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First leg CL semi final got outplayed and lost...
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Is my 4-5-1 V not good enough to counter this hardcore attacking formation? Should I keep on with it or change to different formation like a 4-5-1 flat with all wingers motivated or anything ???
remove AML and AMC , play with 2 MC , 1 AMC and 2 Strikers , 1000 % sure you will beat him in next game
Sadly, I dont own any amc. any formation suggestions regarding my current roster?Quote:
Originally Posted by kullehh
3N-3W-2-1-1
Defensive formation
like i said my friend, no amc available :/Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
Try get one for one token if you can. Having all positions is good as you can play with any formationQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyros
If not then play 3N-3W-1-2W-1
played this formation and beat him 3-0 away easily
played 4-1-4-1
with LM (up) and AMR
sure my full backs, DMC had (up) too
counter , flanks, long
why using AMC when he is weaker at flanks .. attack flanks like i didQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyros
beat home and away comfortably
You lost 2-1 away, that's an advantage. You have 49% possession despite he has 5% advatantage of possession at home. How are you being outplayed? Just by looking at the information you provided I can tell his team has slight quality overall better than you and he's more confident than you since he's taking the attack approach. your formation is nothing wrong but gives you no advantage. You basically went for man for man in every part of the pitch. He has 5 attackers vs 5 of your defenders and you had 3 attackers vs 3 defenders. only difference is when he attacks he can dribble shoot or pass to the left and right while you run to the byline to cross or cut inside, he has more options than you. you don't need an AMC or whatever. Use your strongest quality and attack him. either use another mc to control midfield, or use 2 St to give more attack, don't believe that bs you need a DMC because he has AMC, if you follow all that basically you always on the defensive mode. sure you might worry and think you are outnumbered in defense but at the same time you outnumber him on his side of the pitch. To be safe play with 2 DMC and sacrifice either aml or amr after you score. If you follow those rules of man for man marking defense against this
St St St
AMC AMC AMC
Mc
DL. DC. Dr
My guess is you play this
Dr dc DC DL
DMC DMC DMC
Mc mc
St
Or opting for an AMC instead of mc? The ball will be down your pitch most of the time buddy
I agree with this formation except that you can choose to go with 2 strikers instead of the AMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
Another possibility is to go with 3N-3W-3W-1, and play down the flanks.
He has 2 MCs and 3 DCs, you should be going at him hard down the flanks. AMR/AML are very important to have if you dont play the natural 4-4-2 and they give you so much more in terms of flexibility of formations. If you had them, you would pwn him
3W are dml /dmc /dmr ? Could use that but it seems too much defensive. Another problem I face is that my dml and dmr have even less quality, few games played and average performance 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
4-1-4-1 is a formation that fits my team as I favor it a lot.... can you be a more specific concerning match instructions(passing,mentality) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
I am very strong at wings, this is what Im after with a proper formation!Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
My team overall quality is at 5 stars (51) while his at 4 stars (46,6) but his starting eleven quality almost match mine. He is slightly inferior but plays very offensive...Quote:
Originally Posted by fmldotcom
I am most worried about game engine tricks, 2 away goals would finish me off. I am looking for a formation to dominate attack while at same time have minimum risks at my defense.
You may check my signature to get a glimpse at my arsenal.
You mostly played 1ST why you have 2 sub ST? Same with having 3 mc as subs. Should trade them for sub mr/amr and AMC. Good team though! Anyways, if you are better quality why you play defense? Why always 10 players on your end of the field? (5 of his and 5 of yours). If I were you I put silva back in defense instead of pique because not only you have aerial powers overall back 4 is better. Put kaka in to dictate midfield, keep everything same. If mascherano can be healthy then put robbed as AMC and play asymmetric formation with 4-1-2(mc + ml)-2(AMC+amr)-1.
Btw why you name players in unnatural positions?
The original formation of the English is not even 4-4-2, what is natural?Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
I never said i played 1 leg with defensive mentality.. it was attacking with normal passing...Quote:
if you are better quality why you play defense?
I would too, if only he wasnt in such bad form. His stats atm are like 5-6-6-7-5.Quote:
If I were you I put silva back in defense instead of pique because not only you have aerial powers overall back 4 is better
REALLY??? Does it really matter what the formation of the English is in real life in relation to this game? I could give a toss about real life football when I play this game because this is a game engine and can only simulate possible results based on the information of your team and your opponents team. The point of this game is to out-think your opponent and win. Or is it to give all your money to Nordeus? Im confused about that one...Quote:
Originally Posted by fmldotcom
Anyways, 4-4-2 is the natural/typical/popular formation of this game. It is the most balanced and most people win everything with this formation. You say you play a 4-1-4-1, which is a 4-4-2 with a sweeper/DMC at the cost of a striker, which also could be viewed as a 4-5-1, also a very natural/popular formation in real football.
More importantly, your situation: you can think all you want on this, you can toss out all the advice we give you, but at the end of the day you have to decide if our advice is relevant to your situation. I have seen many good suggestions and you seem to not like any of the answers. I would forget about being too defensive or worry about his players quality and just go with a strong defensive formation that will exploit his weakness, which is a lack of defense.
-----ST---ST-----
-----------------
-----MC---MC-------
-DML---DMC---DMR-
----DC--DC--DC----
good luck
You said natural I just ask you what natural is because the inventor of the game don't play 4-4-2 in the beginning and they don't play that now. In this game I barely see any ppl play 4-4-2 and they certainly don't win everything except July because his team is nuts. ask around, mostly there's only 1 or 2 teams per league plays 4-4-2 and not all of them leading. I agree with you it's one of the most balanced formations though.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
As for your 3-3-2-2 formation i knew some1 will recommend this because they believe the DML/DMR will block the arm/aml and DMC block his AMC. How you exploit his lack of defense with 2st against 3 DC? You going more defensive not to mention you don't even take time to look at his team before you give your 2 cents. His DMR is very weak and he only has 1 good ST.
4-1-4-1 is not 4-4-2 with a sweeper/DMC because DMC is not sweeper. Sweeper would fit in 1-4-4-1 with the sweeper playing lowest of defense not midfield. 4-1-4-1 is also not 4-5-1 they are similar but not the same. It's not popular in real life only used for defensive teams with lower quality. Teams like Liverpool, Chelsea or arsenal play 4-5-1 but all different formation. Arsenal more like 4-3-2-1 with cazorla as AMC and Walcott as amr. Liverpool is more like 4-2-3-1 and Chelsea is like 4-5-1 V.
He has bad form playing in defense or midfield? 6 is acceptable. 7 is good, 8 is excellent, 9 is amazing. 5 is unacceptable but look back to those games and see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros
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Originally Posted by fmldotcom
As this game will not allow the a player to be placed between the goalie and defense, then DMC is the only close thing. It is as close as you can get to a 5th defenseman without playing 5 at the back.
Liverpool plays 4-3-3, as does Barca. You can call it 4-5-1 if you want but at the end of the day you are being a bit too picky. As a Liverpool fan, and I'm hardcore as I watch EVERY game, I think you need to watch more Liverpool games to tell me that they play 4-5-1.
Get Brendan Rodgers to call me and tell me he plays 4-5-1 and then I will believe you. Otherwise, I will go with what I see and what the commentators tell me. Sorry, I just have to laugh when I hear someone tell me how my own team(liverpool) plays. With Rafa as gaffer and Torres on the team, they played a 4-5-1. He was always screaming for true wingers and tried to convert Kuyt and could never find a consistent left winger to play his formation properly. Meh, I'm just happy that Rodgers has them playing a very exciting offensive formation and the players are buying into it.
I think what you should be saying is that 4-3-3 can quickly transform into 4-5-1 and vice-versa to accommodate an offensive or defensive need, depending on the opponent.
Normally I see 3 DC's have their hands full with 2 ST unless there is a DMC available for extra cover. Since your opponent does not have a DMC, it is a slight advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by fmldotcom
You have a choice: play offensive and risk letting in goals, or play defensive and hope for a 1-0 game. I would prefer the 1-0 game at home. But thats just me. Whatever you choose, I wish you luck
Thank you all for your answers.
Best solution so far for me to break his formation and take advantage of my arsenal seems to be 4-1-4-1 with four wingers motivated up, attacking mentality, long passing!
what do you think?
4-4-2 offside trap
offside trap doesnt work with am's I am afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by thon
As of moment the sturling, 17 year old kid is a winger not a forward. Before the Kop got sturridge Suarez was the only St. I don't want to watch more Liverpool games because I like Tuesdays and Wednesdays not Thursdays Chanel 5...wait...they got knocked out because living legend caragher displayed great defensive skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
another hater...nice....well i just watched ManUre just get knocked out. Seems only one team can win every year and every other team gets knocked out. Funny how that works mate! Carra aint perfect but hes won a few trophies.
I ve made up my mind, will play with 1 mc like you suggest and we ll see what happens. Its just another match after all, you guys were right, I was worried too much :PQuote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
Hahaha, c'mon it's fun!!! I don't have problems with liverpool, I liked them and made money off them against AC Milan back them, i love Gerrard, now I like Suarez. For me the rival was Arsenal back then but I like them too. I don't hate any teams but it's just fun to talk crap. Relax buddy, I believe next year your team will be good, couple more key signings you'll be back in Europe. What I don't get is Liverpool play so good against top teams every time yet they fail to see off the underdogs...Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
so itsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyros
DC DC DC
DMR DMC DML
MC
AMR AML
ST
This is what you going for? I really hope you win and all but Park is 3 star, if Mascherano is not injured any more you better off with
DR DC DC DL
DMC
MC ML
AMR AMC
ST
Not only you can fill all your top players you can attack front and flanks giving you more option.