.
You make another offer at the last second. The counter doesn't restart. You win the bid.
Yes, thats what should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
I win almost all of my contested bids (Where anyone else bids, although rare given that I only target the most expensive fast trainers) in the exact fashion you describe.
Most players seem to think that if it is green and the countdown is down to 1/2 seconds they have it won. They do not realize that them bidding last in the previous round does not save them.
Example:
3 players bid in the opening period.
First knockout round starts and I bid early.
One other player bids in the last 5 seconds (somehow thinking it matters that they bid last???)
2nd knockout round begins and I sit and watch the countdown.
I wait until 2 seconds is about to become 1 and then hit bid.
They never bid thinking I walked away or they were safe because it was still green.
I win
If I find myself in the situation of being the leader entering a round I bid early. It costs an extra token sometimes as it is possible nobody else was going to bid but it protects me from being jumped like that and if they do bid it sets them up for me to poach them the next round.
If I try to poach someone twice and they are also bidding I will almost never keep going very long. I have to be really damn sure I want the player (He would have to be a really expensive nordgen and/or at a position of need and if only the latter he would have to show a proven track record of good form).
What level are you? You have to be very very lucky to get someone cheap at higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Grizzle
This thread has given me the urge to vent about a couple little things that the vast majority of lower lvl players seem to think in regards to transfers.
I really want to clear them up even though it will not help me any and could in theory hurt me.
1. If you do not bid in any given round you are in danger of losing the player. The color means only that you are the last bidder at that moment and would win should nobody else bid.
2. STOP, for the love of god, bidding twice or more in a single round. You are accomplishing nothing but raising the cost of the player.
3. If someone else has bid in the current round it does not do you any good to wait til the last second to bid. There is no round in which the last bidder wins regardless of number of bidders. You can only win by being the only bidder in a round. What it does do is irritate the person who was about to win the player and in my case assure you that you will never win said player at any cost.
Why not let token buyers waste their money, it amuses me every time they frow their tokens in the bin. I say let them bid as many times each round that they want, lean back an steady spend 1 token each round :rolleyes: try summing their total waste of tokens, its quite the sport;)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Grizzle
don't worry, your real competitors already got it ;)Quote:
I really want to clear them up even though it will not help me any and could in theory hurt me.
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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Very true. To answer the earlier question I am only now at lvl 4 but I am under no illusion that it stays this way but at least to this point the bidding stays in the 50-75% of the top valued players. The top 25% are almost never bid on. At level 4 most teams are worth maybe a total of $15M-$20M, I am talking about players worth $6M-$7.5M each. Me being alone to collect them is why my team is worth over $105M somewhere, I haven't checked recently.
hah that is less than my worst player :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by David Grizzle
sorry for that :o
[QUOTE=Gert Funck;335315]hah that is less than my worst player :rolleyes:
Ya, you can only move as fast as the game goes. I am winning trophies and promoting every season.
Also this game seems to have a massive over reach at the higher levels. I would much prefer the growth in player value from lvl to lvl be much smaller and top out at a realistic range with only a handful of players at the absolute top level being worth 100M+ as it really is.
Same thing with the stadium. 200k seats is just stupid. I imagine it will be this that might ultimately make me quit. Once it becomes too hard to believe the lie....... I am into immersion so..... Meh
If they demonstrate their stock of tokens well before the end of the initial round, I will laugh (at them). Probably I will still participate the auction in last minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert Funck
But if they do this in the last minute, this will scare off me. A 35T manager have no power to compete with them.
[QUOTE=David Grizzle;335325]I agree this is not realistic. I believe the system developer did not consider this in very beginning but increase values of everything as there are managers to promote in each season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert Funck
After you continue to promote every season for about a year, you will notice that values of players will no longer grow a lot in every season. The stadium capacity will also be capped at 260,000. But the life may not be good at that time.
Ok, but....... why the counter doesn't restart if you have made the last offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Grizzle
The counter restarts if there is more than one bidder, NO MATTER when they bid. If only one he wins. Take some time and read this post carefull. It is explayned in details nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
Gert, I have read all the posts, but nobody was able to give to me an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert Funck
For example: I'm in the knockout round 3, with another manager. I make a bid at the last second and then the counter restart to 20 seconds. We pass, in this way, at the round 4. The other manager make a bid at the last second, the counter doesn't restart. In this way I haven't the possibility to make another bid.
That I want underline is: why the counter doesn't work at the same way for all the manager and for all the knockout rounds. I don't know why.
You did not bid in the last round, and therefore you lostQuote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
(you should have made you bid in round 4 you had 20 seconds)
the counter works the same way for all.
You have to make a bid in every single round, its just that simple
you are misunderstanding. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
;) I try to explain:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert Funck
knockout round 3. My last second bid. I'm the first bidder. Ok? But the counter restarts anyway. In this way we pass in knockout round 4 and the other manager can make his bid. The other manager make his bid and THE COUNTER DOESN'T RESTART.
In my opiniom if the counter restarts at the end of the knockout round 3 after my bid, it must restarts, at the same way, after the knockout round 4 after the other manager bid. Because, in this way, the other manager has the opportunity to make another bit. But I don't.
In my opinion, for equal competition, the tranfer must work in this way: knockout round 3, my last second bid -> counter restart (20s)-> knockout round 4 -> other manager last second bid -> counter restart (20s) -> knockout round 5 -> etc, ect until it will remain only one bidder.
I hope to be clear.
after this I give up...:rolleyes:
You have to make a bid in every single round - its just that simple
(what number 1.st or 20.th in round doesn't matter)
it's your OPINION not the game RULES. and about your way, what happen if there's more than 2 bidder ? the real cost (nordeus profit) is BID and TOKEN not the cost in game $Quote:
Originally Posted by Saulle Mattei
in your case :
in the round 3, YOU AREN'T the 1ST bidder , you are the 2nd one.
if you was the 1st and the only one (like your opponent in the round 4), you should won in round 3. there is no 4th round
You're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by tongly45
In the round 3 I'm the 1st bidder (because i make the highest bid at the last second) but the counter restarts and it starts the round 4.
You must forget this 'resetting' and stop looking at the countdown and think about Rounds. The Auction holds round after round after round of bidding until only 1 person bids or no-one bids IN THE CURRENT ROUND.
The answer to your problem is in my first response - you just don't see it because you are focussed on 'resetting' - as if you think that when 1 person bids the other is given a timed chance to respond - it doesn't work like that.
EDIT: All the replies here have given you the rules the Auctions follow and further attempted explanations - if you think you understand those rules and your auctions are not following them then you need to raise the issue with Nordeus support - I'd advise you to include pictures. ;)
I have understood. Thank for your pacience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffs Mad
I'm not interested in to contact Nordeus because, after 7 seasons, I have understood the game rules and minds. I don't like it.
Many many thanks
yes, Angry birds, Fruit ninja and others, are more amusing, less frustrating and with no cheaters ;)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
....wins who pay more passing the rounds, that simple mate...
initial round, you pay, he pay 1T both
1st round, you pay, he pay 2T both
2nd roooound, he papapay and you don't, time finishes he 3T you 2T no more rounds and he won coz you did not pay to go to 3rd round with him.
I think what happened there is that you AND the other bidder both bid at the last second, yours was the 2nd one accepted and thus you were the leader but the next round starts because there was still two bidders.
This happens a lot with me because I snipe and quite often both myself and the other bidder will hit at the last second and then it starts over.
But you do not get always get a chance to respond to a bid. Some games, like fifa always reset a new 30 seconds if someone bids so everyone has a chance to bid again.
This game works totally different and it is very simple. The only way the counter resets is if at least 2 people bid in a given round. If less than 2 people bid in any round the auction ends.
Look at the history of bids while you are in auction. You can always see that the other guy bid in the round.
I like this thread so much I'm copying it over to Tutorials. :D
I've just read through all this and I can only sum it up in this way:
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oh them newbes
so many tokens are just wasted away, makes me kindda sad :rolleyes:
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