R.I.P. Free Booster Videos

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Originally Posted by magic3

If I have another son I will name him after my best player. Just kidding, my wife already hates this game enough lol

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If I did that I'd have a slight problem...

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Sorry, this is news to me...they fixed it???

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Since last season. Actually for a couple of days if the keeper injured you took like 4 goals in 4 minutes until sub, then i guess they recoded that too.

It's now been a whole WEEK since the booster buttons were removed.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

It's now been a whole WEEK since the booster buttons were removed.

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It was 12 hrs since the last post b4 u posted that!

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Originally Posted by reddeviljohn

It was 12 hrs since the last post b4 u posted that!

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There is still a long way to go yet.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

There is still a long way to go yet.

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I've got a feeling, if they do reintroduce it, it won't be for a very very long time!

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Originally Posted by reddeviljohn

I've got a feeling, if they do reintroduce it, it won't be for a very very long time!

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That's what I'm thinking, they are probably waiting to see what effect it has on the game token buying wise.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

That's what I'm thinking, they are probably waiting to see what effect it has on the game token buying wise.

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I wasted a ton on those 2 cup finals and it did not help the result at all!

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Originally Posted by cracicot

100% true.

I hardly think that they make the majority of their money on videos anyways. Maybe 5-10% tops. Of course, should that income stream disappear, they have to have other ways to make up for it (increasing injuries always does the trick methinks!)

Still, you factor in all the free boosters and they might even lose money on the videos --> People get tons of free boosters = People dont buy enough boosters = they dont waste enough tokens = they dont spend enough money.

If I were Nordeus, and if I could survive without the revenue stream of the booster vids, I would just not bring them back. If I did, it would be programmed to only view once per account, per day, regardless of your browser.

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If I may .... a quick search will show that Nordeus would have an annual turnover of over 1B Euro (based on 2011 when they signed with BWin and reportedly had a proforma revenue of 800M Euro with an EBITDA of 200MEuro...very healthy!). Also reportedly, anywhere between 2M to 5M monthly (active) users on T11. Even at half the low watermark - at 1M users buying an average of $25/- tokens per month... on the very low side - thats a revenue stream of 300M$?!? If those rather conservative 1M users click an average of 2 vids / day - thats 60M clicks a month & 720M clicks a year ... at 1cent a click (fair?).. thats only 7.2M$. The rest presumably comes from grants, advertising, branding etc ...

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If I were Nordeus management :-) and were willing to trade off 50% of "click-revenue" for a 5% increase in token revenue... wouldnt need to go to any business school to figure that out...

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Originally Posted by reddeviljohn

I wasted a ton on those 2 cup finals and it did not help the result at all!

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£100?

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

£100?

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No, I just meant I had used a lot what I had already saved up, no actual money has changed hands yet.

I use it once but I never received anything

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Originally Posted by rdsouza

If I may .... a quick search will show that Nordeus would have an annual turnover of over 1B Euro (based on 2011 when they signed with BWin and reportedly had a proforma revenue of 800M Euro with an EBITDA of 200MEuro...very healthy!). Also reportedly, anywhere between 2M to 5M monthly (active) users on T11. Even at half the low watermark - at 1M users buying an average of $25/- tokens per month... on the very low side - thats a revenue stream of 300M$?!? If those rather conservative 1M users click an average of 2 vids / day - thats 60M clicks a month & 720M clicks a year ... at 1cent a click (fair?).. thats only 7.2M$. The rest presumably comes from grants, advertising, branding etc ...

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If I were Nordeus management :-) and were willing to trade off 50% of "click-revenue" for a 5% increase in token revenue... wouldnt need to go to any business school to figure that out...

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Exactly. I suspected that the vid revenue was small peanuts. If this be true, then say bye-bye to the booster vids for a loooooooooooong time folks.

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Originally Posted by rdsouza

1M users click an average of 2 vids / day - thats 60M clicks a month & 720M clicks a year ... at 1cent a click (fair?).. thats only 7.2M$.

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Well, I think you are too low with 1 cent per view... This sort of ads usually are much more expensive for the advertiser. Would calculate with at least 3 to 5 cent and as T11 has a very interesting audience for advertisers that usually cannot be reached very easy it even might be more...

Et ceterum censeo Videos should be boycotted until Nordeus rewards them with boosters again!

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Originally Posted by guido

Well, I think you are too low with 1 cent per view... This sort of ads usually are much more expensive for the advertiser. Would calculate with at least 3 to 5 cent and as T11 has a very interesting audience for advertisers that usually cannot be reached very easy it even might be more...

Et ceterum censeo Videos should be boycotted until Nordeus rewards them with boosters again!

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Even with your revised numbers, it is hardly worth keeping the booster videos compared to what they can make on tokens.

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Originally Posted by rdsouza

If I may .... a quick search will show that Nordeus would have an annual turnover of over 1B Euro (based on 2011 when they signed with BWin and reportedly had a proforma revenue of 800M Euro with an EBITDA of 200MEuro...very healthy!). Also reportedly, anywhere between 2M to 5M monthly (active) users on T11. Even at half the low watermark - at 1M users buying an average of $25/- tokens per month... on the very low side - thats a revenue stream of 300M$?!? If those rather conservative 1M users click an average of 2 vids / day - thats 60M clicks a month & 720M clicks a year ... at 1cent a click (fair?).. thats only 7.2M$. The rest presumably comes from grants, advertising, branding etc ...

Now,
If I were Nordeus management :-) and were willing to trade off 50% of "click-revenue" for a 5% increase in token revenue... wouldnt need to go to any business school to figure that out...

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confused? on how many things you get wrong imo.. you are deluded to think Token buyers are about 15%-20% of T11 users, you must be joking ..!! i played 7 seasons till now, I think token buyers are not that 1% of game users, i only had seen only about 5 token buyers in a league or CL out of possible 546 teams , this is a rating of 1% and all were spending like 200-300T in average , which give a total of let us say 2000T=$200, so overall is 550 teams spend together about $200, so for buying tokens, this is equal to 32p per user for a whole season .. i used to click 10-20 videos a day . so that is 15p a day ( $4.2 a season) and that is for 1P per ads and i think it is more , i actually hit 30 videos at times.. ok let us say not all have access to videos, so let us give it 4-5 per person a day, and let us say it is 2P per video that is still $2.42 a season ... 15 times more than token buyers ... Token buyers aren't that many or pay that much ..

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Even with your revised numbers, it is hardly worth keeping the booster videos compared to what they can make on tokens.

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first above numbers are not correct .. at least compared to what i seen in 7 seasons in league and CL.. but ignore that what you forget to consider is that with less competition why token buyers need to buy more tokens? it is a domino effect , ex: look to how chelsea investment led other to spend more as they raised the bar higher, so nordeus need to aim to do the same, give them non token buyers enough competition to push token buyers to invest more, in the same time not much to pi$$ of token buyers who want to win at the end after investing alot .. they need to keep the balance right , less competition = less token needed for buyers

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

first above numbers are not correct .. at least compared to what i seen in 7 seasons in league and CL.. but ignore that what you forget to consider is that with less competition why token buyers need to buy more tokens? it is a domino effect , ex: look to how chelsea investment led other to spend more as they raised the bar higher, so nordeus need to aim to do the same, give them non token buyers enough competition to push token buyers to invest more, in the same time not much to pi$$ of token buyers who want to win at the end after investing alot .. they need to keep the balance right , less competition = less token needed for buyers

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First, nobody but investors and Nordeus have the exact numbers for income from T11. Everything else is speculation. Your experiences are specific to your server and the servers of your friends and arent even a fraction of what is most likely out there.

We can assume a few things if you want:

1) 1M users buying tokens per month out of 11M - taking into account the amount of multi-accounts.
2) Avg buy = $20/month
3) $20M/month on token buying alone, close to $250M/year.

These numbers are ones I have stated in a previous post before, or close to them. They are also very similar to the ones from the previous post in this thread. I would tend to believe these are pretty damn close considering we dont have specific published info in our hands.

What is up in the air is the amount paid per view for the videos. Red Bull reached 5M views of its youtube add in ONE WEEK. Typically, you'll see PPV ads costing anywhere from .015-.02 cents per view, but you do get paid every single time someone sees the ad. So with 1M views per week, that is $60K/month. That doesnt even cover their yacht payments! but at $800K/year, it is a nice lump of cash.
Assuming the above numbers, that would put their income from clicks at 0.3% of their total yearly income, which is peanuts.

We can be extremely generous with their video income numbers and less generous with their yearly income and they will still have income from videos to be under 5% of their yearly income, simply because they make peanuts per view.

I would like to repeat that I can only speculate on their numbers. I have an good source on what they get paid for each view, so I believe that my numbers can hold up as long as we have a good idea on what we think they make on tokens per month/year. Again, my numbers are not necessarily correct, but I try to research them as best as I can without spending all my waking hours on something I really dont care about. I do this for the debate and because I am curious about what they make and pay.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

First, nobody but investors and Nordeus have the exact numbers for income from T11. Everything else is speculation. Your experiences are specific to your server and the servers of your friends and arent even a fraction of what is most likely out there.

We can assume a few things if you want:

1) 1M users buying tokens per month out of 11M - taking into account the amount of multi-accounts.
2) Avg buy = $20/month
3) $20M/month on token buying alone, close to $250M/year.

These numbers are ones I have stated in a previous post before, or close to them. They are also very similar to the ones from the previous post in this thread. I would tend to believe these are pretty damn close considering we dont have specific published info in our hands.

What is up in the air is the amount paid per view for the videos. Red Bull reached 5M views of its youtube add in ONE WEEK. Typically, you'll see PPV ads costing anywhere from .015-.02 cents per view, but you do get paid every single time someone sees the ad. So with 1M views per week, that is $60K/month. That doesnt even cover their yacht payments! but at $800K/year, it is a nice lump of cash.
Assuming the above numbers, that would put their income from clicks at 0.3% of their total yearly income, which is peanuts.

We can be extremely generous with their video income numbers and less generous with their yearly income and they will still have income from videos to be under 5% of their yearly income, simply because they make peanuts per view.

I would like to repeat that I can only speculate on their numbers. I have an good source on what they get paid for each view, so I believe that my numbers can hold up as long as we have a good idea on what we think they make on tokens per month/year. Again, my numbers are not necessarily correct, but I try to research them as best as I can without spending all my waking hours on something I really dont care about. I do this for the debate and because I am curious about what they make and pay.

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1- 1m out of 11m buying tokens!!! .. you must be joking? it is 1% at best not 10%.. how many teams you seen in your league were tokens buyers in your last 6 seasons , meaning have more than 6-8 scouts? rememberpeople can buy scouts with offers, and farming like me , and i have full teams of scouts 17 of them are scouts and all from farming
you forget that many of that 11m are double or 4th or 6 accounts (i have 6 personally, 4 or boosters and 2 to test formations ) .. and many are inactive managers
you must be dreaming to think more than 1% pay for this game
from 11m, less than 1% pay, that is about 100k paying $20 a month ($240 a year), that is equal of 24m

2- clicks are not $0.01 .. are you joking? i seen google ads paying from $0.03 to $0.8 , if each of those 11m clicked 4 video a day = 1344 a year, is equal $40 (if $0,03) = $440m, even at $0.01 it will be $13.44 = $146m

$146m> $24m
and that is if it is $0.01 per ads not $0.03 or more

for GOD sake sites like facebook and others live on ads alone .. you are really underestimating the power of ads

2- you forget that without token farmers , less competition meaning token buyers need to spend less now

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

1- 1m out of 11m buying tokens!!! .. you must be joking? it is 1% at best not 10%.. how many teams you seen in your league were tokens buyers in your last 6 seasons , meaning have more than 6-8 scouts? rememberpeople can buy scouts with offers, and farming like me , and i have full teams of scouts 17 of them are scouts and all from farming
you forget that many of that 11m are double or 4th or 6 accounts (i have 6 personally, 4 or boosters and 2 to test formations ) .. and many are inactive managers
you must be dreaming to think more than 1% pay for this game
from 11m, less than 1% pay, that is about 100k paying $20 a month ($240 a year), that is equal of 24m

2- clicks are not $0.01 .. are you joking? i seen google ads paying from $0.03 to $0.8 , if each of those 11m clicked 4 video a day = 1344 a year, is equal $40 (if $0,03) = $440m, even at $0.01 it will be $13.44 = $146m

$146m> $24m
and that is if it is $0.01 per ads not $0.03 or more

for GOD sake sites like facebook and others live on ads alone .. you are really underestimating the power of ads

2- you forget that without token farmers , less competition meaning token buyers need to spend less now

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Your numbers for clicks are way too high. I did the research. These are not google ads, which are pay per click, these are pay per view ads which pay much much less.

Follow the Money with PPV Advertising - 'Net Features - Website Magazine

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Your numbers for clicks are way too high. I did the research. These are not google ads, which are pay per click, these are pay per view ads which pay much much less.

Follow the Money with PPV Advertising - 'Net Features - Website Magazine

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man i give you the price of the minimum which is 0.01 and still is 6 times more than token buyers

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Originally Posted by Blupp Haikiss

just an example what kind of videos we had to watch in germany. 1st time i found it funny anyhow, but then i started to get confused. Do the rest of the world think we all wear "Lederhosen" :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTi3XZQTQo

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What, you don't wear lederhosen??!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by bluenosebob

What, you don't wear lederhosen??!!! ;)

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Before i wear lederhosen, i'll wear pink hotpants...

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Originally Posted by reddeviljohn View Post
I have an answer from my support ticket and here it is:

Hi John,

Thank you for contacting us

We are aware there is a problem with free boosters on facebook app.

Our developers are working on this issue. We hope they will find a solution for this as soon as possible.

PS: Top Eleven tip ‘’Do not forget to set penalty takers order’’

Thank you for your patience and effort to improve our game.

Top Eleven Support Team

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So, more than a week has gone. A new Season has started and you were not able to "fix" it already??
Damn, so i have to buy 1000 tokens to be competitive...:p:p:p:p:p:rolleyes:

Haha, its starting to get really really^10 ridiculous. Now the free token vids are gone. They are clickable but it says, "not available at this time" since more than 12h. Oh what a wonder @ seasonstart were everyone needs new players. Do Nordeus think we are all morons with IQ60? I'll bump this thread until something happens and dont buy tokens until something happens. Everyone who cant see this is really a moron, sry...

I noticed on level 3 today my morale and condition went down alot more after the cup game than normal, does this happen as you move up levels ??

I watch 3 vids and it says I have been rewarded 1 token then when I check tokens it is not there!

Bump...i still wait for the fix...??!

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Originally Posted by MDKII

There have been no official responses because there aren't any new updates we can share at this point. We said we would return the Booster Videos and we will, but sadly, we aren't able to give a specific timeframe on this yet. It is not just a matter of bringing a button back.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused to you all. As soon as I know more, I'll let you know.

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this, any idea yet ?

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Originally Posted by spornybol

this, any idea yet ?

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Sure they have an idea, they are waiting to see what the results are in terms of income loss before they decide to bring it back. This is just a test to see what happens to their paychecks.

Hmmm ... this is a social platform right? and social media brings down governments... recent events have proven ...why not start a facebook petition to Branko Milutinović - im sure even 100000 users will get quite a bit of publicity and attention :-)... perhaps the privacy of this forum is smothering what could be ...

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Sure they have an idea, they are waiting to see what the results are in terms of income loss before they decide to bring it back. This is just a test to see what happens to their paychecks.

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good for them,
for me, i already retired and not watching my team in level 8 and joined T35 league instead clicking zero offer .. just waiting till new FM14 is out ..

Nord are starting to sound like a Serbian branch of EA :eek:

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Originally Posted by Haroon Bhatti

Nord are starting to sound like a Serbian branch of EA :eek:

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Zynga.

I now can't get tokens from vids?

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Originally Posted by reddeviljohn

I now can't get tokens from vids?

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I got my tokens from my accounts.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

I got my tokens from my accounts.

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What 1 a day except on 4th when you get 2?

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Originally Posted by Haroon Bhatti

Nord are starting to sound like a Serbian branch of EA :eek:

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you must be joking!! EA knows how to run a business and creative enough to not rely on cheap methods like Nordeus

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

you must be joking!! EA knows how to run a business and creative enough to not rely on cheap methods like Nordeus

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EA Named ‘Worst Company in America’ Again - IGN

I joke not, EA are a terrible money grabbing company who have absolutely no regard for the millions of people who buy their games every year. Just check the latest iteration of Sim City, an absolute farce.