Thanks Bubba, will play it next time a narrow diamond appears in front of me and will let you know how I get on, must admit haven't played a 4-4-2 nd this season in league, most seem to favour 4-1-3-2 or 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 in my league and once you have beaten those formations once you know what formation to play to counter them, hence I won my league yesterday. Thanks again