I've now added a 4th picture to the Photobucket Link above
Its called Original Overvie (Tues)
You will see by this that 300 lesser loans had taken place prior to the current Overview Image
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I've now added a 4th picture to the Photobucket Link above
Its called Original Overvie (Tues)
You will see by this that 300 lesser loans had taken place prior to the current Overview Image
[QUOTE=nikolgiorgos;424182]hey Mikey, what's the rush ?
Yesterday you started this thread
http://forum.topeleven.com/associati...78-wanted.html
saying that you have a FA group U Craiova.
Then Baz started accusing you as a cheater.
You didn't reply for the next 3 hours.
Okay you couldn't be further away from the facts - Baz is my brother and its him who first bought this to my attention, as we're in the same association. SO where you've got your text from is beyond me. Tell me, what wouldnt I want them banned and why does it bother you? re-read it again maybe
I want this guy dealt with, is that such a problem
I have absolutely nothing to do with U Craivo Association, my initial post asked for members to join me as I was claiming to be part of that association - I certainly wasn't but this was the only way to bring the whole subject to peoples attention - my brother Baz had complained about them before but had nothing done whatsoever about it, not even a reply. And so I changed tactics to bring this association to peoples attention
I want a 10 second look at the images and his association, this will instantly prove to you that he is cheating when you take into account the 0 points on all members but also to the Overview Loans counts, which could never in a million years be over 3800
Hope I've cleared this up - sorry for the confusion
ah, ok
so this thread is "fake".
http://forum.topeleven.com/associati...78-wanted.html
Interesting :rolleyes:
I have absolutely nothing to do with U Craivo Association, my initial post asked for members to join me as I was claiming to be part of that association - I certainly wasn't but this was the only way to bring the whole subject to peoples attention - my brother Baz had complained about them before but had nothing done whatsoever about it, not even a reply. And so I changed tactics to bring this association to peoples attention
I want a 10 second look at the images and his association, this will instantly prove to you that he is cheating when you take into account the 0 points on all members but also to the Overview Loans counts, which could never in a million years be over 3800
Hope I've cleared this up - sorry for the confusion
Okay another member has literally just been added, check the top 100, number 1, this very moment
So now for all to see, a new member added to the association, whos founded (todays date) now watch the Loan Count go up in the next few days
Original Overvie (Tues) Photo by michael_chambers1 | Photobucket
Today we had the draws for associations,we have an strong opponent in semifinals but nothing extraordinary,in the other semifinal there is one association similar like this one on this thread but with "only" about 1300 loans,one 8* team and 4 new teams (their captain was new with about 40 loans already)
So I decided to send a ticket to support,with screen shots and everything and ask them if I'm allowed to do the same like ,from what I saw lately, many people are doing. ...this was the answer i got which, from what I understand it's ok to dohttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...65ee57f1c8.jpg
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So what you saying - what he or others are doing is correct?
I saw your Brother Complaining on Top Eleven Facebook page. I wonder when they are going to take action.
Yeah he told me about about initially it and had told me he'd esculated there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendaryForward
To be honest, I'm not banking on anything being done at all, even though the proof is there for all to see, but here we are, another weekend, so another association, meaning another weekend for a team to be cheated out of a victory. I'm just seeing now, 3939 Loans, so thats more in the last 24 hours -
well, that's not the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by madflo19
What must be the accusation is :
How this team have 8*-9* players ? Is he buying tokens or can do a lot of farming ?
Asc. tricks and loans is the evidence that he isn't doing anything above.
The problem of course is with that way, anyone can start a FA group with fake (and anonymous ;) ) google+ accounts but nordeus cannot search or prohibit that .
But they can see the Association has been manipulated by such stats
Also, you can't do loans when theres not an association taking place (mon-thurs) but this guy has somehow cracked it to ensure he can, my screenshots can prove this - so thats even more reason for a ban
Well ,in that case I will quit my association,I will start my own association with my main account and 4,5 new accounts,I will loan players to other teams and power train them with the free resources from those new accounts,that way I will have a team 8*-9* without buying a tokenQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Also,we must have in our mind that next season or someday maybe we will play against those teams in league, ch league or cup competition, why should I buy tokens when others can do it this way;
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Exactly - therefore Top 11 are losing out on profits of selling tokensQuote:
Originally Posted by madflo19
yep, but the problem it's not that specific case (or 1-2 more) but how they 'll find a way to ensure that it won't happen
but at the same point, not to take back some improvements- privileges we asked and got
like
- having a competition where we can play for fun and earning rewards too
- loan players can be healed from our group-mates
- can play the game without a fb account (google + )
There is a couple ways to identify this -Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
IP of the PC/Laptop/Device that is being used, in that if an IP has multiple accounts being accessed then should be flagged up straight away
Stop the Loans feature altogether, as thinking about it, whats to stop a strong person in an association, loaning the maximum number of his best players, throw his own game, but his association guys all win, as there squad % has overtaken their opponents due to incoming loans
Carefully monitor all active Associations and checking stats etc... and ensuring any player inactive for a period of time, is removed
Any new account made, can't join an Association until a specific level, such as 3+
Very good point here. I'd also add e-mail account to the tracking mechanism, if multiple accounts have the same e-mail address that would be evidence of all accounts belonging to the same player.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyPosh
I don't see a problem with this. If Association A's strongest team loans out there 8 best players, then Association B's top team can respond by doing the same. I don't see this unbalancing the game, since it can't spill over into the league/CL/cup as U Craiova's approach is doing. Association B would still have the edge, unless there top guy is selfish since he should still be able to secure 6 points and loan a few players to offset the loans in 1 or 2 matchups.Quote:
Stop the Loans feature altogether, as thinking about it, whats to stop a strong person in an association, loaning the maximum number of his best players, throw his own game, but his association guys all win, as there squad % has overtaken their opponents due to incoming loans
Would be nice to have a method for removing an inactive captain.Quote:
Carefully monitor all active Associations and checking stats etc... and ensuring any player inactive for a period of time, is removed
Agreed here.Quote:
Any new account made, can't join an Association until a specific level, such as 3+
I'm absolutely sick to death of it. I've put so much money into this game and now I've got to witness the most blatant manipulation possible via this Association. I'm not allowed to name teams or brand anyone a cheat yet I've witness it before my very eyes throughout last week by a certain team in the Association. I have 30 screenshots of new teams being formed to 'join' this Association in order to boost the captains players up after his training via the loaning system. I've been told that the number of loans in overview doesn't prove that an Association is cheating - Rubbish!!! Every team in the World Top 100 has loans of between 0 and 400 in the overview - bar one. This is the very team that I have many screenshots of - of new players being added, then discarded hours later, of the captains own personal figures being manipulated as he 'leaves' the Association and then rejoins - to obviously avoid suspicion of his own personal number of loans made. Want to know this Association's overview loan count? Over 4,000!!!!! And given all the information that I've just given you and the screenshots that I have - I'm not allowed to brand him/them as cheats! It's pathetic
Why does it bother me so much? Because I play in the Association and I've payed money to build my team up and one weekend, I could play a team like this - that's blatantly manipulated the game via the loaning system. That's why it bothers me. And it bugs me so much that no one in Support can see it!! They must do. Surely they can track all activity of that Association but it's as if a blind eye is being turned for whatever reason because so many people have notified them about it. They need to simply see that 4,000 loans figure for starters to set the alarm bells ringing. I don't get it! I really don't.
And let me point this out - no other team in that Top 100 of the world Association is doing this. They're all playing fair which makes that 4,000 loan figure even more disgraceful - especially to the integrity of Top Eleven. I give up
Everything you've said Baz is 100% spot on, but here we are, 5 days on from this first coming to light, in actual fact, over 2 weeks since this post was first started, and the Association in question continue to do what they do best and their captain, who by the way, seems to have changed his tactics now - he's now building the most most recent teams in the association which are currently Scout Rating
But it doesn't seem to matter what we write, how many times we say it, and no matter how much proof of screenshots we have, T11 and the Admins continue to let this slide and do nothing about it, which begs 1 final question -
Why?
Why are T11 not doing anything about this when the proof is there staring them straight in the face
It appears there's clearly more to this than meets the eye in respect of T11 seemingly refusing to take any action against this specific association in question. No doubt they'll be the odd statement made from a Mod/Admin aka (worker for T11) claiming, these things take time and we can just ban them blah blah blah
Ok so the Association in question is back on top as number 1, with now no fewer than 4241 loans, still no action has been taken which brings me back to a statement made earlier on in this thread - why are T11 not doing anything, and are they aware of this already, and are involved, as any normal gaming admin team would view the evidence for itself and get rid of this Association
So my conclusion on this subject - T11 are in on it, they persistent refusal to do anything about this proves the case, no matter how long something might take, or how long you need to investigate - its all rubbish - and makes a mockery of the Association
I urge the rest of you to boycott playing it, as slowly and surely more and more Associations will do the same, probably also connected with T11
This is the association on first place in the world:
Attachment 72186
Do you see the points?
Check that associations overview, and tell me, do you see the loans?
Even my own Associations final opponents have a strange reading on the number of loans taking place between the teams, its a joke
Facing an association in the finals this weekend that definitely seem to be up to this. Think they take turns to leave their FA and join a support association where their players are boosted with Rest from support teams. None of the members have any history in their association before this weekend, and their FA has played about 15 tournaments. All members have some very very Rest expensive players.
It's not fun to face them. :( Have anyone reported any cheating FAs? What have the response been?
yes, someQuote:
Have anyone reported any cheating FAs?
they got 1 token for reward.Quote:
What have the response been?
You can do that too :p
So its deemed illegal to exploit the loan system in Associations?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
This have me so angry as player and I am waiting for a official answer from admins side really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Svanberg
Yes its been reported a number of times, and T11 give a token for your feedback, which appears to come over as 'hush' money, as they will not do anything about it, despite evidence staring them clear in the face. Associations are a joker, as is T11 for refusing to do anything, 1 month on now from when this thread started, and all we see now, is that more and more Associations are doing it
Yeah, reading the license agreement, its quite obvious that this is not allowed. We all agree to not exploit the system and do stuff that violates the spirit of the game. Starting farming accounts and going on and off associations to use farmed Rests on prioritized accounts circumvents the max Rest farming limit created by Nordeus and hence must certainly be deemed to be "in conflict with the spirit or intent" of the game. At least IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyPosh
If they want to consider this some more, they should just suspend the ability to rest loaned players in mean time. It was just implemented, it should be pretty easy to turn the clock back.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
Maybe they are hesitent to start dealing with all the work it would mean to spread the word that it is illigal and suspend/take actions against all cheaters. I recon they are quite many by now. But then, just turn the ability to rest players off. Its certainly won't matter much if you have that option or not. Right?
Jeeves where are you? ;)
Have someone done anything about this problem? Or now everyone uses this kind of method to "power train" their players? Is it cheating or not? At this point I see that for "fair play" managers, it's cheating, but as the association update lets you to do that, then it's not cheating.... It's like a 2 way situation atm...
Maybe easy to stop this : If you loan player, then you can't heal him? You can ask from the manager who you loaned the player from, to heal him. ( As he is you association member and ready to help you...)
The real problem is not a manager that power trains and heals him as a loan.
The real problem here is the exploit is done, with creating numerous new teams just to get advantage of the first day bonus and then drops them. So searchig for more than a thousand loans in associations it is easily to track down such managers.
This sucks and causes problem in general.
So let's say that I have an injury of a top player and I have no red packs. I say my teammates my situation ans someone says I have some spare, just put him for loan to heal him.
Can this be considered cheating?
Is it beyond the rules?
Isnt it in the borders of association teammates helping each other?
This is my perspective.
But this kind of training will take for ages?
Nope, don't take longer than any other way to practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by k1tb
How long has this been going on now?
I doubt they have any interest in stopping this cheating
@Bunzo
At least as Jeeves said they are on it, they just want to keep a low profile till they come to a resolution, so this potential exploit is not widely spread and more managers start doing it.
So I think we should just sit back and relax for few days and see how this will come out.
After all the FA teams doing it can easily be tracked down by us as well so we can see in few days if they keep doing it
I hope so…
Jeeves stated that ages ago, and since then, a few association weekends have passed which has seen players association suffer as a result of this cheating thats going on, and thats what it is, cheating,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloverfield
What shocks me most is players are going to follow suit to make their club stronger, and avoid purchasing tokens/rests/treatments which of course is where T11 make there profit, but as they dont seem to mind losing money - ive given up, so am gonna do it myself and mearly do what everyone else is doing
This is still a very small, but unfortunately blatant and visible, proportion of managers doing this. If you choose to cheat (why tiptoe around the real name anymore?), don't complain for a moment if you are banned or punished. Personally I'd report you the same as U Craiova. No excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyPosh
Disappointed in Nordeus for dragging. Do something that sends a message, not just tell the dozens of forum users they're on it.
Suggested before, if you want to do something, organize a FB group or flood Nordeus Twitter stating you will not support them with ad views until things are improved. I doubt this is well discussed outside this forum, spread the frustration. On the forum we all on the same page.
