A question for players on high lvl... How do you think about "counter formations"?

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Originally Posted by minz90

there are or are not ? please tell your reason ;)


thx for discussion

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Hey minz90


I manager level 41 the boss, I have played this game long time since 2010. (NOT THE PRO)
High level manager team is not very good because the game want to death to change a hold club.
My counter formations is 1 DL DC 1 DC 1 DC DCM 1 DR DC 3 MC 1 AMC 2 ST, means that 4-3-1-2. Sometime formation can change as your player roles, as you have AMC AMR player. (for more place to go that your enemy don't have that role)

For me AMC is very important if your MC is not good, AMC will play the role. A good AMC need to good on pass there will be top passer the ball to ST.
Last few year before I always in top 3. I have one AMC MC, he player very good and always top score top passer. Now it is hard to find on market and my level mybe too high.

I only can said that "What must have on your team" is
1 DL DC
1 DR DC
1 DC DMC
3 MC
1 AMC
2 ST
Sub (can be more player as your team have $$$)
1 DC or DC DMC
1 ST
2 MC
1 AMC
1 GK (not really need it, if you want to play it safe)

Because MC ST DC player easy to find on market AMC sometime don't have at market.

4-5-1 v, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 is hard to maintain MR ML have on the market but, 1 MC MR is hard to find for my level. For my level most on market on sale is MC ST DC five star and their are less, new five star. That mean four star just went to five star. Level 19 player you always sale fast, because the going to five star. So no one will go and bid the 16 or 15 level. Always find five star player!!!

Next time when you going to bid player need to think that player can take few season. Player that 18 to 21 year old can make it 2 or 3 season and see your team will always top 7 on league. If yeas, you always busy on market.

Sorry if have my English grammar mistakes,
Thank for reading

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Originally Posted by Tactician

I used attacking and full pitch pressing in the second half; he scored another goal.

I have used red arrows on wingers (and I even tried an arrow on the two STs at some point during the match).

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Is your Team stronger?
Maybe you had Not enough possesion.
In this case maybe Red arrow on amr and left striker can be successful.
What about the stats, did you get some good chances in sec half?
Next Match is away, can be hard with 3-5-2 v and attacking.

Let me know more about your team. We will find a way.

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Originally Posted by minz90

Is your Team stronger?
Maybe you had Not enough possesion.
In this case maybe Red arrow on amr and left striker can be successful.
What about the stats, did you get some good chances in sec half?
Next Match is away, can be hard with 3-5-2 v and attacking.

Let me know more about your team. We will find a way.

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Originally Posted by Ryanwong

Hey minz90


I manager level 41 the boss, I have played this game long time since 2010. (NOT THE PRO)
High level manager team is not very good because the game want to death to change a hold club.
My counter formations is 1 DL DC 1 DC 1 DC DCM 1 DR DC 3 MC 1 AMC 2 ST, means that 4-3-1-2. Sometime formation can change as your player roles, as you have AMC AMR player. (for more place to go that your enemy don't have that role)

For me AMC is very important if your MC is not good, AMC will play the role. A good AMC need to good on pass there will be top passer the ball to ST.
Last few year before I always in top 3. I have one AMC MC, he player very good and always top score top passer. Now it is hard to find on market and my level mybe too high.

I only can said that "What must have on your team" is
1 DL DC
1 DR DC
1 DC DMC
3 MC
1 AMC
2 ST
Sub (can be more player as your team have $$$)
1 DC or DC DMC
1 ST
2 MC
1 AMC
1 GK (not really need it, if you want to play it safe)

Because MC ST DC player easy to find on market AMC sometime don't have at market.

4-5-1 v, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 is hard to maintain MR ML have on the market but, 1 MC MR is hard to find for my level. For my level most on market on sale is MC ST DC five star and their are less, new five star. That mean four star just went to five star. Level 19 player you always sale fast, because the going to five star. So no one will go and bid the 16 or 15 level. Always find five star player!!!

Next time when you going to bid player need to think that player can take few season. Player that 18 to 21 year old can make it 2 or 3 season and see your team will always top 7 on league. If yeas, you always busy on market.

Sorry if have my English grammar mistakes,
Thank for reading

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Thank you for this answer. All my Players i ve bought in the age of 18. Some Players i have Since 7 or 8 seasons. They have trained very hard.

I will only buy the young Player which will train fast.

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Originally Posted by Ryanwong

Hey minz90


I manager level 41 the boss, I have played this game long time since 2010. (NOT THE PRO)
High level manager team is not very good because the game want to death to change a hold club.
My counter formations is 1 DL DC 1 DC 1 DC DCM 1 DR DC 3 MC 1 AMC 2 ST, means that 4-3-1-2. Sometime formation can change as your player roles, as you have AMC AMR player. (for more place to go that your enemy don't have that role)

For me AMC is very important if your MC is not good, AMC will play the role. A good AMC need to good on pass there will be top passer the ball to ST.
Last few year before I always in top 3. I have one AMC MC, he player very good and always top score top passer. Now it is hard to find on market and my level mybe too high.

I only can said that "What must have on your team" is
1 DL DC
1 DR DC
1 DC DMC
3 MC
1 AMC
2 ST
Sub (can be more player as your team have $$$)
1 DC or DC DMC
1 ST
2 MC
1 AMC
1 GK (not really need it, if you want to play it safe)

Because MC ST DC player easy to find on market AMC sometime don't have at market.

4-5-1 v, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 is hard to maintain MR ML have on the market but, 1 MC MR is hard to find for my level. For my level most on market on sale is MC ST DC five star and their are less, new five star. That mean four star just went to five star. Level 19 player you always sale fast, because the going to five star. So no one will go and bid the 16 or 15 level. Always find five star player!!!

Next time when you going to bid player need to think that player can take few season. Player that 18 to 21 year old can make it 2 or 3 season and see your team will always top 7 on league. If yeas, you always busy on market.

Sorry if have my English grammar mistakes,
Thank for reading

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Yes, I found it hard too to find good ML, MR, AML, AMR, even harder to get ML/AML and MR/AMR nordgens. I had to buy a player from the scouts' list this season as no good AMR nordgen has been listed on the transfer market so far. In my first season, I used mainly 4-1-3-2. It was easier to maintain and you don't have worry so much about a player getting injured because there is always some good players for cover available.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

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Nice Team you have. Possesion were enough. The Problem were the arrows or you needed to play offside trap.

3-5-2 v i dont like to play anymore, since i like the 4-2-3-1. My cup game today i ve won 7:1 by using 4-2-3-1. Try this.
Normal, mixed, full pitch, Short, hard, zonal. Start with Red on aml and amr. If Not good, you can add Red on st. Or only the Red on st. Look at comments in game. Aml or amr create chances but dont score. So remove their arrows. St need arrow when He creates chances but doesnt score. Otherwise you have to remove his arrow. If aml and amr still dont score when you remove their arrows, you have to add Red arrows on dl and dr!

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Originally Posted by minz90

Nice Team you have. Possesion were enough. The Problem were the arrows or you needed to play offside trap.

3-5-2 v i dont like to play anymore, since i like the 4-2-3-1. My cup game today i ve won 7:1 by using 4-2-3-1. Try this.
Normal, mixed, full pitch, Short, hard, zonal. Start with Red on aml and amr. If Not good, you can add Red on st. Or only the Red on st. Look at comments in game. Aml or amr create chances but dont score. So remove their arrows. St need arrow when He creates chances but doesnt score. Otherwise you have to remove his arrow. If aml and amr still dont score when you remove their arrows, you have to add Red arrows on dl and dr!

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I really worked hard to get many of these players. I also worked hard on tactics and formations. I don't think I deserved to lose that game, that too not by 2-0; my team should have scored at least a few goals with the players I have. Most of my tactics seems appropriate; I think the problem is with Nordeus as sometimes it seems that my team just don't want to score, as if something is blocking my players.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

I really worked hard to get many of these players. I also worked hard on tactics and formations. I don't think I deserved to lose that game, that too not by 2-0; my team should have scored at least a few goals with the players I have. Most of my tactics seems appropriate; I think the problem is with Nordeus as sometimes it seems that my team just don't want to score, as if something is blocking my players.

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In my league game this evening i had some Problems. I ve only won 3:1. I think my Problem was that I ve changed my Tactic to often today. That was Not good for my Players.

When I felt something is blocking my Players , i only change passing style or the arrows. This Has helped me

Thanks for helping. :)

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Thanks for helping. :)

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No problem i am Interested for your Next results.

No but yes. LOL


I use always the same formation, but one have to have a 2nd strategy, different, because sometimes the game starts again one, so, for example, now I use a 4-3-1-2, attacking mixed passing, depending of how I see the match I can move a MC as DMC and play in diamond to try to defend better, of change to 4-3-3 if the match is in my favour to try to score more.
Orders changed to very defensive and long passing to saved me many times, and changed the possession bar many times in my favour.

So I really don't belive in counters, just little movements, or inclusive with the same formation move the players keeping same formation, and change orders + manage situation with the subs' is my favourite method to play and I think that are more decisive factors.

minz90 , for 4-1-4-1 what orders to use ?

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Originally Posted by Stefanut Stefanut

minz90 , for 4-1-4-1 what orders to use ?

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I dont play that often. I tried it against mourinho (he plays 4-3-2w-1). Attacking, Mixed, full pitch, Short, hard, zonal. I dont know if i tried without arrows or with Red arrows on ml and mr. But there was a very Nice Victory. I won 8:1 against him

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Orders : Normal , mixed , whole pitch , hard , short , zonal counter attack OFF

I don't believe religiously in a Counter Formation list. A formation is only part of the equation.

I try to get the best out of my players. Sometimes that might require a change in formation so I suppose I do try to counter what my opponent is trying to do with something better.

At the moment I've returned to a 451v/4141 Combo Strategy - my t11 can seemlessly play both and most times one or the other is expected to do the job and each only requires 2 players moved forward/back. I like combos that can change without subs and have in the past also done a 3142/352v combo (and many others on alt teams).

ND, 413w2, 442 and 432w1 are wheeled out if I think it gives me more chance. 433 can be hard for me to put on the pitch but I'll try v 451v (but sit worrying that a 4141 will then emerge XD).

But like Khris I do like those minor changes of swapping around 2 similar role players from 1 side to the other or subs or tweak an order etc - when I think I need a change in fortunes I make a change to try to trigger something. I try to have a Plan B (eg combo:rolleyes:)

Basically I just like to fiddle and feel that I made a difference (good or bad). (And sometimes I will do things 'just to see what happens' and pay the price. ;) )

So its a bit of yes and no from me - my only hard and fast rule is be entertained and occasionally take a risk.

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Originally Posted by Stefanut Stefanut

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ok. Did you try the other variations of Setting arrows too?
-only red arrow on ST
-red on dl and dr (+sometimes offside trap)

Ive been playing this game for 2years now. From my experience Counter Formations work but...its not something you can put in a list. Many seasons ago i found a perfect counter for 4-4-2 and another for teams with DMC. The next season it didn't work. They change a little every season. Its part of Nordeus tactic to keep the game interesting and not predictable. Every season i build a team to play in 2tactics to counter regular formations and work from there. Build a good team and watch the games to adapt your tactic if it's not working. Usually if you have more shots on target you're on the good way.

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Originally Posted by tgog79

Ive been playing this game for 2years now. From my experience Counter Formations work but...its not something you can put in a list. Many seasons ago i found a perfect counter for 4-4-2 and another for teams with DMC. The next season it didn't work. They change a little every season. Its part of Nordeus tactic to keep the game interesting and not predictable. Every season i build a team to play in 2tactics to counter regular formations and work from there. Build a good team and watch the games to adapt your tactic if it's not working. Usually if you have more shots on target you're on the good way.

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i think, you`re right. but we should not Forget that every Formation has many Options to Play. we dont know the orders from the Opponent. example: there was a season where many opponents used Hexagon and i used 4-5-1 v in all matches.
some of them were easy to beat with 6:0. by unsing the same arrows and orders i had Problems against some other opponents that used Hexagon.

4-2-3-1 by minz90, seeking ur advises during the game

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