Youth Academy, aka Useless academy (haha)

Is it just me or having academy "starlets" "graduates" or whatever you want to call them, appear at the end of the season seem useless to you? My youth center is maxed out but I always get the 4.1* and 2* offer of a player at the end of my seasons and I'm just like, why can't it produce higher leveled players? I know they are young but I have never signed one due to logical reasoning. We are at the end of the season, don't really need reinforcement especially one that won't make an immediate impact. By next season that 4.1* will drop to a 3.1* and will I ever use him even after promoting him back to 4*? Is there a way out there to make your youth offers have higher star levels?
I think that once the facility is maxed out you should be able to produce 5* to 6* youth players, or at least a 5* and a 4* instead of a 4* and a 3*. This is why i suggested a loan system before, these players could be starters 3 levels below me and can get enough training and game experience to become 7*, meaning when they return back to me they would be 5* players. If I want to loan them out again I can. Maybe there is something about this feature I am missing but I think it is utterly useless.

Although I am only a new manager ,even I can see that loan players would be a problem and too easily rorted. Think about it , you have 2 teams , 1 team about 2-4 levels above the other , who you going to loan these Academy players to ? Yourself and your lower level team is just getting great players for nearly nothing although the wages bill might be a problem at the lower levels of the game , maybe not so much once you reach a certain level.

loan players isnt good for this game, howewer, we really need improvement in youth players, it should at least be possible to chose what position needed for team, another option can be that we could send 4 star youth back to academy pay some tokens (3-6) and get 5-6 star player at start of next season and that player will have 5 year contract and cant be sold for 2 seasons. Another option could be to have youth team play friendly games with other youth teams to improve players - ages 18-22 - generated results without watching

I agree that the youth system needs to be improved. It all depends how much players are going for on the auctions. From your youth academy you can get an 18 year old fast trainer, 4* for 14 tokens. You then need to use a lot of greens to get him up to 5* or 6*, but he trains well. From the auction (mine at least) you can get an 18 year old fast trainer for 15-20 tokens (although it varies a lot). So for me, at the moment it's better to buy from auctions. If they increased the quality you got from the academy maybe the balance would shift.

I get 2 free 18 yo's a season, train a SA and maybe another position and sell them for 4 or 5 tokens next season, that's what the Academy is for me

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Originally Posted by gogs67

I get 2 free 18 yo's a season, train a SA and maybe another position and sell them for 4 or 5 tokens next season, that's what the Academy is for me

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excactly, that is most ppl do, including me from time to time, but...,you see, paying.6-12 tokens for better youth player, and spend few tokens more to get better player that need for team is more use for me than train and waiting someone to offer few tokens and in meantime need to fill gap in team and spending 15, 20 or more tokens on auctions or scouting

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Originally Posted by Ludo_Mansio

I agree that the youth system needs to be improved. It all depends how much players are going for on the auctions. From your youth academy you can get an 18 year old fast trainer, 4* for 14 tokens. You then need to use a lot of greens to get him up to 5* or 6*, but he trains well. From the auction (mine at least) you can get an 18 year old fast trainer for 15-20 tokens (although it varies a lot). So for me, at the moment it's better to buy from auctions. If they increased the quality you got from the academy maybe the balance would shift.

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Originally Posted by Ludo_Mansio

I agree that the youth system needs to be improved. It all depends how much players are going for on the auctions. From your youth academy you can get an 18 year old fast trainer, 4* for 14 tokens. You then need to use a lot of greens to get him up to 5* or 6*, but he trains well. From the auction (mine at least) you can get an 18 year old fast trainer for 15-20 tokens (although it varies a lot). So for me, at the moment it's better to buy from auctions. If they increased the quality you got from the academy maybe the balance would shift.

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4* - 10 tokens
5* - 14 tokens

Not so useless, quite fast if you develop them (especially the token one).

If you "that person" whose doesn't have much time , they are your best choice for fast trainer type player, well if you have more time for this game, you can wait them show up at the auction.

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Originally Posted by gogs67

I get 2 free 18 yo's a season, train a SA and maybe another position and sell them for 4 or 5 tokens next season, that's what the Academy is for me

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100% agree.

It’s hard to improve academy players


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I disagree about loaning, i think it can be done well. Think about it. To afford a loan you must pay a fee, I would make it a token fee, and you must afford their weekly wages. If we can loan at max 3 league levels under you (so a club lv 35 cant loan to a club lv 1 or 2), it would be perfect. There is a HUGE difference in wages of a 5 or 6 star player at league lv 8 than one at league lv 11 or 10. A loan that is basically buying a good player would feel just like that. A loss of tokens and money. And because of stars a 5 star lv at league 8 is a 2 star player at leage lv 11, perfect time to loan your late twenties 3rd choice players and maybe they return with some life and help the team. If they didnt improve you can offer a permanent switch so that team can continue to use them for as long as they want. It wouldnt be broken, wouldnt require too many restrictions. And i know they did it before with associations but im talking league only.

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Originally Posted by TheWhiteKirby

I disagree about loaning, i think it can be done well. Think about it. To afford a loan you must pay a fee, I would make it a token fee, and you must afford their weekly wages. If we can loan at max 3 league levels under you (so a club lv 35 cant loan to a club lv 1 or 2), it would be perfect. There is a HUGE difference in wages of a 5 or 6 star player at league lv 8 than one at league lv 11 or 10. A loan that is basically buying a good player would feel just like that. A loss of tokens and money. And because of stars a 5 star lv at league 8 is a 2 star player at leage lv 11, perfect time to loan your late twenties 3rd choice players and maybe they return with some life and help the team. If they didnt improve you can offer a permanent switch so that team can continue to use them for as long as they want. It wouldnt be broken, wouldnt require too many restrictions. And i know they did it before with associations but im talking league only.

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How many tokens supposed to pay for loan player? What quality will be maximum? Because if you can pay 2 tokens for 9 stars player, manipulation for this will be borderless.

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Originally Posted by TheWhiteKirby

I disagree about loaning, i think it can be done well. Think about it. To afford a loan you must pay a fee, I would make it a token fee, and you must afford their weekly wages. If we can loan at max 3 league levels under you (so a club lv 35 cant loan to a club lv 1 or 2), it would be perfect. There is a HUGE difference in wages of a 5 or 6 star player at league lv 8 than one at league lv 11 or 10. A loan that is basically buying a good player would feel just like that. A loss of tokens and money. And because of stars a 5 star lv at league 8 is a 2 star player at leage lv 11, perfect time to loan your late twenties 3rd choice players and maybe they return with some life and help the team. If they didnt improve you can offer a permanent switch so that team can continue to use them for as long as they want. It wouldnt be broken, wouldnt require too many restrictions. And i know they did it before with associations but im talking league only.

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Cant work because it wont work because......................human nature. Isnt there enough manipulation and outright cheating already in this game without gift wrapping the perfect manipulation tool to these same people ?

How can u manipulate getting at max a 6 star player from a loan? Thats not a strong manipulation thats basically an auction buy. With the parameters i hypothetically set theres no qay to abuse it lol. The only way is if someone loans a 7 star player (for some reason) to someone else and if that happens then the loaner lost out on an obvious key player so their loss

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Anyone who thinks that (re-) introducing a loan system won't foster abuse and manipulation obviously weren't around when loans in Associations were possible...

If u get a 9 star from a loan (lol) that means someone from 3 lvls higher gave you their 6 star player who should and would be a part of their starting 11. Also the wage fee would cost them as much as it costs u, that would be a large chunk of cash to bring that 9 star to your club. If a league 12 6 star makes 30mil a week in wages thats the lump sum the loaner has to pay upfront. 30 mil. Thats an average teams whole budget. On top of the fee of tokens and signimg on fee which would be more money. Thats like a 15-20 token, 45 mil deal right there lol with the loaner club making some tokens like 7 tokens from that

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have never bothered with youth players sell cheaper one get money and reject other,complete waste of building time

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Originally Posted by TheWhiteKirby

If u get a 9 star from a loan (lol) that means someone from 3 lvls higher gave you their 6 star player who should and would be a part of their starting 11. Also the wage fee would cost them as much as it costs u, that would be a large chunk of cash to bring that 9 star to your club. If a league 12 6 star makes 30mil a week in wages thats the lump sum the loaner has to pay upfront. 30 mil. Thats an average teams whole budget. On top of the fee of tokens and signimg on fee which would be more money. Thats like a 15-20 token, 45 mil deal right there lol with the loaner club making some tokens like 7 tokens from that

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You have to learn a lot about this game. No offense you.

Just can say you that money is nothing above 20 level (or so) you can have billions. I can keep 22 6 stars players in my team and give 7-8 from them to another manager using loan system.

Besides that loan players simply wouldn't work, there is definitely a way to make the cheapest youth player usefull especially at the end of a season.
I train them up to 19% or 39% and start a specialty training.
The moment the new season has started, I'm getting offers, ask 4-5 tokens for them and usually sell them quite quickly

I wish I could talk to you guys lol it's so hard to explain it in text I guess. It makes nothing but perfect sense to me but I can't express it well enough I guess

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Originally Posted by TheWhiteKirby

I wish I could talk to you guys lol it's so hard to explain it in text I guess. It makes nothing but perfect sense to me but I can't express it well enough I guess

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I don't think so. It just doesn't work in this game. It would be to unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

Besides that loan players simply wouldn't work, there is definitely a way to make the cheapest youth player usefull especially at the end of a season.
I train them up to 19% or 39% and start a specialty training.
The moment the new season has started, I'm getting offers, ask 4-5 tokens for them and usually sell them quite quickly

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Earning on youth or use potential of youth? Here is about...


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So far İ had 3 Academy player for my Scoud and all of them are fast trainer player so , Academy isnt usesless for me :))

Youth players should be allowed to leave on loan to get game time, can you make this happen Top eleven? In real football this happens


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It would be easy you define what you wish for the player, position, stars, abilities and the academy showed the nember of days increasing as you inceased the quality demanded

Obviously not two tokens for 9* players. Most likely a season-long loan for a 9* star player would be around 25-30 tokens PLUS paying their weekly wages and a loan fee like in real life. Like I said- it would be an option but not an exploit. A 5* star player could have a loan fee of like 7-9 tokens, some millions depending on league level and their weekly wages. Just like in actual football, depending on the quality of player, it is sometimes cheaper to buy a player of less quality than loan a player of extraordinary quality.