iam sorry to tell you that i have a final cup match against same formation tommorow !! and i do faced it be4 and lost using either 4411 and 451v style and i have seen history of most players using this formation it seems nothing beat it even if u were having strongest players ( i dnt know why !! ) ... so u want the truth what iam thinking to play extreme defensive formation 3331 ( 3dldcdr / dmcdmcdmc / mr mc ml / st )and try my chance !! what can i say more !! i dont know