Experiment: Sub' the GK

We need a thread to experiment what happens when we see a match with a "superb GK" .. could we overcome these scenarios where seems that, the oppo GK -by being superb continously meanwhile there's a differance -(stamina differance really...- comparing with our GK...- , will decide the match against us?

Could we, detect these almost "predetermined/fixed scenarios" and turn then by doing a substitution of our own GK?

this is the experiment I invite you to do, if someone try this and have a feedback, please share.
If you can find any other formula that works for you to turn the balance, we must share it here too lol

I saw some managers do that (changing GK with low rate at the begining of game), didn't help a lot.

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Originally Posted by MNK Kaskada

I saw some managers do that (changing GK with low rate at the begining of game), didn't help a lot.

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Remember that the plan isn't exactly pay attention to our Gk "rating" specifically... but to these scenarios where the oppo gk is doing a superb performance... the idea is that despite the rating of our gk, if we face this specific scenario that tend to stuck our score thanks to the oppo performance, and usually ends with a 0-1... "maybe" and just maybe, we can turn this specific tendence by doing a sub' of GK.... then the data.... Gk vs Gk could change... xD

Well, I'm not 100% sure that it's true ,but I have seen it many times.

When a gk get a 9 or a mtm the next match he will get 6or 7 . If your team is equal or something like 10% difference that happens often. Im not talking about manipulating and having a super team when your opponents are -30%

Here is my gk. I have 130% team and my opponents are 50% sometimes. I saw it also in my 2past gk.
The legend, petr cech
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I 've done an experiment with GK sub few years ago
https://forum.topeleven.com/%CE%95%C...ix-result.html

helped me a lot to learn how the game works

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Originally Posted by milpol

Well, I'm not 100% sure that it's true ,but I have seen it many times.

When a gk get a 9 or a mtm the next match he will get 6or 7 . If your team is equal or something like 10% difference that happens often. Im not talking about manipulating and having a super team when your opponents are -30%

Here is my gk. I have 130% team and my opponents are 50% sometimes. I saw it also in my 2past gk.
The legend, petr cech
Watch the cup games https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3e99e047ea.jpg

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"When a gk get a 9 or a mtm the next match he will get 6or 7 ."

so this is related with the other experiment I tryed, the one about dynamic ratings and try to force a rating/performance increase in a particular match, after force a decrease.....

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"When a gk get a 9 or a mtm the next match he will get 6or 7 ."

so this is related with the other experiment I tryed, the one about dynamic ratings and try to force a rating/performance increase in a particular match, after force a decrease.....

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Is this "rating/performance forcing" related to the GK only or it applies on all positions?

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Originally Posted by dsio

Is this "rating/performance forcing" related to the GK only or it applies on all positions?

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I tried the experiment last season, before the Super League finale and the Super Cup finale, with success after force a rating decreasing, as the matches were fluid for me, and the SC finished in a 1-1 but I dominated in the live animation clearly and won in Pks, so, my theory, is that, all players work in the same way, as there are, the same type of players for all positions, so, the GKs with dynamic rating, should be influendiable too, as the other 10 players, still, I think that, the only role that a GK can not have is the one as "Key player"... I never had gk's with 9-10-10-10-9 or so....

So, resume, it applies to all positions, but, you have to know how to detect what kind of players, have this variability in the rating, meaning that, when there's a "increasing of ratio" they will have lost of chances, to be participative and maybe contributive and determinant in a match.

still... IMO forcing a rating decrease in the whole team, it should be more effective that selecting just few players... as the variable that forces the increasing have to be more visible and "forced to act"....

I see.

And how exactly do you force the increase/decrease in the rating?

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Originally Posted by dsio

I see.

And how exactly do you force the increase/decrease in the rating?

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Basically, the previous match, I checked the players that aleady got a low rating, and Ive saved them as reserves, so then they kept the low rating till the finale, and, I forced a loss using the players that, got a high rating, so I did this twice, before each match, and in my case I wasn't fighting for the league, just I ended 7th so, I could manage the situation to force the 2 loses, but at rome point one can do rotations to try to play a specific match using players with low rating.

Ofc. is interest5ing be sure that these players or many of them have this type of dynamic ratings usually, like 6-8-6-8-6 so then is when it could work better.

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This is what happened to me. A guy lost his match in Cup semifinal 7:1 and his next match was against me in CL 1/4 final. Before that I had 10 wins with a superb GD and then it's just turned around against me, no metter I had double more shoots the result was 2:4 home lost. Ofcourse my GK had a terible rating and his attackers scored every shoot. I wasn't able to change much with subs, I think it's just a team performance that is important not a few players. Form just was good for whole team and then suddendly drop down because opponent team ratings before our match were bad and it had to go up.

I guess it depends on both teams ratings before the match, and we can't be winning them all.

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Originally Posted by MNK Kaskada

This is what happened to me. A guy lost his match in Cup semifinal 7:1 and his next match was against me in CL 1/4 final. Before that I had 10 wins with a superb GD and then it's just turned around against me, no metter I had double more shoots the result was 2:4 home lost. Ofcourse my GK had a terible rating and his attackers scored every shoot. I wasn't able to change much with subs, I think it's just a team performance that is important not a few players. Form just was good for whole team and then suddendly drop down because opponent team ratings before our match were bad and it had to go up.

I guess it depends on both teams ratings before the match, and we can't be winning them all.

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The main issue now, is to try to learn if there's a solution when we detect these scenarios... like,

aggressive player in particular? -sub him.
a player misses his shoots constantly? sub him
fall in offside trap constantly? sub him..

so, this is the point now, our gk vs oppo gk, if oppo's one is superb and decide the match, can we revert that scenario doing a gk sub....¿? ...it have to exist a formula unless the key to unstuck the match is a sub or a particular change in the orders.... :/

I think subbing your gk kind of works if your starting gk is crashing. Of course I have no proof because I don't know what would have happened if I didn't sub him, but usually if I replace the gk as soon as he takes a long distance goal and/or his rating drops two times in a row or at about 6.0, the 2nd goalkeeper makes a decent performance and I can still win or at least get a draw.


Usually. Once my 2nd goalkeeper chrashed also. But when I never subbed the gk, there were those games that my gk ended up with a 4.5 conceding 3-4 goals. My impression is that subbing the gk in bad days helps.

In any case, I tend to sub anyone with a rating under 6.2-6.3, but if they are too many this means you are going to lose no matter what.

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This is what happened to me. A guy lost his match in Cup semifinal 7:1 and his next match was against me in CL 1/4 final. Before that I had 10 wins with a superb GD and then it's just turned around against me, no metter I had double more shoots the result was 2:4 home lost. Ofcourse my GK had a terible rating and his attackers scored every shoot. I wasn't able to change much with subs, I think it's just a team performance that is important not a few players. Form just was good for whole team and then suddendly drop down because opponent team ratings before our match were bad and it had to go up.

I guess it depends on both teams ratings before the match, and we can't be winning them all.

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In this kind of situation one option is to play your reserves. Depending how good your second team is it can be risky but it has worked for me before. As suggested by others, you have to be confident that you're about to get beaten. If you don't play with your high performing first team it does seem that it can counter the 'rebound effect' we're talking about here. You're essentially playing your rebound team against their rebound team.

For this approach to work you need to have a fairly good second team.

I've not tested this properly, but it's an approach that seems to have worked for me a few times.

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