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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
    How can you say it is 'not correct' and based on randomness from what you showed above? You based your conclusion only on one case where you compared the value of the 6-star player to the value of a 5-star 19 y.o player and a vaguely estimated expected value (60M); you did not even buy the player to test to see if he is near the same level of speed of progress as the player he was recommended to replace. What values (with respect to what level) you are making reference to when saying this player is a slow trainer? Wage value also must be considered. The ratio of the market value to the wage value is a better indication of the speed of progress a player has before he is bought. The DC/DMC and MC has no relation as such. Is or was the 20. y.o DC like the MC? You need to buy the DC/DMC and compare his speed of progress to the 20 y.o DC when that same DC was 19 y.o and had around the same % quality in the attributes that were trained (the average should be in the same star-level), then repeat this procedure for atleast another (different) case, and post all the results if your aim it to prove that what I posted was 'not correct'.

    The only thing that can be said from the above pictures you showed is that the MC might be a faster trainer than the DC (provided that ratio of value/wage is higher too, which cannot be verified from the pictures above). Keep into consideration that there are very fast trainers and those usually have the highest training factor (market value to wage ratio). Your 20 y.o DC might not be one (not all token-bought youth academy players are very fast trainers), but still is a fast trainer (if what you said about him about his speed of progress is correct) and the same is expected for the 19 y.o DC/DMC that was recommended as an improvement over him unless something has been changed recently.

    I can understand your point with the value comparison thing but go read from that post (https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...tml#post640043) and further on from that post in that same thread (https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...ainers-92.html). I bought some of those players, made tests and posted about them there.
    Wow you know less about the game than I was thinking. Sorry, then I will explain a bit further to you.
    The pictures above are values from Level 13. If you didn't know, the youth player who cost Token always is a faster trainer. With every year the player gets older, his market value decreases slightly, yet as DC Tackaert is 1 year older but also 25% worse in quality, he has, compared to the recommended player, only a slight less value, which is still reasonably higher than other 20 yo slow trainers of that quality. If I was to show you all of that, it would take me many pictures and I didn't want to put so much work into disproving your made-up theory without you backing it up here so far.

    Also I have value tables for fast trainers (18 yo) for every level between 1 and 69. For a level 13 player of the highest quality 99% in auctions the maximum value is around 67M. If you take into consideration that the offered player posesses the maximum quality, however is one year older, it should be slightly below, around 63M.
    With 52.1M it is very obvious that this player cannot be a fast trainer.

    One more information - wage also is completely irrelevant for determining a fast trainer. Wage always increases with quality increase, when buying a player. (So if you train, obviously not unless you then renew the contract)
    So if you know the market values of players, you don't need information on wage.

    PS: Your tests in that other thread are not representative, as you didn't show the skills of the player (GK) or in the first post also didn't show if the player you put in was a fast trainer or not as well. Also no comparison values to 1st class FT.
    Last edited by Der_Ryan_M; 12-28-2019 at 09:04 AM.