Pressing high

Hello guy! So have been trying to figure out when it best to press high. Is against weaker/stronger teams? And when pressing high, do I on/off offside trap? And do I on/off counter attack? I'm a bit confused about this whole thing. Please your replies will be appreciated. [emoji120]

I also would be interested to hear views on this. Please help the guy out :) or gal :)

High Press uses a lot of extra condition so use it wisely. If you're playing an easy team don't bother because the condition saved can be used in training which will increase your overall quality. I never start a game with high press because if you use it the whole game your players will tire a lot. I therefore use it like a turbo button when I need a goal or at the end of a tough match to preserve a win/draw.

For the same reason, I try to use condition bonus wherever possible (eg in easy games). Sure, you might only win 2-0 instead of 4-0 but a win's a win and I would rather save condition for training to increase my team's quality.

Thanks! What can you say about counter-attack?

Personally, I rarely use counter-attack. I know a lot of people like to use defensive counter-attacks (often with long balls). You're best to get an answer from one of the counter-attackers. I also rarely use off-side trap.

I use high press. + attack as emergency buttons if the game doesn't go well

if it's late, I use too m-t-m (because if it's early in the game, before 50', the double condition loss of those two, can cost me)
Off side trap is 50-50 if will give a bonus or a penalty so I avoid that.

I use counter attack with defense only.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I use high press. + attack as emergency buttons if the game doesn't go well

if it's late, I use too m-t-m (because if it's early in the game, before 50', the double condition loss of those two, can cost me)
Off side trap is 50-50 if will give a bonus or a penalty so I avoid that.

I use counter attack with defense only.

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I wonder, what do you do when playing against hard attacking formations like 3-4(MC-MR-ML)-1-2. I use ND against these, because it works against them. Could low press work with ND?

my philosophy is to start with def/counters + def.bonus , trying to be careful not conceded a goal early and then trying to "read" the game.

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Could low press work with ND?

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yes, why not

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Originally Posted by The_Savage_1

High Press uses a lot of extra condition so use it wisely. If you're playing an easy team don't bother because the condition saved can be used in training which will increase your overall quality. I never start a game with high press because if you use it the whole game your players will tire a lot. I therefore use it like a turbo button when I need a goal or at the end of a tough match to preserve a win/draw.

For the same reason, I try to use condition bonus wherever possible (eg in easy games). Sure, you might only win 2-0 instead of 4-0 but a win's a win and I would rather save condition for training to increase my team's quality.

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Thanks. I always wondered if the condition bonus saved or used condition! Very handy to know as I couldn't find it in the forum's

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

my philosophy is to start with def/counters + def.bonus , trying to be careful not conceded a goal early and then trying to "read" the game.


yes, why not

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Good, just learn something new.

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Originally Posted by Pjkeogh

Thanks. I always wondered if the condition bonus saved or used condition! Very handy to know as I couldn't find it in the forum's

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Good question: my opinion is it's neither of them. I think players gain more stamina for the same energetic cost.

I always use high press! Fatigue is not an issue. Got 1.5K rests available. Ads to add to condition. And most of the time i target two trophies in any given season. League being the highest priority.

Counter(with def mentaly) if they attacking

high press if you rule the midfield (but aware of counter)

i used it with normal mentality and short passing (at least 1 dc/fast with blue arrow)

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Originally Posted by hell_storm2004

I always use high press! Fatigue is not an issue. Got 1.5K rests available. Ads to add to condition. And most of the time i target two trophies in any given season. League being the highest priority.

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using condition bonus doesn't mean that at the end of the game, your players gonna have less condition loss (like the opposite - when you use high pressing or mtm marking, you 're loosing more condition after the game).
After some time during the game, the players have some penalty in performance because their fatigue.
The condition bonus, reduce this penalty.
That's why I prefer to use it in the second half, with the combination of high press. & mtm.
Of course there is always a random factor in calculations of the game, which some times totally ignores the condition of the players.
Many old managers had the experience, after two games in a row (the 2nd after 3 hours) and not being able to switch the team or to give greens, to see that they won the 2nd game with a very good performance, with their players being in yellow-red condition.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

using condition bonus doesn't mean that at the end of the game, your players gonna have less condition loss (like the opposite - when you use high pressing or mtm marking, you 're loosing more condition after the game).
After some time during the game, the players have some penalty in performance because their fatigue.
The condition bonus, reduce this penalty.
That's why I prefer to use it in the second half, with the combination of high press. & mtm.
Of course there is always a random factor in calculations of the game, which some times totally ignores the condition of the players.
Many old managers had the experience, after two games in a row (the 2nd after 3 hours) and not being able to switch the team or to give greens, to see that they won the 2nd game with a very good performance, with their players being in yellow-red condition.

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are you sure about this? I frequently play whole games using only condition bonus and also frequently play whole games never using condition bonus and it seems to me that you lose less condition after the game using the condition bonus. obviously, there are other factors like man to man/zonal and pressing but i would be surprised if the condition bonus has no effect on condition loss after the game. admittedly, when using condition bonus i usually combine that with zonal and low press and when not using condition bonus i usually use man to man and occasionally high press but even still i believe condition bonus has an effect on condition loss after the game. i could be wrong though, as i've never paid close attention, just what i've assumed from observation.

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it seems to me that you lose less condition after the game using the condition bonus

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when using condition bonus i usually combine that with zonal and low press

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when not using condition bonus i usually use man to man and occasionally high press

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I think you give the answer by yourself

some facts
- in every (official)game there is a condition loss of 22-25%
- there is also a (small) role dice in c.l. of every player
I mean in one game your GK may loose -22% and a DC 24%, in the next game maybe the opposite.
It's very clear when you do a training in old version. Even if you choose 3 bars/practice match (total -18%) for all your team, you can see in the results that one player lost -16% and another one -19%. The 2nd player earned more gaining (in analogy)
- Also there is difference from game to game (depending from oppo i mean). It's not all exactly with the same loss.
- MtM and high pressing add more condition loss and that is fixed from the game (the only two orders that affect condition loss)
If I remember well, the total condition loss after a game, is about -40 if use both
- You can make a test in a friendly game vs the same team (low press & zonal), in one use condition bonus and in the other attack/def. and compare the results.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

using condition bonus doesn't mean that at the end of the game, your players gonna have less condition loss (like the opposite - when you use high pressing or mtm marking, you 're loosing more condition after the game).
After some time during the game, the players have some penalty in performance because their fatigue.
The condition bonus, reduce this penalty.
That's why I prefer to use it in the second half, with the combination of high press. & mtm.
Of course there is always a random factor in calculations of the game, which some times totally ignores the condition of the players.
Many old managers had the experience, after two games in a row (the 2nd after 3 hours) and not being able to switch the team or to give greens, to see that they won the 2nd game with a very good performance, with their players being in yellow-red condition.

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I meant condition as in fatigue. Not the condition bonus.

Ι answered about the bonus as you bold this
using condition bonus doesn't mean that at the end of the game, your players gonna have less condition loss ....

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are you sure about this? ....

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so, again what was the question ?
lol

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I think you give the answer by yourself

some facts
- in every (official)game there is a condition loss of 22-25%
- there is also a (small) role dice in c.l. of every player
I mean in one game your GK may loose -22% and a DC 24%, in the next game maybe the opposite.
It's very clear when you do a training in old version. Even if you choose 3 bars/practice match (total -18%) for all your team, you can see in the results that one player lost -16% and another one -19%. The 2nd player earned more gaining (in analogy)
- Also there is difference from game to game (depending from oppo i mean). It's not all exactly with the same loss.
- MtM and high pressing add more condition loss and that is fixed from the game (the only two orders that affect condition loss)
If I remember well, the total condition loss after a game, is about -40 if use both
- You can make a test in a friendly game vs the same team (low press & zonal), in one use condition bonus and in the other attack/def. and compare the results.

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So you, or someone else, has done that and there's no difference in condition loss after the game between condition bonus and other bonuses (apart from the small random factor)?

I used it in a couple of games and saw that my condition loss was like other times (above 20%).
Also I think Al Svaberg made a test but don't remember exactly the post/thread.