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Rather than clutter up my regular showcase thread, I am starting this one. It is a showcase for injuries.
Here I am going to note every injury (and purchase of reds if that happens) for two Teams,
my main one BvB, and a 35T Team the StL Steamers. Both Teams in Champs League so should for awhile have similiar number of matches.
Currently 2 players recovering from last Season on BvB (tomorrow healed), none yet injured this Season. 14 reds in stock.
StL Steamers no injuries, 31 reds in stock.
Doing training on BvB:
Hassan Zakaria, 4 days ACL tear from regular Stretching
The Team has 15 reds in stock, not using on him. His roles are DL/DC/DR, but I'll just play narrow back line when other wingbacks tired. I may take a day off his time in a couple days, I will get 7 more reds.
I Had 11 days off on my best MC guy while doing stretching on medium intensity :D Nice aint it haha-15tokens gone awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
down to 19reds ><
Do u heal ur players or just let me rest?^^
I will heal if I totally need them for a match, but I have a lot of role coverage on BvB, on the Steamers not so much but will play guys OOP if needed so can avoid most healing. On the guys I know need to keep playing and training to keep up with ther Team, mostly older favorites, I will take a day or two off if I still will have 15 reds for emergency. If I can I let 'em sit out a match after they come back, I will... Not always possible though.
BvB:
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So Zakaria continues to sit, I used 15 reds on Tkachuck so I only have 3 left, but will get 7 tomorrow.
StL Steamers:
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He will sit out, though he's an AML/ML, I have an ML (single role) that will play instead, the team has 18 reds at this time.
I've got a log running....but I'm not posting pics, folks will just need to trust me. I've decided to use a single post in my showcase and link it to a Visitor message on my profile - then I know where it is. ;)
StL Steamers:
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he'll sit.
Bad manager! I got my youth today on BvB and the 24T one was an MC (see regular showcase) and so I wound up selling Tkachuck!!!
Seriously, wasted reds there.
Both Teams: Everyone has healed, no new injuries. :D
BvB: No injuries, Team has 15 reds
StL Steamers: Attachment 26873
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Got reds today so took a couple days off, leaving the Team with 17 reds
I'm beginning to be pretty sure CARDS are related to MORALE as well as Orders & Arrows, since the teams I have with all green morale have least cards..
PT'd a bit: http://forum.topeleven.com/team-show...tml#post272765
so this happened...
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The Team had 26 red boosters, and now had 12.
Then this happened:
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Now 0 reds. I'm going to quit with the training except for the teenagers.
StlSteamers: no injuries, 19 red.
StL Steamers:
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sold, was only 3*
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Fixed, important guy. Team down to 6 reds, so
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Sits, good MC, might fix in a couple days when I get reds generated.
BvB:
PT'ing spawns more, but since was expected I bought 50 reds.
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After fixing them the Team currently has 28 reds. I stopped PTing since my Team's doing crappy, it might have been too much training? Dunno. Will train more next week.
BvB:
Since I'm losing/drawing/getting crap results I decided what the heck might as well train those that are near a star and the younger guys... (cos I wuz bored) so of course:
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Fixed. Team down to 7 reds
StL Steamers:
This Team is actually playing more matches than BvB -- still in the Cup!
Though that might end with next match. Santos still sitting, Team has 7 reds.
BvB, more training (& a friendly)... more injuries:
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Pretty much every injury, besides Tkachuck, on BvB has been due to Power/Training.
Bought another packet of reds, now have 24
Bad run of luck. :(
My new striker managed to pick up injuries in consecutive matches (was a must win Cup match so I had to try) - only thing more consistent than his injuries is his goals..
I'm not getting any injuries at all. It's almost suspicious...
A couple of my Teams have hardly any, but they arejust playing League.
All the BvB injuries are Manager's fault bar one. So, if I *hadn't* power trained I reckon I wouldn't have gotten any, or maybe only 1, injury. I'm only training one guy now.
The StL Steamers are a more typical Team, and not much extra training at all since they are in 3 comps. Also most of the players I have skewed for physical on both Teams.
Santos still sitting. Team has 14 reds.
StL Steamers: Santos comes back day change, thank goodness. Got another one:
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I have 2 dr's and was trying to decide which I liked... I like the one who isnt hurt, so Shaaban is for sale now. Team has 14 reds.
BvB:
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The Team cannot do without his talent, 15 reds spent instantly. Team now has 17 reds.
BvB:
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Healed to one day, team has 10 reds.
StL Steamers: all healthy, 23 reds.
forgot to post these..
StL Steamers:
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They've been sitting, then this happened:
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The team had 34 reds today so I took a day off Milo Brankovic & Phil Jones, leaving 24 reds.
BvB:
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Pee Wee's been sitting, Tomy got healed. Team now has 10 reds.
StL:
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He's sitting, only League games now. Team has 30 reds. (watched some videos)
BvB:
Been training some... at the end of the Season that's just asking for it:
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Healed, team has 25 reds (yay videos!)
StL:
He'll keep the GK company for a few days:
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Still doing training until I run out of greens on BvB, so likely more injuries will result.
StL:
44 days: 23 from matches, 21 from Training
BvB:
47 days: 23 days from Matches, 2 injuries, 44 days from Training (all at hard intensity) 11 injuries
So, what can I conclude? well, on BvB the more severe injuries were from matches, and Power Training resulted in lots of 2-4 day injuries; on the Steamers it was less skewed as all training was normal intensity, and more matches were played by the team.
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Well, for a change I think I will *not* power train my guys on BvB this Season, to find find out what my best expectations of injuries should be.
So no hard intensity, and only greens generated by facilities from this point on.
...And not letting any get below 75% condition.
I did already blow 100 greens training the 22 and unders:
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I build all of my Teams with high physical skills, and play similar formations et al, so comparing two is somewhat possible but I can't control for differences in level, I do have two only a level apart, BvB and f.f.b. Both have fully upgraded facilties.
So this season, f.f.b. is tanking. Players will never get ABOVE 80% condition, they will be constantly trained or playing. But I will play legal formations and the same order as usual so morale will take a little more time to get to 0, I aim to stay around 8th place so I might win some.
I figure that should give me the worst possible scenario for a team of mine to pile up injuries.
:D
Oh yeah! So they both have research center and on BvB I will heal short injuries to one day and over 5 days completely, on f.f.b I might sell if its a low Q guy, and heal only if its necessary for a non league match.
BvB has 50 reds. f.f.b has 44.
And I can't bring myself to train them below 50%, so that will be minimum condition point for f.f.b.
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In fact a few of those players started life on BvB so this should be a good comparison.
good luck with having not too many injuries! i have bad luck lately with injuries, my stock on reds is on an all time low -.-
They do seem to happen in clumps sometimes. :) Good luck to you too!
No injury yet on BvB.
Unsurprisingly one on f.f.b.:
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No injuries on BvB.
On f.f.b (now Chatty FC. yep. hahaha) I sold off a couple players (yeah after I changed the name. huh.) and am trying to find a couple young guys to add to the team, keeping only the best old guys:
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Matt Sutalo will come back tmorrow. I tried to sell him but he's a youth o' mine with a crazy price tag no one will pay for an MC, so i'm stuck with him, which is fine.. he'll be better next season.
SHOCKINGLY no new injuries.. and I've been keeping them in that 55% range.
No injuries on BvB.:D
Chatty on the other hand...
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yep.
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First injury this season on BvB, it was extra training cos I got 7 greens. Normal Cardio:
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He will sit.
Chatty got another injury. But I'm shocked to say they are still in a promotion spot. I think this is proof that on a server with many teams at a level it takes into account quality if there are no friends on that level.
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The guy I tried to sell but couldn't due to his high price tag just set a new record for a player of mine in training:
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Second injury (in training Normal Cardio) for BvB:
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Healed, unfortunately I need him today, hope he doesn't get hurt again, I'll sub him out at the half.
No new injuries on Chatty.
BvB:
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Healed, sat a match out
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Took a day off.
Chatty FC... well.. I *thought* I was tanking. but it's such a weak League... I might get a CL spot without trying. Huh.
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Still training all the time and keeping them less than 60%. On new guys I'm assigning a few points to physical and stopping when I have it a bit more than main skill.
BvB:
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Healed. Need him.
Chatty FC:
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Maybe he wanted to go to his hairstylist.. anyway he's off.
Chatty's made it into CL spot (4th) which is way more than I can say for BvB. :(
Chatty: It's really amazing tio me, the team is in FOURTH!! Even on half condition my teams has being doing well in such a weak League. No new injuries.
BvB:
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Ooops. I trained everyone on hard match (meant it to be normal). So I healed him, but I prolly shouldn't have bothered. I don't think I'm going to promote this Season. :( I might still win CL though...
Attachment 29754 normal intensity cardio.
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I havent tallied it yet, but I feel sure that BvB had more injury time lost than Chatty! It makes no sense. I trained the heck out of that team! Hardly any injury. I do a few trainings on BvB and see above what happened. Bah. So much for logic. But I do think I can take the average of the two teams as a guide for a team of mine's average expected injuries and at least plan my reds accordingly.
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Start of season, always a few injuries.. Chatty will be training normally this season, including the use of greens when the facility spits them out, but they will be mostly rested for matches. BvB will also be lightly trained
BvB:
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I don't currently have so many reds, I healed Pee Wee 'cos the training was to get his next star (missing promotion has helped my old guys a lot, Tomas Tlusty will probably get back his 5th star too this Season) The other two I healed to one day left. Which leaves me with 15 reds...
Speaking of missing promotion, I had to unfriend Chatty FC for the League draw,
having those two in same League would be ...ridiculous:
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Chatty:
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Attachment 30180 he gets to sit out and have his hair done. :D
You are getting to many injuries form hard training... The only difference between hard and normal training is time... Using hard training you click it once, and using normal training you click it once and the you wait 15/30/60 minutes to click it once more. Final result is the same (you get the same range of skill progression for the same amount of condition), except your players have much more chance to get injured training hard... Btw, training any player age 30+ is waste of time, and those 26+ players wont get more than 1 quality point per season, unless they were fast trainers when young and played almost all games in the season to get 2 quality points...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
i wrote to Nordeus on Twitter, currently i have 1 injury per game, i dont train additionally and have mentality and health on very high. they are looking into it, at least thats what they told me. i think its a bug in their game. not sure if you noticed it already, playing this season is much harder, no counter formation working and a lot of time illegal formation brings you a win
All but 2 players of BvB were fast trainers. Several were the fastest. I choose hard training when I don't have time to log in several times in a day, and I do know what the odds of my guys getting injured are now (fairly low, compared to the complaints of many on here that I have seen in 18 seasons, like the post above) and am willing to spend the reds when I use hard training. BvB is the only one of my Teams I do that, the 35T and farm team(s) I NEVER use hard training, except for..Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppenwolf
It was an experiment with Chatty last season keeping the condition low and training hard, it was purposely done to be as bad for the players as possible.
On BvB, I have the preference to keep them a LONG time, so I train everybody using up natural condition (leaving them ~96-99%@ match time), the young guys more with a green or 2, and always if they are near to getting a point at the end of the day they get it. The very oldest guys do play every possible game in a season, especially Reeder (will retire soon, 32. He's played about 25 matches a season in his career since I bought him at 18) and Wallace, who is 26. You have forgotten the points they get for MOtM. PeeWee usually gets a lot, as does Reeder. I forgot gift points, too.. Reeder just got one. :D
Steppenwolf, thanks for your input, but this thread was not soliciting advice.
It is a record of how many injuries a Team gets, for others' information and a record for me.
Couple more on BvB got broken:
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Attachment 30273 healed to 1 day
Chatty:
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Attachment 30275 Both healed to 1 day left
Not too bad so far. :)
