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    Really glad you like it, : )
    Feel free to ask if you have any question or random suggestion.
    Favorite Formations : 4-1-4-1 // 4-5-1 (F/V) // 4-4-1-1 // 4-4-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebess View Post
    Really glad you like it, : )
    Feel free to ask if you have any question or random suggestion.

    please share result your match versus formation 4-4-2 classic


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    Quote Originally Posted by memer View Post
    please share result your match versus formation 4-4-2 classic
    I've been doing rather well against 4-4-2 formation, since I'm still undefeated this season, : )

    Here're some results since you asked :


    This first one doesn't really count because of the quality difference being so ridiculous... :

    4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-8-0-format.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-8-0-qual.jpg


    This one is much more revealing since my team is just very slightly better, and I'm playing away :

    4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-1-2-format.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-1-2-qual.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-1-2-stats.jpg


    And this is less revealing. My team was better. I was playing away though :

    4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-0-3-format.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-0-3-qual.jpg


    This last one is more revealing, since this time both teams were more or less equal. I still had the home advantage however :

    4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-3-0-format.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-3-0-qual.jpg4-4-2 And Its Closest Variations.  Why Are They So Strong? -- Some Quick Thoughts-3-0-stats.jpg


    That's all the 4-4-2 teams I've come across this season.
    As you can see, I basically use a flat 4-5-1 against 4-4-2 classic. It allows to have a better midfield control and thus have a pressing advantage since both format. are based on the midfield game. With red arrows on my ML/MR and central MC, my offense is still very strong even with just one ST.
    Last edited by kebess; 10-04-2013 at 04:01 PM.
    Favorite Formations : 4-1-4-1 // 4-5-1 (F/V) // 4-4-1-1 // 4-4-2

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    I have tried to play 442 for this season but struggled with 4-3N-2W-1 & 3W-4-3. But reading your thread I realise that 4-5-1 & 5-4-1 may have done the trick. Good information & many thanks.
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    I need to reverse a 5-2 away defeat & yes I maybe should have played 4-4-2 but that's history.

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    I now need to win 3-0 or 4-1 So I am intending to play 4-4-2 & maybe motivate later with arrows. What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kebess View Post
    I've been doing rather well against 4-4-2 formation, since I'm still undefeated this season, : )

    Here're some results since you asked :


    This first one doesn't really count because of the quality difference being so ridiculous... :

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    This one is much more revealing since my team is just very slightly better, and I'm playing away :

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    And this is less revealing. My team was better. I was playing away though :

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    This last one is more revealing, since this time both teams were more or less equal. I still had the home advantage however :

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    That's all the 4-4-2 teams I've come across this season.
    As you can see, I basically use a flat 4-5-1 against 4-4-2 classic. It allows to have a better midfield control and thus have a pressing advantage since both format. are based on the midfield game. With red arrows on my ML/MR and central MC, my offense is still very strong even with just one ST.
    nice formation but I thnk you win because your team quality is better than your rival
    because i'm use 4-4-2 classic too


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    Quote Originally Posted by Croft Original View Post
    I need to reverse a 5-2 away defeat & yes I maybe should have played 4-4-2 but that's history.

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    I now need to win 3-0 or 4-1 So I am intending to play 4-4-2 & maybe motivate later with arrows. What do you think?
    Good luck in advance, it's not gonna be easy. Who has the better team by the way ?

    Here's what I suggest against his 4-1-3-2 :

    This :

    ----x---- (ST)
    x-------- (AML) (red/blue x means red/blue arrow)
    --x-x-x-x (3MC/MR)
    ---------
    x-x---x-x (4 in the back)

    OR this :

    ----x---- (ST)
    --------x (AMR) (red/blue x means red/blue arrow)
    x-x-x-x-- (ML/3MC)
    ---------
    x-x---x-x (4 in the back)


    The one you chose should depend on your opponents defense quality. If the left side of his defense is much weaker (meaning his DL and left DC are weaker than his DR and right DC), then chose the 2nd formation (the one with AMR). If it's the opposite and his right side is weaker, then chose the 1st formation with AML.

    The idea as you've guessed is to pressure/attack his weaker flank and do all your pressing on that side. It's usually a pretty effective approach, and if your AML/AMR is stronger than his DL/DR, then it's even better (especially his Speed). Also, put your strongest MC on the side you're doing the pressing.

    If his defense is pretty balanced in quality, then use this :

    ----x---- (ST)
    x-------x (AMR/AML)
    --x-x-x-- (3MC)
    ---------
    x-x---x-x (4 in the back)

    And attack on both flanks.

    The orders should thus be, right or left or both flanks passing, depending on which formation you pick. Start with Normal Mentality. If at 45min, you still have 1 or less goal, but you're leading the pressing and possession, then switch to Attacking.
    Go hard tackles, own side pressing, mixed passes, no trap, no counter.

    A quick note on why these formations is, they will allow you to dominate the midfield, have a solid defense, and above all a strong attack, since you really need goals ! If you see he's having a bit too much chances to score, you can put a blue arrow on the middle MC, or replace him with a DMC, but don't rush too fast into that decision.
    If you didn't need so many goals, you could start right away with a DMC there. So, as soon as you're comfortable and confident of a win, don't hesitate either to make the switch.

    There. Good luck, and don't forget to post the results !
    Last edited by kebess; 10-05-2013 at 04:36 AM.
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    Thanks K

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    this thread is perfect form now on i'll use 4-4-2 cuz i have 2 strong ST ..


    so can you tell me what is the best orders for 4-4-2 from your experience ?!

    i would like to go with attacking cuz this is my style (hardly way) ... short or mixed but id rather short cuz it's flat formation.. mixed or both flanks ?!
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    Well wasn't to be but thanks for the advice they were just the better side.

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