Jumpers

Whats a jumper, some might ask?
Others may have a different name for it, but I call them jumpers. In short, a jumper is someone who deliberately stay on the same level. The jumper benefit from this the season to come, giving them two seasons to upgrade thier squad.

There is nothing illegal nor unethnical about it. In fact is very common. It has become a money saving tactic that givs the player twice the time to improve the squad.

Of cause jumping is not something new. I and everybody else has been awhere about this tactics from early levels. Not very pleasant to spot jumpers in the league in the beginning of the season, but some thing you just have to deal with.

At higher levels (12 and above) this becoms more like the rule than the exception, and this of cause makes things more difficult. Right now I play at level 17 and in my league I have 7 newly jumped teams. Yes, not one, two or three, but SEVEN!!! Of cause my chances of winning the league this season is, if not impossible, rather slim. So I have to decide am I accepting the situation and just move on with slim chance winning any more leagues, or will I jump?

It is not the players (jumpers) that is the problem, they are only adapting to the rules, it is the system.

I believe Nordeus has to figure some thing out in this matter to make "Top eleven" survive and keep beeing a fun game after season 12. This is not the only problem higher level players will face. Other problems are lack of good players in the transfer list.

So, should I jump or should I go?!?

Kick they're buts and win!

btw. I would call them Bunkers not Jumpers ;-)

i dont understand it at all. the only thing i can think is that they want to win a league at every level which is a bit pointless. unless there is a 'premier league' and i mean, the top, top level, there is no point. the aim of this game imo, is to achieve promotion, league titles are just a bonus. i would consider the cups more important than league titles, with promotion the most important thing. but i guess other people have different goals, upto them.

if someone could explain their reasons?

how can you tell it's deliberate? Watched them tank? i am just wondering if maybe some genuinely just missed promotion?
i agree though it seems a weird thing to do

I think the thing is, grew up young Players from Academy, and save money for another season to buyout a lot of scout players and win the cup and cl easy. That's the only point in not take the next league.

theres a guy in my league who i think is tanking, his ave rating is around the same as mine and hes playing narrowly. hes around 10th

Yeah I'm L20 and the same thing happens around my server as well as the OP, yes there are many teams that have "Tanked" which is delibrately missed out on promotion to have another go at winning the title the following season, but there are also teams that miss out because the active number of teams per league is higher than 7, meaning that some do miss out just because they had a poor season. I've noticed this kind of thing from around L15+, not sure what its like around on my server now on the levels that are in the lower to mid teens, but I'd imagine it still happens.

I guess tanking is not too bad of a strategy if you are not able to farm any tokens and are a non-T buyer because at the end of the day, you don't exactly receive any sort of penalty for not promoting, you only end up a little further away from the servers top level and don't play in the next seasons CL that is it really.

I think like fall.
I don't understand the jumping: if you promote with luck, you'll make even more money by staying a season in a higher league.
But I don't understand you neither. Why is there a complaint here ? Try your best and if the seven jumpers take the 7 first places, then you'll stay in this league without being a jumper. But if you manage your way up, then it will be a great success.
I think that you are monomaniac about gaining each league each season and you are about to think like those jumpers you despite: 'If I want to gain my league, i'll have to stay in this league this season and become a jumper'.

TLDR;
If you don't want to be like the 7 guys you are referring to, then you have to struggle to make you way up.

Maybe that is more correct!:)

how can you guys tell that these people tanked it a season before?

Im tanking, jumping or what ever you want to call it this season. Ive stopped investing money into this game a few seasons ago so its either get promoted and be mediocre or tank, save up skill points and have a good run at it next season, ive never seen anything wrong with it. Its actually been a 2 season plan though, every player i bought last season and this has been 18 years old, some better than others but all pretty fast trainers, though no fast enough to be more than average if im promoted. Its not just about staying in a level to win the league next year but also to catch up on my construction, try max everything for when i do get promoted. It should also hopefully mean that my transfer list gets better as ill have 2 leagues above me to buy from (im currently top of my server)

End of the day nordeus are ruthless when it comes to getting money from us, why is it frowned upon to be ruthless when trying to save it???

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Originally Posted by herdo

Im tanking, jumping or what ever you want to call it this season. Ive stopped investing money into this game a few seasons ago so its either get promoted and be mediocre or tank, save up skill points and have a good run at it next season, ive never seen anything wrong with it. Its actually been a 2 season plan though, every player i bought last season and this has been 18 years old, some better than others but all pretty fast trainers, though no fast enough to be more than average if im promoted. Its not just about staying in a level to win the league next year but also to catch up on my construction, try max everything for when i do get promoted. It should also hopefully mean that my transfer list gets better as ill have 2 leagues above me to buy from (im currently top of my server)

End of the day nordeus are ruthless when it comes to getting money from us, why is it frowned upon to be ruthless when trying to save it???

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well said

I thought this was what tanking was, anyway I believe it is a personal choice and lots for forum members have decided to do it coz of the way things are being run this season, I have considered it as my TL has been rubbish for 3 seasons now and have lost that side of the game but have decided to continue as I like the challenge of going for titles and cups.

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Originally Posted by magic3

well said

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Cheers mate, end of the day anyone can tank a season where as not everyone can afford to plow cash into this game (or like me they can but dont want to). I reckon tanking for 1 season will give me 2 or 3 seasons with a GOOD team, so why not???

But when you tank a season, your players all age a year and slow down in their skill gains. So when in the following season you do (hopefully) win promotion, you're already on the back foot. No?

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Originally Posted by magic3

how can you guys tell that these people tanked it a season before?

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Because they have 5*/6* player in their squad in your league at the beginning of the season and there are not any trophies besides the club comparison between your team and their team, even teams that have finished 5th,6th or 7th would have the plaque for 5th,6th or 7th in the last seasons trophies won.

Haha it also gives the token buyer someone to hate on, makes a change from it being the other way around :D

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Originally Posted by Mr Mercury

But when you tank a season, your players all age a year and slow down in their skill gains. So when in the following season you do (hopefully) win promotion, you're already on the back foot. No?

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Hence why i bought only 18 year olds, have read on here that they dont slow down every year but more like in 3 year jumps? ill also have tokens saved up from the tanked season, the seasons that my team competes and when i need to buy more players ill have 2 or 3 seasons worth of tokens to play with

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Originally Posted by herdo

Haha it also gives the token buyer someone to hate on, makes a change from it being the other way around :D

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I'm telling you on my server... It's madness to see a rubbish average 5*/6* team go up against that tanked or missed promotion not by purpose go against our team thats invested in hours on power training, If any token buyers didn't power train and only filled their team up with scouts, there is chances that they won't automatically win the league due to tankers and other teams that had failed to promote.

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Originally Posted by Peter Pirsten

Whats a jumper, some might ask?
Others may have a different name for it, but I call them jumpers. In short, a jumper is someone who deliberately stay on the same level. The jumper benefit from this the season to come, giving them two seasons to upgrade thier squad.

There is nothing illegal nor unethnical about it. In fact is very common. It has become a money saving tactic that givs the player twice the time to improve the squad.

Of cause jumping is not something new. I and everybody else has been awhere about this tactics from early levels. Not very pleasant to spot jumpers in the league in the beginning of the season, but some thing you just have to deal with.

At higher levels (12 and above) this becoms more like the rule than the exception, and this of cause makes things more difficult. Right now I play at level 17 and in my league I have 7 newly jumped teams. Yes, not one, two or three, but SEVEN!!! Of cause my chances of winning the league this season is, if not impossible, rather slim. So I have to decide am I accepting the situation and just move on with slim chance winning any more leagues, or will I jump?

It is not the players (jumpers) that is the problem, they are only adapting to the rules, it is the system.

I believe Nordeus has to figure some thing out in this matter to make "Top eleven" survive and keep beeing a fun game after season 12. This is not the only problem higher level players will face. Other problems are lack of good players in the transfer list.

So, should I jump or should I go?!?

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He is a "jumper" from the movie -Jumper- :D

http://fanart.tv/fanart/movies/8247/...7933a461b1.jpg

I agree "jumping" "bunkering" or whatever, is a good money saving strategy. And of cause everyone could/(and maybe should) take advantage of it if they are not prepered to spend 10-20£ a season. I just liked to create a debate regarding the subject.

The crux of the matter is that in my league (level 17) I am competting with 7 jumpers. And I asked what I should do? Compete or just jump.

Vagablue

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Originally Posted by flatthg

I think the thing is, grew up young Players from Academy, and save money for another season to buyout a lot of scout players and win the cup and cl easy. That's the only point in not take the next league.

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no, to win the cup, better try to buy nothing one season and get promoted, sell all your player and buy 3* player---> buy scout, you can improve your first 11 about 10 Quality (15 if you buy scout) just the 1st day of season, and now your chance in the cup is gigatic as you are better than even token buyer at least 5 Q

não consigo receber meus torkens porque?

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Originally Posted by fall

i dont understand it at all. the only thing i can think is that they want to win a league at every level which is a bit pointless. unless there is a 'premier league' and i mean, the top, top level, there is no point. the aim of this game imo, is to achieve promotion, league titles are just a bonus. i would consider the cups more important than league titles, with promotion the most important thing. but i guess other people have different goals, upto them.

if someone could explain their reasons?

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If you are a non token buyer it becomes difficult to replace 7-8 players in a single go on a new season. It is way easier to do so tanking as whatever moment you spot a good youngster you can freely take him in and train, without worrying about him losing a star in few days. Even on day 28/28 a good young is still the best you'll find also next season. It works awesomeley when you're able to build a team of 18-19 yo fast trainers. My friend Baku storm stopped buying tokens and tanked one season with an average age of 19.2 years. The following season he had a full scout team with no expenses nor PT, this one hald of his team is high end 5* and the rest regained the scout levele. 3 seasons without buying a token, with 2 titles and 2 CLs.

How to spot a jumper...
A lot of people asks how you spot a jumper.
First of all it is easiest to do in the beginning of the season. Generally "jumpers" start the campaign with a very good team most scouts and even world class.
Then you look at the following seasons result (this you do by clicking on the players team). With a scout team (6 stars, 5 yellow and 1 red) it is fair to say you should finish among top 7, right? If the team didnt make the 7th spot they deliberately avoided advancing. At least competent players with 15 or more seasons of experience.
You can find out a lot of things about other teams, like which date they where created and the trophies.

Go hunt! :)
Vagablue

I thought about tanking next season. Why? because my team wasn't that good, and, as a non buyer, i'm having problems replacing my players. Next season will be even worst, as several of my players will go down to 2 stars, and a bunch of them just reached 3 stars atm, meaning, they won't be able to get another star soon W/O power training. So i'll have to change 1/3 of the team, at least, and i can barelly buy a decent youngster ATM, for lack of money. I've been holding thanks to a good CL campaign, allowing me to buy a few decent players, but no fast trainers, so even these i just bought won't last me long.

That said, i always thought i'd be having problems this season, and so far i'm doing quite well, so i might reconsider, depending on these last days.

tanking has never occured to me... but i stopped buying tokens 2 seasons ago so as i reach the higher levels it may become a tempting option. so how would u do this? is is just a matter of simply playing an illegal formation for the entire season?

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Originally Posted by fingermouse27

tanking has never occured to me... but i stopped buying tokens 2 seasons ago so as i reach the higher levels it may become a tempting option. so how would u do this? is is just a matter of simply playing an illegal formation for the entire season?

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Yeh like put a striker in goals and the rest in the forward positions. dont watch your games either and if your still struggling to be ****e max your ticket prices, empty stadium no possession bonus :)

In my league, DragonRojo is a jumper! He's never draw or lost any match! He is so OP, lots of cash! That's even more than Manchester City!!!

Right im vetoing "jumper" as the terminology for this as it makes no sense lol. Your not jumping anywhere, your staying in the same league! I can only think that the OP got lost in translation and meant "thrower" i.e throwing the season to stay in the same division.

I prefer the original terminology of "tanking". Think some ones trying to leave a T11 legacy, which already belongs to someone else (july forth I think)

Being able to spot a tanker is immaterial IMO as they'll probably just look like a scout buyer? maybe younger players. Also next season when I reap the benefits of tanking ill have no guilt as someone else this season has benefited from me tanking as I reckon id have finished in the top 3 at least

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Originally Posted by herdo

Right im vetoing "jumper" as the terminology for this as it makes no sense lol. Your not jumping anywhere, your staying in the same league! I can only think that the OP got lost in translation and meant "thrower" i.e throwing the season to stay in the same division.

I prefer the original terminology of "tanking". Think some ones trying to leave a T11 legacy, which already belongs to someone else (july forth I think)

Being able to spot a tanker is immaterial IMO as they'll probably just look like a scout buyer? maybe younger players. Also next season when I reap the benefits of tanking ill have no guilt as someone else this season has benefited from me tanking as I reckon id have finished in the top 3 at least

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It wasn't even me that came up with the "Tank the season" term for T11, but its used to describe teams in US Sports like Baseball,Basketball,NFL and Ice Hockey that delibrately "Tank the season" so they get the first pick in the draft for the following season.

I agree whole-heartedly. jumping just sounds horrible and tanking is the correct term.

On the subject, I have not yet "tanked" a season, but considering the upside to it, I just might do it for fun next season. I have a few CL trophies already so its time to get my guys on steroids for the future season.

Jumping for me would actually mean moving up 2 levels in 1 season, which technically can happen in raykco's case by moving up 2 league levels but moving up 2 manager levels in a season isn't possible.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

I agree whole-heartedly. jumping just sounds horrible and tanking is the correct term.

On the subject, I have not yet "tanked" a season, but considering the upside to it, I just might do it for fun next season. I have a few CL trophies already so its time to get my guys on steroids for the future season.

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Yeh its not as boring as youd think tbh lol, still have to try get as far as possible in the cup/champs league for the money and then training, getting new talent etc. Id defo get investing in young high priced players though to make it worth your while. My current average age is 19.6, still too high imo lol

Everyine should just do the best with what they have. "Tanking" is pointless. You can still save your money and tokens, maybe make the top 7. Just don't spend your money or tokens. Save up your boosters. If you get promoted great, the next season you won't need to tank, because your team will be rubbish anyway.

If you are attentive enough, you will never spend more than two seasons in any one league.

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Originally Posted by Philip-Infi Del-Taziker

Everyine should just do the best with what they have. "Tanking" is pointless. You can still save your money and tokens, maybe make the top 7. Just don't spend your money or tokens. Save up your boosters. If you get promoted great, the next season you won't need to tank, because your team will be rubbish anyway.

If you are attentive enough, you will never spend more than two seasons in any one league.

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Yeh but if I tank a season ill go from being an average team to a good one. Its far from pointless, ive posted about ten good reasons for doing it in this very thread

Illgal formation is a perfect way to tank. But remember you just have to finish 8 or below, so in the middle of the season it might be a good idea to start winning some matches and also start tanking boxes for upcomming season.

I done it the other way round, tanked From mid season and i'm 11th 4 points off 7th. Also haven't added skill points so my players won't get any better. Have been tanking boxes too, will use the green ones before next season, a lil bit of power training before my players age :-)

I just tanked this season from third spot to 8th. I think it's a good strategy considering how much less work I have to do next season to win the league. I also tanked my 8th season and I ended 1st in three consecutive seasons after which will earned me a lot of cash. I believe if you are out of champion's league spot you should tank.

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