CL SemiFinals and CUP SemiFinals - Possible first time 3 cup winner?

Hello everyone!
I already won my league (many points ahead of second!) so I want to concentrate on cup and CL.

I managed to reach SemiFinal on both CUP and CL but now things start to get complicated...

I need some advice against a same quality team but 1 level above me (I'm level 5 - 40Q VS level 6 - 41Q)

CUP Game

He is using 5-3N-2ST formation, and I was planing 4-3N-1-2... what do you guys think?
I have many players so I could try almost any formation, just let me know what you guys think

CL Game

He is using 4-4-2 classic formation and I've always had trouble against that formation.... so I always ended up copying formation and managed to win/qualify for next rounds in CUP or CL!

His team is 38Q VS 40Q me...

Any help?
Thanks :)

Oh...you can handle them. After five months surely there can be no doubt to your team ability and tactics?
Do you know his strengths, weaknesses, history,players, changes, etc.
What are your strengths, weakness, health,subs, etc

Which off your players do you plan to change,when and why?

let's start there for now.

Cup game I'll go with 4132 instead of 4312. You can win the midfield battle with a dmc to clean up anything that gets through whilst he doesn't have a dmc for that safety. If you have an amc, it will just be nullified by his mid dc. When he plays with such a defensive formation, take advantage of his lack of numbers upfront rather than put more attackers to contest with his defenders.

CL game. Yeah, mirror him if you can and have a higher Q.

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Originally Posted by TimYoung

Cup game I'll go with 4132 instead of 4312. You can win the midfield battle with a dmc to clean up anything that gets through whilst he doesn't have a dmc for that safety. If you have an amc, it will just be nullified by his mid dc. When he plays with such a defensive formation, take advantage of his lack of numbers upfront rather than put more attackers to contest with his defenders.

CL game. Yeah, mirror him if you can and have a higher Q.

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I'm going to try 4132 as you suggested for away game and then I will see what to do for home game depending on the score.
I have good strikers, let's hope that they manage to score some goals hehe
Only concern is that I can't put into play any of my free kick specialists with this center formation...

About CL I will mirror formation and hope to get a win! :D

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

Oh...you can handle them. After five months surely there can be no doubt to your team ability and tactics?
Do you know his strengths, weaknesses, history,players, changes, etc.
What are your strengths, weakness, health,subs, etc

Which off your players do you plan to change,when and why?

let's start there for now.

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I think I have good defenders and attacker, but I don't think my midfield is that great...
I have AML - AMC - AMR and strikers ready to play a strong attacking formation if needed...

I was thinking switching to 3 DC - 2 MC - AML - AMR - AMC - 2 ST if things goes very bad, since he is only attacking with 2 ST and there are no AMC and he has 3 MC's so lack of wingers to attack!

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Originally Posted by SoMBrA

I'm going to try 4132 as you suggested for away game and then I will see what to do for home game depending on the score.
I have good strikers, let's hope that they manage to score some goals hehe
Only concern is that I can't put into play any of my free kick specialists with this center formation...

About CL I will mirror formation and hope to get a win! :D

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Oh. I dunno. I am not a fan of changing formation if it means playing your weaker players.

If anything, yeah, 3 at the back seems better against 532 since he has no amc nor wingers but I wouldn't put just 2 mc. You are giving him the midfield. Maybe 3132W1? Still think you should play your best players to fit a relatively good formation rather than shoehorn your players into a formation.

Oh if you are playing 4132, here is my guide.

http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...tml#post150110

Deffo play force counter attack to draw his defenders out and he does not have the numbers to score against you. DL/DR red arrow up or even better play dml/dmr or if both move dc back to 3 at the back or even lobsided dl dc dc dmr/mr/amr or dml/ml/dml dc dc dr.

Great guide you posted m8!

I think I'm ready for the game, I will post result later!

I will play force counter attack and I've aligned players as you suggested to see if it really makes a difference (I'm playing against a higher quality team this time with some 6* and 7* player)

I don't understand what you said about DML/ML/AML - DMR/MR/AMR, you think is better to play asymetric at one side?

For example
GK - DC_DC_DC - MC_MC_MC - AML - ST_ST

Play your best players.

In terms of dml/ml/aml etc.. because he has no wingers apart from his full backs, it is better to play wingers rather than full backs to attack him. You don't need full backs to defend. The reason for asymmetric is if you want to play two dcs. If you have both sides with wingers, you can't have just 2 dc at the back since that will be illegal formation but you can have just dl dc dc or dc dc dr at the back.

I guess 33N2W2 could work but I think that is way too offensive formation against a better team then you. Rather 313N2W1 instead. You can play with one upfront if you have 2 wingers.

Oh, to play force counter attack. What you are doing is to give them the ball to attack you and when you get the ball back, his players would be outta position and you counter to score in the transition.

Why 33N2W2 is too offensive to play force counter attack. Because if you give him the ball, his likely to score whereas with 313N2W1, you are more than likely to get the ball back as you have the dmc as safety to sweep up and three defenders for his 2 strikers. You can't play force counter attack with an offensive formation as that would be suicide. His mcs can do long shots against you to score if you don't have a dmc in place.

Ok.
I think I will play the initial 4132 and hope to score.
I will change to 3-1-3-2w-1 for 2nd half and let you know what happend on each half :)

Game is in 1hour and half, will update later!

I'm back!

I lost 3-1 :'(

Ball possession was almost 50% - 50% during the whole game.
Same total shots and total shots on target but he had 37% accuracy against 14% me :P

There was an almost penalty awarded to me... but finally it was not given to me! :'(

Now I need to score at least 2 goals, what to do?

CUP Game

He is using 5-3N-2ST formation, and I was planing 4-3N-1-2... what do you guys think?
I have many players so I could try almost any formation, just let me know what you guys think

CL Game

He is using 4-4-2 classic formation and I've always had trouble against that formation.... so I always ended up copying formation and managed to win/qualify for next rounds in CUP or CL!

His team is 38Q VS 40Q me...

Any help?
Thanks
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mmmhhh.. you loose 3-1 ? in the cup... I ever say that the control of midfield is important... if he was playing with a 5-3-2 , maybe a interesting tactic is 3-5-2..... with the arrows of midfield in blue, to have some help in defense and the ML-MR arrow red ... the truth is that I play 90% with a 4-3-3 and work right.... so...-.-'

other options different of 3-5-2.. my 4-3-3 or maybe why not? one that won me time ago, the 4-1-4-1 with correct orders works good too...

with your CL game of today,,,,, the 4-4-2 is some complicated... in the 2nd match of 1/4 champions league, I was playing against 4-4-2, and only solution was to do the same.... but I remember that this guy changed to 4-1-2-1-2 diamond, and did a goal, so, you can try this.... because it works good for me, I draw 1-1 and with the 1-3 of 1st match today I will play the champions semifinals too...

Yes I was also thinking 4-3-3 for home game with long ball NO counter...
I have 3 good strikers so maybe that could work.

I also was thinking hexagon to attack his strong defense!

Another option for me:
DC - DC - DC
MC - MC
AML - AMC - AMR
ST - ST

Ok so today I have the 2nd leg of Cup semifinals.
I lost 3-1 against 5-3N-2 formation and I'm not sure what to try for home game!

I need to score 2 goals at least so I was thinking maybe 4-3-3 with Long ball passing or even 3N-1-3N-3N // 3N-3N-1-3N

Another option 4-2N-2W-2 (hexagon) // 4-2N-3W-1 ??

What do you guys think?
Other team is stronger than me by 3 points!

Game in 2hours, any idea?

I will try some of the formations I mentioned if nobody has a better idea :D

1 - 1 so could not qualify for the CUP final :'(

I tried 4-3-1-2 and scored a goal, but just 1 minute after my goal other team also scored...

Then I changed to 3W-3N-1-3 but there was nothing to do, could not score again...

If I were to replay the game I would try hexagon or counter-attack with 4-3-3 maybe?

3142 or 352v

I probably would have played 352 flat with red arrows in MR and ML.

Against 442, i have won recently with 451vstyle and 3412, 3DC ML 3MC AMR 2ST, it seems that assimetrical formations work better against 442.

But i am only level 3, so i face many weaker teams.

I have 2nd leg CL semifinal against 4-4-2 after 1-1 @ home game...

I was thinking playing 4-4-2 again since is the only thing to "work" but I need another plan just in case things go bad..

First game I attacked down both flanks with normal mentality and other team scored goal from penalty kick...

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssss
I won 1-2 away game after extra time

My 2 goals were from free kicks by my best player ever... he is 4 star player but has the best score / assists rate per season since I bought him 3 months ago :)

I played 4-1-3W-1-1 against 4-4-2 and It worked very good, he had to change formation after I scored so he played 4-3N-2W-1 and managed to score (I was playing normal mentality by that time)

I did not change formation since my DMC was doing a good job stoping his attacks and also my DC's

2 Minutes before penalties foul was commited by opponent and SILVA scored the 2nd goal.

Was a great game, really enjoyed it :)