Can't stand 'Tankers' - its cheating and should be discouraged

[JanCz]

First steps of Nordeus should be relegation from league and decreasing fans and money after relegation/stream of bad results. This is a biggest mistake. Why do not just tank for 10 seasons and later then demolish every opponent in every league?

[Marc Symons]

First steps of Nordeus should be relegation from league and decreasing fans and money after relegation/stream of bad results. This is a biggest mistake. Why do not just tank for 10 seasons and later then demolish every opponent in every league?

Why do people continue to talk about relegation!?! - For the one thousandth time "It wouldn't work!".

[rastaman70]

First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.

Second, relegation would work = you gain a star just like you lose a star when you get promoted. Just like in the big leagues, when you get relegated you get the parachute payments that help to keep the higher paid players you signed for the top league = you go down and still have the better players = so it would work marc symons. I would like to hear why you say it wouldnt work. they have 100 people working for them apparently, they can make the programming and structure work. the problem is that people might get relegated to win the league they missed the season before. but again , how is that different from buying tokens to win a league? one situation is spending money to win a league (tokens) and the other is spending time.

what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating. they should be screaming that buying tokens is cheating. I recently learned what tanking is and will gladly do it next season to keep my guys strong. it is not cheating, it is usuing an advantage that is given to you. it costs you time and ingame money but at least you can compete with the token byers.

huliano was right, stop allowing people to increase their players with tokens to make it fair. they wont do this for money reasons so until they do that, we need some way to compete better.

[Marc Symons]

First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.

Second, relegation would work = you gain a star just like you lose a star when you get promoted. Just like in the big leagues, when you get relegated you get the parachute payments that help to keep the higher paid players you signed for the top league = you go down and still have the better players = so it would work marc symons. I would like to hear why you say it wouldnt work. they have 100 people working for them apparently, they can make the programming and structure work. the problem is that people might get relegated to win the league they missed the season before. but again , how is that different from buying tokens to win a league? one situation is spending money to win a league (tokens) and the other is spending time.

what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating. they should be screaming that buying tokens is cheating. I recently learned what tanking is and will gladly do it next season to keep my guys strong. it is not cheating, it is usuing an advantage that is given to you. it costs you time and ingame money but at least you can compete with the token byers.

huliano was right, stop allowing people to increase their players with tokens to make it fair. they wont do this for money reasons so until they do that, we need some way to compete better.

HINT: Read back posts before posting - 80% of your 'rant' makes no sense. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but here it is one last time.

Relegation: So you say that a team should GAIN a star when relegated?. If relegation was an option this is obviously how it would work, however losing a star does not change the quality of the team. It simply adjusts the star ranking according to the level upgrade. So if you were relegated you would lose a star yet your team would still be of the same quality. Therefore like i said earlier you could effectively have teams with 60 quality getting relegated over and over all the way down to a league/level where teams of 20 quality are playing. This is what would happen - people would intentionally get relegated in order to dominate leagues and it would be very unfair and off putting to lower ranked teams/newbies to be playing against teams they have no chance of beating.

Tanking vs Tokens - Your statement about Token buying being as much 'cheating' as tankning is probably the most dumb thing i have read in my time at this forum. In fact i feel a little stupider after reading it. People may not like it but you NEED tokens to play this game and in REAL football there are teams with lots of money who can improve there squad to high levels, as there is also poorer teams that cannot afford to buy top players. The same counts in Top eleven, tere are players with lost of real money that buy tokens to improve there squad and there are players that cant afford or simply choose not to buy tokens. (See the resemblance there)
Tanking on the other hand is a player intentionally losing/throwing matches in order to rig competition draws and have a better chance of winning the next year. In REAL football if a team was to tank (Intentionally lose matches/throw matches) it WOULD be cheating and would result in major fines and even a team being thrown out of the league. (See the resemblance there)

Therefore token buying is obviously not cheating - It is a feature programmed into the game by the developers.

Tanking is cheating and apart from it being cheating it is unethical as Top Eleven is all about competition and who wants to play against teams that throw matches? Tankers are also known to tank in order to get easier cup draws. Your argument is flawed.

[rastaman70]

HINT: Read back posts before posting - 80% of your 'rant' makes no sense. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but here it is one last time.

Relegation: So you say that a team should GAIN a star when relegated?. If relegation was an option this is obviously how it would work, however losing a star does not change the quality of the team. It simply adjusts the star ranking according to the level upgrade. So if you were relegated you would lose a star yet your team would still be of the same quality. Therefore like i said earlier you could effectively have teams with 60 quality getting relegated over and over all the way down to a league/level where teams of 20 quality are playing. This is what would happen - people would intentionally get relegated in order to dominate leagues and it would be very unfair and off putting to lower ranked teams/newbies to be playing against teams they have no chance of beating.

Tanking vs Tokens - Your statement about Token buying being as much 'cheating' as tankning is probably the most dumb thing i have read in my time at this forum. In fact i feel a little stupider after reading it. People may not like it but you NEED tokens to play this game and in REAL football there are teams with lots of money who can improve there squad to high levels, as there is also poorer teams that cannot afford to buy top players. The same counts in Top eleven, tere are players with lost of real money that buy tokens to improve there squad and there are players that cant afford or simply choose not to buy tokens. (See the resemblance there)
Tanking on the other hand is a player intentionally losing/throwing matches in order to rig competition draws and have a better chance of winning the next year. In REAL football if a team was to tank (Intentionally lose matches/throw matches) it WOULD be cheating and would result in major fines and even a team being thrown out of the league. (See the resemblance there)

Therefore token buying is obviously not cheating - It is a feature programmed into the game by the developers.

Tanking is cheating and apart from it being cheating it is unethical as Top Eleven is all about competition and who wants to play against teams that throw matches? Tankers are also known to tank in order to get easier cup draws. Your argument is flawed.

seeing your posts, I dont believe you need anything to make you feel stupider, you do it naturally. That is because you cannot see the other side of the argument since you are so biased. Same as typtex. You both cant see that tanking is not cheating. Buying tokens has the same affect = manipulating the game. both of you are hypocrites. Mark, i read the first paragraph of your post and just gave up reading becauese of the nonsense, same with typtex. you start off with hypocritical remarks which makes the rest of your post unreadable or unworthy of reading.

losing to win is the same as paying to win. one takes time,the other take money. for those of us who dont pay to play this game, tanking is the only way to compete if you dont farm tokens. for July 4th to put a post to teach people how to do it shows that it is not cheating as well as it not being banned by nordeus.

you want to play against other managers who want to win? good for you. then email nordeus support and tell them to delete all the non active accounts first. then tell them to not allow illegal formations to prvent tanking.

Look the flaw in yoru arguement is your hyprocracy. you only go after tankers and not token buyers who manipulate the game as well. also this game is not a race, as you dont have to get promoted to be successful. just because you dont watn to be promoted and to stay at a level does not mean you dont have a winning mentality. I will lose next season so i can win the next. I want to win, but realize that i cannot with the current team until they get stronger and i will not spend tokens to do that.

open your eyes.

[tongly45]

seeing your posts, I dont believe you need anything to make you feel stupider, you do it naturally. That is because you cannot see the other side of the argument since you are so biased. Same as typtex. You both cant see that tanking is not cheating. Buying tokens has the same affect = manipulating the game. both of you are hypocrites. Mark, i read the first paragraph of your post and just gave up reading becauese of the nonsense, same with typtex. you start off with hypocritical remarks which makes the rest of your post unreadable or unworthy of reading.

losing to win is the same as paying to win. one takes time,the other take money. for those of us who dont pay to play this game, tanking is the only way to compete if you dont farm tokens. for July 4th to put a post to teach people how to do it shows that it is not cheating as well as it not being banned by nordeus.

you want to play against other managers who want to win? good for you. then email nordeus support and tell them to delete all the non active accounts first. then tell them to not allow illegal formations to prvent tanking.

Look the flaw in yoru arguement is your hyprocracy. you only go after tankers and not token buyers who manipulate the game as well. also this game is not a race, as you dont have to get promoted to be successful. just because you dont watn to be promoted and to stay at a level does not mean you dont have a winning mentality. I will lose next season so i can win the next. I want to win, but realize that i cannot with the current team until they get stronger and i will not spend tokens to do that.

open your eyes.

nobody blame you if you really have a poor team. but the probleme is some people can finish 2nd 3rd, even 1st but he decide to tank in the 1st week. What the hell it is.
i don't see any problem if you tanking for the league.

[SlickZ]

Personally I would tank a season if I felt CL qualification was out of the question. But until that stage I have no intention of ever tanking. Some may look down on it, but if I cant finish top 4 one season, the next I wont stand a chance and so on. And its not that fun competing for 5th 6th and 7th.

[Marc Symons]

seeing your posts, I dont believe you need anything to make you feel stupider, you do it naturally. That is because you cannot see the other side of the argument since you are so biased. Same as typtex. You both cant see that tanking is not cheating. Buying tokens has the same affect = manipulating the game. both of you are hypocrites. Mark, i read the first paragraph of your post and just gave up reading becauese of the nonsense, same with typtex. you start off with hypocritical remarks which makes the rest of your post unreadable or unworthy of reading.

losing to win is the same as paying to win. one takes time,the other take money. for those of us who dont pay to play this game, tanking is the only way to compete if you dont farm tokens. for July 4th to put a post to teach people how to do it shows that it is not cheating as well as it not being banned by nordeus.

you want to play against other managers who want to win? good for you. then email nordeus support and tell them to delete all the non active accounts first. then tell them to not allow illegal formations to prvent tanking.

Look the flaw in yoru arguement is your hyprocracy. you only go after tankers and not token buyers who manipulate the game as well. also this game is not a race, as you dont have to get promoted to be successful. just because you dont watn to be promoted and to stay at a level does not mean you dont have a winning mentality. I will lose next season so i can win the next. I want to win, but realize that i cannot with the current team until they get stronger and i will not spend tokens to do that.

open your eyes.

You are an actual idiot. You move from thread to thread arguing and insulting. I debate, there is a difference. Everything i have to say on the matter is written in the post that you quoted. I do NOT tank and i do NOT buy tokens, therefore you calling me bias is ridiculous. As a person that does neither i started out as a natural, and after understanding both sets of facts i concluded that tanking is cheating and i stand by that. I have nothing else to say to you, you are a troll and i refuse to feed a troll.

[TypTex]

seeing your posts, I dont believe you need anything to make you feel stupider, you do it naturally. That is because you cannot see the other side of the argument since you are so biased. Same as typtex.

When my view is that every player should play the game wanting to win ... and that's a pretty simple, basic view, I don't feel any need to feel sympathy to "the other side" the other side that want to lose.

So if wanting to win, not lose, makes me stupid, as you point out, then I'm in some pretty good company and that's everyone else who plays sport at any level. Winning is what normal people aim for. Not losing.

If you get a kick out of rolling over and having your tummy tickled every match then great for you, people have perverse fetishes in life.
But when your perversion for wanting to be a loser affects others, normal people, players who come here to win, wanting to beat other normal people, people also wanting to win, then your perversion becomes a problem.

[TypTex]

Look the flaw in yoru arguement is your hyprocracy. you only go after tankers and not token buyers who manipulate the game as well.

This is an anti tanking thread ... if you care to start an anti token buying thread, then you may read more comments on the pro v cons of token buyers. This is not the thread to debate that in.

I really wish tankers could grasp the concept that most people here that are saying tanking is wrong and that it is cheating, are not token buyers. They are just normal players who hate to have to beat players who are intentionally trying to lose.

There's no fun in beating losers.