I see people on the boards using the term "fast trainers" with some frequency. What is that?
How can you tell that a player is a "fast trainer"?
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I see people on the boards using the term "fast trainers" with some frequency. What is that?
How can you tell that a player is a "fast trainer"?
Young players between 18 and 21 years old. They will have a higher market value than the exact same player who is a slower trainer. When you train them at high intensity, look for skill gains of around 60 (stretching) /100 (cardio) /140 (practice match).
So in the transfer window it's reflected in their value relative to peers. Thanks!
yes, that's a pretty good indicator. Also, the two players that you get through the academy.. The one that costs you 15-24 tokens will be a very fast trainer, the one that is free will be a very slow trainer.
Agreed...that coupled with power training (done correctly) will give you even more gain...Quote:
Originally Posted by magic3
Young players between 18 and 21 years old. They will have a higher market value than the exact same player who is a slower trainer.
u agreed me
Talking about token youth players, how fast are they going to train? As the player's price ranged up to 24 tokens, and is the cost of the player determines their training ability?
well, it compares to other players of its value. I had a 21 year old player that gains up to 50 on stretching and 180 on real match but costs 1.63M (note that this is already a big amout for me level 3) . But i bought a 18yo player with 3.2M and i thot wow that must be a super fast trainer but it turns out that he learnt things only a bit faster (185~190). So imo when high valued players should be fast trainers, it does not mean that the training ability is proportional to their value and their quality only.
hmm and im not a token buyer. i buy these trainers using half of my money and hope i can flip them for a profit so i could buy better players next season.
Usually these guys are 2 times the price of a normal player. So if 18 yo are normally 4.5-5mil then look for 9-10mil 18yo players.
When is the best time to buy these?
FIRST day of the season since the market is flooded with Nordeus generated youth 5* players
I received a token youth yesterday for the full 24 tokens. I managed to PT him to a new position before my 7pm League game. As a rough estimate, he gets 5x the number stated for average gain on each exercise when on hard training. So for a 4* token youth, that's 50/100/150.Quote:
Originally Posted by pnr8555
I received a token youth yesterday for the full 24 tokens. I managed to PT him to a new position before my 7pm League game. As a rough estimate, he gets 5x the number stated for average gain on each exercise when on hard training. So for a 4* token youth, that's 50/100/150.Quote:
Originally Posted by pnr8555
Going back to the position training, if you think about it I got him up by over 50 points in less than a day of power training. Do it regularly enough and you'll probably have a scout after 3/4 days.
Aw I didn't know about the player you get from the academy that he is a fast trainer. And I was wandering why he would cost 12 tokens! Sadly I missed many chances, but next time I might invest in him :)
They cost between 12 and 24T. Often they are fast trainers but it varies. I get them pretty often (12 days) with fully ungraded Academy and I try to buy the ones that I can use and haven't been disappointed, But then there are always bid wars for young good players on my server. On a couple Teams this season I have only one GK and leave a slot open to sign & (eventually) sell the freebie.
Don't confuse people with hard training numbers, not everyone is using hard training... If a 18-21 old player can reach 20% skill progress doing normal Stretching training, than it's fast trainer... Slow trainers (flops) can not reach 20% for Stretching, even if they are 1-star players...Quote:
Originally Posted by magic3
The formula is simple.... player value divided by player wage..... the higher the value the better fast trainer the player is.
If a player is 8M and wage 100K.... he is a very fast trainer compared to a 3M player with 100k wage....
Not true... I have a flop player in my team with higher value/wage number than fast trainer who got promoted with him from YA...Quote:
Originally Posted by mani8005
Flop Varela... 2.91M / 92K = 31.63
Fast trainer Semedo... 7.6M / 270K = 28.14
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Academy recruits skew the wage to MV factor - and after a certain point it has no impact on training rate. A high value player with a salary 35 times wage will train faster than one of 20x but a player with 60x will not train faster than one 45x just because of the higher factor. Imo you must rigorously stick to 'high value for Q' and an MV 30-40 times (roughly) the wage for normal players but take care your not looking at a 30x 'flop' academy training dud.
Btw did I say 'imo'. ;)
No steppenwolf....
Both hav a ratio of arnd 50....
Varela 2.91/53.... and semedo 7.6/150...
However, ST are by nature usually fast trainers.... they cant be compared to Midfielders...
The theory i suggested was learnt frm dis forum only.... and i hav found it useful as a thumb rule... thr could b exceptions though
It becomes harder to tell the higher the level, I've not used that kind of math to determine training speed, I usually just look for highest MV.
he rule of value/wage was my rule and is not a rule LOL
just is a form to compare who's better training looking that Value is increased when we train a player, and too always comparing players with same level of stars, in this case, can be useful. "cam be", for me sometimes the intuition is more useful.
position has nothing to do with fast trainers.Quote:
However, ST are by nature usually fast trainers.... they cant be compared to Midfielders...
yes, it's an indicator to recognize, it's not the reason why they are fast trainers.Quote:
the rule of value/wage was my rule and is not a rule LOL
that's true, because you must compare players with same quality lv f.e. 1st class nordgens have low V/W, specially after lv4, but they are (99%) the faster trainers. 1st class nodgen has 7.6M/270K, 2nd class has 5.1M/240K 3rd class 3.9/250K.Quote:
Not true... I have a flop player in my team with higher value/wage number than fast trainer who got promoted with him from YA...
Flop Varela... 2.91M / 92K = 31.63
Fast trainer Semedo... 7.6M / 270K = 28.14
Academy players (yours or from other team) are lottery. Usually 21T are fast trainers.
What is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Anyway to put it as simple as I can with my tired head, after watching this and the other HUGE topic, full of numbers and players we can say that.
1. 18 yo train faster than 20 yo?
2. Salary / wage gives us an estimation if a player will be a fast trainer?
3. Academy players are usually fast players (the one you have to get with tokens)
I can see these 3 rulings to be somewhat if not true, then at least they indicate a slight beam of truth in what I am saying.
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you are wrong , the player i got for free is very fast trainer but the player i buy with tokens is very slowQuote:
Originally Posted by magic3
Im agree with you!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoWilson
