Is this allowed?

[Barry Brinkhuijsen]

This weekend we will face this assocation.
Looks to be one person with 6 accounts. Or at least 4.
I hope that The persons who set the rules will take a look,and if its not allowed please do something?

PS: we are Ajax

[pcmacdaniel]

From my understanding, if his accounts are facebook accounts, then yes, since its against facebook rules to have multiple accounts.

Regarding associations, as long as your group is active and good tactically, it's doubtful he'll be able to manage a tactical chess match with 4-6 accounts

[Barry Brinkhuijsen]

Well he is able to manage. His record is 14-0-2-0.
Hope the bosses will kick his but out.
I play by the rules, so must everybody. (I hope)

[nikolgiorgos]

well, the only case to report this guy is if you 're in the same league with him and he 's trying to manipulate it.
Meaning, playing normally with his other accounts vs your team and setting illegal formations vs his top dog team.

btw, I was playing in FA games with a team of a another member who was in vacations.
it was very difficult to manage two teams so I can't see any advantage to that.

[Barry Brinkhuijsen]

Well, if its allowed, it shouldnt

[nikolgiorgos]

why ?
What is his unfair advantage ?

[pcmacdaniel]

why ?
What is his unfair advantage ?

Nik, I appreciate you making a very good argument, and helping defend the point I originally made. - (I'm referring to the post I didn't quote here).

The more I think about this though, the more I think Barry is correct about this group having an advantage due managing 4 accounts.

My reasoning is:

1. The # of matchups where significant tactical adjustments in match need to be made is quite small. Most managers will find a way to beat themselves, due to either bad tactics or a lack of preparedness.

2. Communication: Having six members in an association can be difficult for communication. Some members will request a bonus, when its obvious they're opponent can't maintain 40% training bonuses. So we end up wasting a bonus on a match where their is no point in giving one.

Another example is a team with 60 points and 30 team training bonuses given, because my horrible math skills can still figure out that's at best an average of 1 point/match, so a calculated risk that points can be secured there w/o a team-training bonus is a wise decision. However, with poor communication the risk of boosting that match instead of doubling up in a different one is higher.

3. Sacrificing a matchup: It's very hard to get a member to agree to take two losses for the good of the association. This really only applies to the top two seeds, since with there loans they have the ability to greatly skew the quality in the favor of an associations lower seeds (in my opinion a very viable strategy when a heavy underdog). For example, I drew a 135% team in the final weekend of last season, but he only had a 5 player bench and that associations 2 seed was 20% weaker. I knew he could loan 2 players max, so I decided to loan out my 8 best players which included a 151% AMR and 142% AML, since I knew the loans were going to cause them major problems. This guy loaned 0 players, and my association won 18-15.

I think this approach also can be used effectively against associations that have an obvious weak link, so you can eliminate two matchups regarding applying bonuses, and still in all likelihood be tied 6-6. But in the other four matches, you've got 6 group training bonuses applied, with 8 loaned players.

All that said, i'm not going to call it an unfair advantage, because I don't think one is going to be able to consistantly beat the elite associations (based on quality) with having 4+ accounts in one association. I just think the number of genuine elite associations is very small in number. Most associations have at least one weak link that can be exploited. Now, in the better associations its going to be more difficult to identify who the weak link is, because stuff like a deep bench can mask a teams deficiencies, especially if the team in question has a deep bench because then 40% training bonuses has to be assumed.

[Eric Jego]

@ Nikolgiorgos

I don't think it is fair ! my explanations...

A friend of mine was using some accounts seasons ago. I don't remember anymore if he did supports for himself. What is sure : he was in conflict with another player in a forum and this last decided to report the situation to Nordeus. Nordeus sent an alert to my friend, banned the accounts except the one that has be blocked for 1 full week (no management possible). Reason told was it is unfair to support his own team with his other own teams !

So no mind if it was league, Cup or Champion league !!! And no mind if there is same or different levels for own accounts !!! So no mind if in league it appears the best one is managed to benefit lower ones stratégies versus direct opponents (it just grow-up unfair situation, isn't it ?)

Considering this only answer, I CAN SAY playing with 2 to 6 accounts (FB or any others is same) is REALLY UNFAIR.
As only log in to Top Eleven is sufficient to get support automatically in Association Tournaments.... it is the same issue

@ Barry, So I can say, if you consider that such an association (that won everything or almost : around 800 points) is an illegal option, you just have to report to Nordeus from my point of view !!!

But do it quickly because I don't think if you loose your match versus this association, Nordeus will give you back points and qualification !!!

[LeManiaque]

I don't like it either, Barry!

[nikolgiorgos]

Eric

playing normally with his other accounts vs your team and setting illegal formations vs his top dog team.

that's a serious case

it is unfair to support his own team with his other own teams !

that's not.
Any experienced player must know that support from friends , is one of the very minor factors that affect a match.
Personally I believe it's more psychological than practical.
I also have 5 teams (different levels, in two servers) but never use them to support one of my teams.
I use only one from the old version, so to have a better picture of the game (the stats) as in the new version you must switch screen to see them and my fingers stuck sometimes lol
I have enough friends so in every game there are at least ten supporters.
Barry many times is one of them and can see there Tigran or Rinokeros or none of them.
I really don't see any advantage to that.

In asc. games, it's even worst because you have to coach those teams - see the stats, oppo rates, think, give bonus, make subs, support the other friends.

As I told above, I played last month in the FA groups of my two teams, with the teams of friends who were in vacations (Beckstar and Alex).
Sometimes the groups were playing at the same time so I had to coach 4 teams
It was nightmare and I 'm sure I lost some games/points because of that.


Coaching 6 teams at the same time ?
Sorry, I still cannot see any advantage to that.

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But do it quickly because I don't think if you loose your match versus this association, Nordeus will give you back points and qualification !!!

not enough time.
Even nord guys deserve a week end