Unbelievable number of loans

We were lucky, we faced only 1 time this exploiter - but they had only one, ~190% manager. We managed to beat them, but this weekend, it's the absolut worst draw ever. Our semi-finals are against a big exploiter-FA, where three of them 160% or higher. It's also, if you look at the last ~7 weeks, Nordeus isn't able to make fair draw. If it's the system like league/CL, where quality doesn't matter (at the range of 1 level), why we never get weak FA, only (really) strong one?
Back to our draw: we lost 1.leg 6:12, 2.leg wouldn't be better, because nobody of our FA will be there... christmas ftw.


Maybe, I'll start to use this exploit too (but I really hate them), because of one simple reason: I want to quit the game, because of this exploiter. But... why only quit? I can use this exploit, have fun again. If they ban me, it's okay, I wanted to quit. If they ban me not, I've a powerful team.
In this case, I can't lose - I hope, you understand, what I want to say. :)

Yes it must be great for them 180% teams playing in an average league of 100%…where is the fun or challange….eh?
They´re only kidding themselves ffs

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When your community doesn't have faith in your authority and commitment to act and protect the non exploiting members.... this is the only current issue that really disappoints me about Nordeus. And disappoint it does. The inaction, the lacking communication... I want to feel Nordeus is leading the effort to correct a community, economic, fairness, and morale issue... rather than feeling they have lost control of the situation, as it does.

Sorry, Nash, that you must consider quitting.

Remember all, this forum is a tiny outlet compared to the social streams, can make more noise there.

It isn't fun... and it's a punsh through all, who ever bought a single token.

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Remember all, this forum is a tiny outlet compared to the social streams, can make more noise there.

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Yes, but at FB, at every anncounment, there are 1000 of comments... some really stupid, some useless,... it would say, for every 300 comments, there is one, you (Nordeus) should listen.
And I think, at this forum is a community, which reflects well, how the game is.

So have a look at this - founded todays date, and 112 loans already

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Because nothing being done about this as T11 as corrupt as each Association Captain, these are my next steps

Quit my current association, explaining to the guys, I can't invest the time anymore

Start my own Association,

Create 5 more Facebook Accounts, and then then join the 5 teams into my Association

Loan players from my main team and boost them

Within time, get rid of the 5 accounts, and start 5 new ones and do it again

Repeat above step at least once a week

Can't they just stop allowing the use of packs on loaned players? All players boosted temporarily to full condition and moral for association matches. Everything turns back after the match.

Edit: I'm sure this has been suggested before. Jumping into convo late as I just recently decided to try associations again and ran into my first association exploiting this.

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We're getting new applicants mentioning using this...

I bet it's not long before people are exchanging real money to enter a "booster association", bump up players by total strangers. Since tokens in this exploit are free aside from time to create accounts, someone will eventually undercut Nordeus token prices. Maybe then they'll shut it down.

I would´t be surprised that in some way this benefits Nordeus & that´s why it has not been stopped ?

Well, currency entering the economy means inflation. And though there is no currency exchange, the unequal distribution means upwards pressure on the higher ranks in each level. That is, the ones who spent tokens regularly now have more peer-like competitors being created in players who have made Q increases they otherwise wouldn't have. The unlimited supply those players have is the upwards pressure that implies a player who was, eg, top 10% in their server-level is now pushed down and forced to increase their income/ token supply, to compete. If token buyers choose to continue buying and competing Nord benefits to the point of those players decreasing their total demand.

Unlimited token supply also means generating many more player at each level who are bumped way up in quality then sold in auction. This might not have too much impact because of the 99q auction limit at each level. For example, level 9 player at 145q doesn't really demand more tokens in his market, as a 85q player in level 11. However, anything that moves more players through the auctions means tokens.

I'd say yes, Nordeus could be benefiting, but I don't think they are allowing this for that reason. The economy could be complex, but they almost certainly have some "prime indicators" to monitor the "health" of the game economy.

It is obvious that they´re benefiting somewhere because the have mad no effort whatever to stop this.

I say tomato, you say tomat. ;)

Personally I can believe a functional, implementable solution isn't easy to create. Banning known accounts is easy, if morally dubious, they may have the soft hearts as some here who would say the rules protect "the exploit" for now. But doesn't that create a cat and mouse hunt right away? The exploiters switch and create accounts all the time anyways. Nordeus is constrained by whatever verification process Google play accounts use (one reason FB is often preferred cloud link account, stronger imperfect verification).

They have had a concept in mind for what association play looks like, and rather than limit or redesign that, eg eliminating ability to use packs on loans, I would look for a stronger solution to regain control.

Again, only Nord knows what the impact is, economically in game and real world, and potentially how much Q or win-loss impact as well. Point is, the overall impact may be smaller than we suspect, though growing. If that's the case, it may be beneficial and more efficient to focus Nordeus resources on other development.

Keep in mind we have a hugely skewed community here, with daily players and multi year vets. Facts about app user retention indicate high churn/ replacement rate, and we gamers seem to have the fastest churn rates of all. So the average user, and there are millions compared to the vets, has an experience that is likely limited to the first 3 seasons, if that (90 day retention of a high performing gaming app...14%).

Realistically many of "our" issues are likely not noticed by the vast majority of T11 users; we are niche. ST, GK issues, level 40+ transfer market, Gold level associations... All probably second tier to functionality, connection issues etc.

They do a lot, plenty of companies/ projects do not. I try to give credit and benefit of the doubt. But I am frustrated too.

I feel more for those who come up against "The exploiters" in the League,CL & cup it´s really not fair in them situations
As far as Associations ago if they all end up drawn together then they just have themselves to blame.
I noticed not long ago a well known "Exploiter" complaining on fb about their cup draw …oh the irony ;)

We got this weekend the purely ****ing hardcore exploiter draw... all 3 of them did it, one of them doesn't hide: ~4k loans, two other have two 9* teams, rest 5* teams...
Well done... :mad:

That´s just ****e pal…..This needs to STOP NOW

It's internal group stress now, too. If I don't want an exploiter, but rest of group does, am I supposed to leave my group of many months, argue with friends? Nobody knows will we be punished in the future. If your group is taking an exploiter at this point, they advertise it, and with exploiters being an "advantage" is just an "arms race", why shouldn't they just take their team to the limit?

This is the month I really feel negative about my association experience. Come on Nordeus, this is exhausting.

Hold on there mate…
There may be something happening as I see some complaints on a Top 11 fb page that Nordeus are stripping packs & tokens from exploiters.




Edit: Top 11 legends…One major exploiter has posted the message he got from Nordeus seems they say he was using vpn but he was clearly & openly exploiting the loans in Associations

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It's internal group stress now, too. If I don't want an exploiter, but rest of group does, am I supposed to leave my group of many months, argue with friends? Nobody knows will we be punished in the future. If your group is taking an exploiter at this point, they advertise it, and with exploiters being an "advantage" is just an "arms race", why shouldn't they just take their team to the limit?

This is the month I really feel negative about my association experience. Come on Nordeus, this is exhausting.

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I've been in an association w/ loan exploiters before. From what i've noticed/experienced, generally speaking, It's really not worth adding them, since they skew the quality so far upwards that you're more likely to play against far more difficult opponents than before.

Looks like things are changing though. As Bunzo posted, there is a post about it on the Top Eleven Legends page. (I've also been told by a friend that bans have started - but its second hand info and not offical word from nordeus). I'm guessing coiners are getting a warning, and free players are a coin toss for the ban.

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ILooks like things are changing though. As Bunzo posted, there is a post about it on the Top Eleven Legends page. (I've also been told by a friend that bans have started - but its second hand info and not offical word from nordeus). I'm guessing coiners are getting a warning, and free players are a coin toss for the ban.

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I'm sure, that isn't true. Best example: look at WorldTop100 1.place... they don't hide it... and they are there and they used it last week.
Also, we face this weekend 3 of those exploiter-FA...
We contact support, but it's useless... we got the normal answers:
-) sometimes weak club surpise the big ones
-) you can't know, if they are cheating
bla bla bla...

In my opinion, Nordeus made a big mistake to ignore the problem, because they can't solve it easily now.

If they ban all of them, they used it, it will be a statement, for sure. BUT it doesn't give the victims anything. There are lost titles, lost FAs. *
Ignoring them made many managers to exploiters too, because the expoiter get an free advantage over the most managers. No one wants the disadvantage because of them. Nordeus starts with their "strategy" the "arm race", not the managers.
So, do you think it's okay, to ban the managers, who just wanted to defend themselves? But how to different between who started because of his own advantage and the "defenders"?

Think only one moment about a manager, that spends 5€. This poor guy get rapped by exploiters. And now think about one of those who spend hundreds or thousands of € (like Nordeus says). If you are one of this, what would you do? Blaming Nordeus? After one month of ignoring, I can't blame this guys, who use that exploit too. I don't think, it's the right way to ban the exploiter, because Nordeus did nothing.
1.step had to be, that only L3-manager could join an FA.

But... there's another problem: if they don't ban and just fix it... all the exploiters have an advantage over the next few months.

It's ignored for to long. Only "fair" way is, to fix it and wait the next months, to drop their quality.

Finally what's about draw-exploiter? Will they get banned? If not, why? Beause Nordeus make money with them? Sry, but exploit is exploit, no matter what it does.

(and no, I didn't use this exploit, but I think you can't blame the players, if the developer do nothing or for to long nothing)


* we lost at FA our winning streak of 10. 1st weekend this season, it was only one FA, 2.week we faced two (maybe a third, who didn't know exactly how it works), this weekend, we face three of them. If they will be banned, we don't get the points, we had made. We don't get the places we had made. So it's worthless.

well for me is one Suggestion Nordeus it should put all them
to play against each other or fix different category for them:cool:

I don't think... though maybe now it wouldn't be much of a shock....I would hope Nordeus doesn't go out of their way to cater to people who avoid earning tokens with money or ads by grouping them.

To quote some historic queen, "Let them play Fruit Ninja."

nothing more to say

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(it's not ours, it's the other semi. But if we win our semi, we face this... :mad::mad:)

Our strongest team is mine... with 139%.

Another week punished by this bull****.

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(it's not ours, it's the other semi. But if we win our semi, we face this... :mad::mad:)

Our strongest team is mine... with 139%.

Another week punished by this bull****.

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Wtf that liverpool 1% only xaxaxaxaxa free win for ya bro :3

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Wtf that liverpool 1% only xaxaxaxaxa free win for ya bro :3

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He won't be at 1% after recruiting players and 3 loans from their 180% team mate !


It's the rank 17 world Association ( Legends never die )

Sad situation...
What can I say...

Only thing I can say is that at the moment is that I am disappointed from the services offered through the game.
So I became a "free" player and I wont spend a single penny again tillI see that dev is growing towards the correct direction
(correction==what I personally want from the game)

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You got it. :cool:

I encountered that 180% team w/ the pit bull pic, during the 1st tournament of this association season (Was not a fun tournament). He was in a different association at the time, but appeared to be a token buyer to my eye, when we drawn into the same tournament. His team was well over 160% at the time, but his loans were only around 200 total and he had well over 250 total points. Loan exploit could be in play now, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 180% teams in this case are actually token buyers.

Maybe, but at the moment the two teams have a whole team at this level. I also don't think about token buying, because that's so expensive, to a get a single player to 180%...

But in this case, it isn't only the strongness of the teams/FA... it also the high qualit, how Nordeus destroys FA and slowly the whole game. The whole season, the draws were really crap. We were never evenly, nor stronger. We (average FA with 6* at the end) got ****ed by exploiters and high % teams.
After the crazy two weekends (with mixed divisions), there were ~6 really nice draws, all FA/teams were evenly, but this season? I'm sorry to say it that hard, but Nordeus seems to be dump and rather lacks in competence.

It's not enough to play vs this ****ing exploiter... no, that bull**** game is on their side:

it was the important last game, it was 16:16, so that win decided, who go to final...
our FA-member is blue.
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im new and i tought about buying some tokens

glad i found this thread

no money for this game! easier to make a few teams and feed my main team

edit: allowing anything to be used on loan players is a dumb design decison lol, any junior game designer will spot this in 10 seconds

I'm really disappointed and suspicious. I pointed evidence of this to Nordeus. A very popular player with several hundreds of friends exploiting the system with assoc loans. Nordeus sent me a message saying they were doing something but then strangely the player got to find out of my message to Nordeus and deleted me.


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he probably is a big whale and game owners close their eyes

however is puzzling how this blatant and easy predicatable exploit was released with associations

you shouldnt be able to influence others people player stats, is basic 1+1=2

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he probably is a big whale and game owners close their eyes

however is puzzling how this blatant and easy predicatable exploit was released with associations

you shouldnt be able to influence others people player stats, is basic 1+1=2

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If I remember correctly when "Associations" was started it was not possible to use green packs on loaned players.
This feature was added a few weeks after .
So it should be easy enough to stop but as I've said before Nordeus are either benefitting from it or they do not give a ****….

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If I remember correctly when "Associations" was started it was not possible to use green packs on loaned players.
This feature was added a few weeks after .
So it should be easy enough to stop but as I've said before Nordeus are either benefitting from it or they do not give a ****….

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That's correct!They've added this feature just few weeks after the associations started(can't remember when they've implemented a suggestion to the game sooo quick...)so now I strongly believe that they benefit from this,I don't know how,but not doing anything to correct this for so many months,made me belive this..

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I smell a rat ;)

It ensures new accounts are constantly created? So the game looks more popular to advertisers? And a major aspect of the game is the "arms race". This pushes up that level so more have to pay to keep up or compete. Just adding to the conspiracy theory 😉

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It ensures new accounts are constantly created? So the game looks more popular to advertisers? And a major aspect of the game is the "arms race". This pushes up that level so more have to pay to keep up or compete. Just adding to the conspiracy theory 😉

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Good thinking