Quote Originally Posted by tongly45 View Post
it make me a bit shocked, normally 451V can counter 4141, so i won't use it this season
4-5-1v was never a solid counter for 4-1-4-1 since both are similar formations but the 4-1-4-1 being the more defensive variant of the 4-5-1 formations. I would say to beat 4-1-4-1, you can use 3W-5-2 flat or 3W-4-3 flat