There should be relegation of teams

[dv8r]

Notwithstanding that playing for one season in every six would be utterly pointless, that could never be.

Every time you dropped a division/level through relegation your players would gain a star by the proposed system. For your example to work 6*, 7* and 8* teams would have to be relegated first - which is extremely unlikely to happen!

Untrue. You have 2 separate teams in your squad, 11 players of low quality (about 2* or 3*) who will manipulate the cup and the remaining to use for future seasons. You leave all your strong players on the bench apart from the cup... and there you have it, a way to exploit the relegation system. Oh, and you do get an easy cup each season

not to mention, who would spend a few months just to get better going back and forth between leagues when they couldve gotten much better by getting promoted the previous seasons? promotions mean more money and skill points. i think not making the CL is punishment enough for some people. lower the promotion to just 4, and probably 3-4 demotees should be good enough
you should know this well that tanking a season doesnt automatically mean youll be 1st in last place. as with the other random 80-20% somehow the illegal formations could win, and probably get promoted

You'd be surprised what people can do. I pointed out the flaws and people will think the same as me...completely possible that they'll get relegated a few seasons in a row, use their weak team for the league and their strong team for the cup. People already manipulate the cup, what makes you think they won't do something like getting relegated to manipulate the league and CL too?

[Killerbee]

People already manipulate the cup, what makes you think they won't do something like getting relegated to manipulate the league and CL too?

Eh, people manipulate the cup in ways that are not negative for their team in general. Keeping quality low and buying new players after the cup drawing is not the same as getting relegated in order to promote again.
I do agree with the point that people are going to abuse this. But then again, my opinion is that abuse should be punished in a certain way and not necessarily the system that they abuse. Considering the amount of people that play this game and the lack of visible effort on the side of Nordeus, I don't think it's likely for them to be able to deal with abuse in any form though.

[4am]

dv8r: Not quite sure what you mean by this...

Untrue. You have 2 separate teams in your squad, 11 players of low quality (about 2* or 3*) who will manipulate the cup and the remaining to use for future seasons.

If, as widely suggested, the Cup draw is based upon your 14 strongest players then the 2* and 3* won't be taken into consideration. Or am I missing your point?

[dv8r]

dv8r: Not quite sure what you mean by this...


If, as widely suggested, the Cup draw is based upon your 14 strongest players then the 2* and 3* won't be taken into consideration. Or am I missing your point?

The point I'm trying to make is... You have 22 players in your squad. The first 11 will consist of 2* or 3* players and you'll use this 11 to get yourself relegated. The other 11 players would be stronger and this will be your future first 11 (after a few seasons). You only play the weaker players in the league to get relegated with and the stronger players in the cup so at least you have something to aim for.

What would happen is... when you get relegated, everyone would have to gain a star to reflect transitioning between leagues. Your stronger players would probably be 6*, then 7* and then 8* and then 9*. Your weaker team will get stronger too but you can easily sell these players and replace with 3* players. Eventually you'll get yourself a fully 9* squad for your first team.

It's a bit hard to explain but I hope you understand. The cup format is irrelevant in this discussion

[4am]

It's a bit hard to explain but I hope you understand.

Perfectly clear; thanks for the explanation.

It still won't get you anywhere though. If you tank for three seasons, it'd take another three seasons to return to your starting point. However those players are now six years older...

[Flinger]

It still won't get you anywhere though. If you tank for three seasons, it'd take another three seasons to return to your starting point. However those players are now six years older...

And why should i be in an hurry? No matter how often i get promoted, i won't catch up with the top levels... because they are also getting promoted. And some of them complain that it gets way too hard to buy 5* players, because there's no one higher level selling them.

At those top levels there's no way a non token buyer/farmer like me could compete against a token buyer/farmer with a scout team.

And, of course , six years later you would have your players 6 years older, but if you don't tank, they would be older too and 1 star.
Besides, comparing the 2 scenarios, you could be 3 level ahead, with no won titles, or you could be at the same level, with a bunch of tittle on the bag...

You guys can't compare this model with real life football. In real life football there is a defined finishing line, get to the first division/premier League... You can't get to an higher level at your country. In this game you don't have such a line, specially if you're playing alone, like i am.
If you're playing with a bunch of your friends that may be different, as you want to keep up with them. For a lonely player, all that matters are the tittles.

[4am]

And why should i be in an hurry?

No reason at all. It's your game, you play it how you wish.

And, of course , six years later you would have your players 6 years older, but if you don't tank, they would be older too and 1 star.

You'd also have considerably greater spending power with which to replace those players.

For a lonely player, all that matters are the tittles.

Not for me ... and I don't play with anyone else either. But that's one of the game's best features - it allows you to play your game, your way.

If relegation was brought in, how would it work? In a league of 14 teams, with the top 7 going up, and the bottom 2 going down, that would leave just 5 teams. With 7 coming up to join them, who would fill the other two places, without a major game reconstruction.

Whatever method you chose to adopt, incorporating relegation would require a major undertaking on the development team's part so I think we can all agree it's unlikely to happen. Interesting to hear the various views, nonetheless.

[Flinger]

You'd also have considerably greater spending power with which to replace those players.

How so? You may be at a level where you gain more money, but players are also more expensive. Besides, you either spent resources improving your team, meaning you don't have that much left, or you didn't make that good on the competitions you played. With the improved team after 3 years of relegation, you would be able to do well on most competitions (perhaps excluding cup), so you would have gained less for a match, but go further in CL. And you wouldn't have to spend resources on new players because yours would do just fine, so you'd be storing all of them.

Now let's clear one thing. I don't tank for a living... I tanked last season because i was finding too hard to remain competitive due to token and booster shortage, and my team was loosing quality steadily. So i tanked a season, and have now tokens and booster for playing a few seasons at a good level.

One more thing. Even if you implement handicaps for the relegated teams, it is far too easy to tank and avoid relegation, so i see no point at it anyway. Like i said i tanked and finished 8th overall. Won many games while controlling not to get promoted.

[Saransh Vatsa]

Whatever methose to adopt, incorporating relegation would require a major undertaking on the development team's part so I think we can all agree it's unlikely to happen. Interesting to hear the various views, nonetheless.

That is the main point. All this discusion is useless as it won't be implemented, whether for the good or for tyhe bad. So its kinda pointless.