Can't stand 'Tankers' - its cheating and should be discouraged

[JanCz]

First steps of Nordeus should be relegation from league and decreasing fans and money after relegation/stream of bad results. This is a biggest mistake. Why do not just tank for 10 seasons and later then demolish every opponent in every league?

[Marc Symons]

First steps of Nordeus should be relegation from league and decreasing fans and money after relegation/stream of bad results. This is a biggest mistake. Why do not just tank for 10 seasons and later then demolish every opponent in every league?

Why do people continue to talk about relegation!?! - For the one thousandth time "It wouldn't work!".

[rastaman70]

First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.

Second, relegation would work = you gain a star just like you lose a star when you get promoted. Just like in the big leagues, when you get relegated you get the parachute payments that help to keep the higher paid players you signed for the top league = you go down and still have the better players = so it would work marc symons. I would like to hear why you say it wouldnt work. they have 100 people working for them apparently, they can make the programming and structure work. the problem is that people might get relegated to win the league they missed the season before. but again , how is that different from buying tokens to win a league? one situation is spending money to win a league (tokens) and the other is spending time.

what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating. they should be screaming that buying tokens is cheating. I recently learned what tanking is and will gladly do it next season to keep my guys strong. it is not cheating, it is usuing an advantage that is given to you. it costs you time and ingame money but at least you can compete with the token byers.

huliano was right, stop allowing people to increase their players with tokens to make it fair. they wont do this for money reasons so until they do that, we need some way to compete better.

[Marc Symons]

First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.

Second, relegation would work = you gain a star just like you lose a star when you get promoted. Just like in the big leagues, when you get relegated you get the parachute payments that help to keep the higher paid players you signed for the top league = you go down and still have the better players = so it would work marc symons. I would like to hear why you say it wouldnt work. they have 100 people working for them apparently, they can make the programming and structure work. the problem is that people might get relegated to win the league they missed the season before. but again , how is that different from buying tokens to win a league? one situation is spending money to win a league (tokens) and the other is spending time.

what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating. they should be screaming that buying tokens is cheating. I recently learned what tanking is and will gladly do it next season to keep my guys strong. it is not cheating, it is usuing an advantage that is given to you. it costs you time and ingame money but at least you can compete with the token byers.

huliano was right, stop allowing people to increase their players with tokens to make it fair. they wont do this for money reasons so until they do that, we need some way to compete better.

HINT: Read back posts before posting - 80% of your 'rant' makes no sense. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but here it is one last time.

Relegation: So you say that a team should GAIN a star when relegated?. If relegation was an option this is obviously how it would work, however losing a star does not change the quality of the team. It simply adjusts the star ranking according to the level upgrade. So if you were relegated you would lose a star yet your team would still be of the same quality. Therefore like i said earlier you could effectively have teams with 60 quality getting relegated over and over all the way down to a league/level where teams of 20 quality are playing. This is what would happen - people would intentionally get relegated in order to dominate leagues and it would be very unfair and off putting to lower ranked teams/newbies to be playing against teams they have no chance of beating.

Tanking vs Tokens - Your statement about Token buying being as much 'cheating' as tankning is probably the most dumb thing i have read in my time at this forum. In fact i feel a little stupider after reading it. People may not like it but you NEED tokens to play this game and in REAL football there are teams with lots of money who can improve there squad to high levels, as there is also poorer teams that cannot afford to buy top players. The same counts in Top eleven, tere are players with lost of real money that buy tokens to improve there squad and there are players that cant afford or simply choose not to buy tokens. (See the resemblance there)
Tanking on the other hand is a player intentionally losing/throwing matches in order to rig competition draws and have a better chance of winning the next year. In REAL football if a team was to tank (Intentionally lose matches/throw matches) it WOULD be cheating and would result in major fines and even a team being thrown out of the league. (See the resemblance there)

Therefore token buying is obviously not cheating - It is a feature programmed into the game by the developers.

Tanking is cheating and apart from it being cheating it is unethical as Top Eleven is all about competition and who wants to play against teams that throw matches? Tankers are also known to tank in order to get easier cup draws. Your argument is flawed.

[rastaman70]

HINT: Read back posts before posting - 80% of your 'rant' makes no sense. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but here it is one last time.

Relegation: So you say that a team should GAIN a star when relegated?. If relegation was an option this is obviously how it would work, however losing a star does not change the quality of the team. It simply adjusts the star ranking according to the level upgrade. So if you were relegated you would lose a star yet your team would still be of the same quality. Therefore like i said earlier you could effectively have teams with 60 quality getting relegated over and over all the way down to a league/level where teams of 20 quality are playing. This is what would happen - people would intentionally get relegated in order to dominate leagues and it would be very unfair and off putting to lower ranked teams/newbies to be playing against teams they have no chance of beating.

Tanking vs Tokens - Your statement about Token buying being as much 'cheating' as tankning is probably the most dumb thing i have read in my time at this forum. In fact i feel a little stupider after reading it. People may not like it but you NEED tokens to play this game and in REAL football there are teams with lots of money who can improve there squad to high levels, as there is also poorer teams that cannot afford to buy top players. The same counts in Top eleven, tere are players with lost of real money that buy tokens to improve there squad and there are players that cant afford or simply choose not to buy tokens. (See the resemblance there)
Tanking on the other hand is a player intentionally losing/throwing matches in order to rig competition draws and have a better chance of winning the next year. In REAL football if a team was to tank (Intentionally lose matches/throw matches) it WOULD be cheating and would result in major fines and even a team being thrown out of the league. (See the resemblance there)

Therefore token buying is obviously not cheating - It is a feature programmed into the game by the developers.

Tanking is cheating and apart from it being cheating it is unethical as Top Eleven is all about competition and who wants to play against teams that throw matches? Tankers are also known to tank in order to get easier cup draws. Your argument is flawed.

seeing your posts, I dont believe you need anything to make you feel stupider, you do it naturally. That is because you cannot see the other side of the argument since you are so biased. Same as typtex. You both cant see that tanking is not cheating. Buying tokens has the same affect = manipulating the game. both of you are hypocrites. Mark, i read the first paragraph of your post and just gave up reading becauese of the nonsense, same with typtex. you start off with hypocritical remarks which makes the rest of your post unreadable or unworthy of reading.

losing to win is the same as paying to win. one takes time,the other take money. for those of us who dont pay to play this game, tanking is the only way to compete if you dont farm tokens. for July 4th to put a post to teach people how to do it shows that it is not cheating as well as it not being banned by nordeus.

you want to play against other managers who want to win? good for you. then email nordeus support and tell them to delete all the non active accounts first. then tell them to not allow illegal formations to prvent tanking.

Look the flaw in yoru arguement is your hyprocracy. you only go after tankers and not token buyers who manipulate the game as well. also this game is not a race, as you dont have to get promoted to be successful. just because you dont watn to be promoted and to stay at a level does not mean you dont have a winning mentality. I will lose next season so i can win the next. I want to win, but realize that i cannot with the current team until they get stronger and i will not spend tokens to do that.

open your eyes.

[TypTex]

First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.

what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating.

I can

easy

Tanking is a form of game manipulation, it distorts leagues and makes the game unfair for other players. Other players who play fairly, play to win. Tankers get to pick and choose the games they try and win and the games they try and lose. It is simple game manipulation which is cheating.
But that's not what bothers me.

Tankers play the game to lose. That makes them losers. Being a loser is sad. Losing makes tankers teams useless. The phrase I use is sad, useless tankers.

Tankers are cheating themselves and their team, depriving themselves of a great victory or an underdog triumph.
Playing to lose is wrong, sad and wrong, sad, wrong and no fun.
Where is the fun in losing?
(Unless tankers get their fun from manipulating match results, picking games to win and lose.... which of course is cheating).

Tankers are cheating themselves with a loser mentality .... It is not healthy.

Play every game to win. If you lose, you lose. If you finish 2nd (or lower), you are not a **** (as suggested in another thread by a tanker). you are second best, and beaten by a better team. Take it, don't be a tanker, but try to do something about it.
Try to come back next season stronger and be the winner.
But that's not what bothers me.

What bothers me is that I've come here to win, I've come here to beat other teams, and I will do all I can to get a victory.
But I don't want to be playing some weak, scared little tanker opponent. Where's the fun in beating some chicken **** loser?
There is no fun in that at all, it's too one-sided when your opponent is too scared to try and win.
This is what bothers me.
I want my opponent to be trying to beat me, as hard as I'm trying to beat them. That's what's it's about.

Grinding gears? Only gears tankers have are reverse, used to see how quick they can lose their way down the league tables.
When you find forward moving gears, gears that take you higher, that's when I might start to worry about grinding them.

I have no opinion of token buyers.

[khris]

so, not agree. and noobs that talk about relegation have to know what I've said, because I see thet here nobody is thinking that this can happen...

[Philip Carr]

Why don,t nordeus change the system ,fair play means fair play ,seems to me its the developers who have let eveyone down, Money,Money,Money.......!


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[Marc Symons]

Great post TypTex - Remember (Off topic) the weekley forum competition league tables are up and the new fixtures have been posted

http://forum.topeleven.com/football-...tml#post182789

[TypTex]

(Off topic) the weekley forum competition league tables are up and the new fixtures have been posted

http://forum.topeleven.com/football-...tml#post182789

Well I think that round certainly went to the good guys.

But I'm sure the next round will kick off again any minute now