New strangers formations ......

[Kleosfc]

4-5-1 v-style might work, like against 4-4-2 classic.

But is strange 4-4-2 or not?

[Wilson Loo]

use 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond against that 4-4-2 , nothing quite strange about that formation , still shape like 4-4-2

[Wilson Loo]

for the second one use 3N-1-4-2 or 4-5-1V