Do away with levels TOTALLY

[jcohen42]

Look, if they do away with levels totally, there is no point to being a long-term player. The entire purpose of playing year after year was moving up and playing tougher opposition. By getting rid of that, you are basically turning Top Eleven into a short-term adventure; you come in, you play a couple seasons, you get bored since you're not actually going anywhere, and you quit.

I know the new auction system has caused me to begin the quitting process; I have already uninstalled the app from my phone, and I only go on using my PC every so often now. If they were to remove levels altogether, I would quit on the spot. That is completely unacceptable and I am appalled anyone is actually entertaining the idea...

[gamer5289]

It's not so bad idea @jcohen42
meaning I 'm playing for my lv31 championship with lv40 or lv15 managers.
If I win, I 'm the champion of my LV31 League.
If the LV40 manager wins, he 'll be the champion of his LV40 league.

But there are few problems.

- People need some more adaptation.
Even if it was a year passed after the associations, I still can see many people who don't understand the new auctions system.
How the same player is 100 q for their team but 50 q for another manager or 200 q for a higher lv manager.
Or how a manager from a lower/starting lv can pay 100 M' for a player.

- Finance need an adjustment.
At lower levels it's very poor.

- The game play must have less randomness.
In asso games, many results have no sense (much more than the other official games)

- The league must have a variety of qualities and not all league teams with the same one.

@Niko
I feel it would be better to remove the levels totally. All are at same Level X (preferably a higher level).
Adaptation time, finances and quality variation between teams in league....I agree with all of them.
Randomness in game..... Do you remember how you would get huge wins at lower levels.
I feel the randomness in association matches is partly due to the fact that the match engine tries to normalize the teams to level 1.
At lower levels, if you play matches between teams differing by 5%, you would see crazy scorelines.
Im managing a new team at level 3 and can attest to this.
This sort of craziness is lower at higher levels...partly because the managers are more experienced and also since the absolute attributes of players are much higher.
So, the randomness can definitely be reduced by having the match engine normalize the teams to a higher level.

Im sure this is the way Nordeus are heading,
First Associations then this transfer system you just know what way it´s heading..

@Bunzo
I feel that too mate and I would be pleased to see it

Look, if they do away with levels totally, there is no point to being a long-term player. The entire purpose of playing year after year was moving up and playing tougher opposition. By getting rid of that, you are basically turning Top Eleven into a short-term adventure; you come in, you play a couple seasons, you get bored since you're not actually going anywhere, and you quit.

@jcohen
What do you mean by "moving up and playing tougher and tougher opposition".
By having levels you get clubbed with the same teams over and over again.
My main team is at level 18, and Im facing the atleast 5-6 opponents in league every season for last 4 seasons.
This makes the league kinda boring. You know what to expect.
Now, if you were to face 13 totally different teams every season, wouldnt that be more challenging?

Tell me what exactly a "level" signifies for managers.
Do you gain anything extra by gaining a level?
I certainly dont think so.
Then why have it in the first place.

[jcohen42]

@jcohen
What do you mean by "moving up and playing tougher and tougher opposition".
By having levels you get clubbed with the same teams over and over again.
My main team is at level 18, and Im facing the atleast 5-6 opponents in league every season for last 4 seasons.
This makes the league kinda boring. You know what to expect.
Now, if you were to face 13 totally different teams every season, wouldnt that be more challenging?

Tell me what exactly a "level" signifies for managers.
Do you gain anything extra by gaining a level?
I certainly dont think so.
Then why have it in the first place.

It is obvious we have a fundamental disagreement here, so I will not attempt to convince you any one way; I am merely going to tell you my philosophy.

Yes, you get matched up with the same clubs frequently. However, these clubs have different players, which can result in different tactics and different types of battles. It's like a chess match between managers; how do you try to get the upper hand over your rivals? Maybe you learn something from them the last time you've played them. Personally, I find rematches highly engaging and interesting. One way to put this is: do you think Barcelona and Real Madrid get tired of playing each other? No, they play each other because their matches make each other better, and the storylines from season to season between them are compelling.

What a level signifies to me is that it represents how often you have performed well in the League. It is a source of accomplishment to have a higher level, because it means that you've performed well for many seasons. While it doesn't change the mechanics of the game itself, it means that you're playing other managers who have also gone through the struggle of advancing to these higher levels, and so the competition keeps getting tighter as you have to beat other managers who are more and more experienced. I am a big fan of this incremental challenge, and it is pretty much the main reason why I have played this long.

I think there are some points that you make that are valid. I think Nordeus could do more to shake up the Leagues, since there are often lots of managers on one level that you never get matched with because of quality. However, I would much prefer to have the current system, where you develop relationships and rivalries with other teams as you compete with them more, as opposed to a system where you just match up against teams at random, and you never have an opportunity to really build anything meaningful with any of them.