How are results determined?

[Philip Carr]

When the game-commentary freezes its cause its assessing the data


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[rastaman70]

When the game-commentary freezes its cause its assessing the data


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you have no proof of this and I dont see this game commentary freeze on a regular basis, or at all. During the time of the commentary "freeze" as you say, you can still make changes, which is contrary to what happens at the start of the game where it actually, really, freezes and you cant make ANY changes. big difference. so to say that it freezes at any time after the start of the game is guessing.

plus it doesnt need to freeze during the game because the changes you make are small in terms of code for the commentary to change. it simply has no need to freeze to recalculate the results based on your changes because the result is already determined.

[rastaman70]

When the game-commentary freezes its cause its assessing the data


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sir, I would like proof of this. otherwise its bunk.

People might think they understand football but even in a game-like this its complex


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how do you think you need to understand football with a game like this. people win american football pools by picking the color of the jersey, meaning its based on luck of the draw at the best of times. people can win without knowing anything about football in this game as in real life.

[vad]

Those guys who posted the observations about the outcome of the game known before the game has finished, did not tell if that result actually matched the game when it has finished. Which I think is kinda important.

I think there may be legitimate explanation, without the conspiracy.

The game has to determine the outcome at some point if the managers are not present. It could be done after, but probably there are reasons for the programmers to do it before the game. Certainly RNG is being used, but the probabilities it uses are affected by all the factors Nordeus tells about - health, morale, formation, and so on.

When the game starts and their server notices that at least one manager is watching, it makes recalculation, this is what people noticed as pause in comments soon after the game has started. The server may later initiate more recalculations, if another manager has joined later, or if they change formations, make subs, and maybe other events they do on their own. That's why if you change formation to illegal, the possession level jumps not immediately but about 15 sec later.

At the same time the pre-calculated outcome of the game, made in advance, can be still displayed for others to see, or in those scenarios when you had crash etc. But if there were recalculations, it will be adjusted according to the above.

This is all only a guess, but I think it's more likely than the idea that everything is predetermined and manager's presence does not change the outcome at all; I think, the key point is whether observed predetermined result is how the game actually ends, especially if it had drastic events like changing to illegal formations.

[Saransh Vatsa]

Those guys who posted the observations about the outcome of the game known before the game has finished, did not tell if that result actually matched the game when it has finished. Which I think is kinda important.

I think there may be legitimate explanation, without the conspiracy.

The game has to determine the outcome at some point if the managers are not present. It could be done after, but probably there are reasons for the programmers to do it before the game. Certainly RNG is being used, but the probabilities it uses are affected by all the factors Nordeus tells about - health, morale, formation, and so on.

When the game starts and their server notices that at least one manager is watching, it makes recalculation, this is what people noticed as pause in comments soon after the game has started. The server may later initiate more recalculations, if another manager has joined later, or if they change formations, make subs, and maybe other events they do on their own. That's why if you change formation to illegal, the possession level jumps not immediately but about 15 sec later.

At the same time the pre-calculated outcome of the game, made in advance, can be still displayed for others to see, or in those scenarios when you had crash etc. But if there were recalculations, it will be adjusted according to the above.

This is all only a guess, but I think it's more likely than the idea that everything is predetermined and manager's presence does not change the outcome at all; I think, the key point is whether observed predetermined result is how the game actually ends, especially if it had drastic events like changing to illegal formations.

Hmmm....not a bad explaination tbh... quite convincing. But we shall never know until Nord tell us. But that won't happen....

[rastaman70]

Hmmm....not a bad explaination tbh... quite convincing. But we shall never know until Nord tell us. But that won't happen....

not convinced at all. we all have theorys, and none can say which is true. BUT, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck and swims like a duck.....ITS A DUCK. everything is showing that results are predetermined. possession means nothing. morale means nothing. condition means nothing. formation means nothing. those are some pretty big nothings in this game. if those mean nothing, then what the hell is going on other than nordeus racking up the money on tokens for playing a game that just effectively wastes your time while making you think you are actually affecting results???

[Saransh Vatsa]

not convinced at all. we all have theorys, and none can say which is true. BUT, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck and swims like a duck.....ITS A DUCK. everything is showing that results are predetermined. possession means nothing. morale means nothing. condition means nothing. formation means nothing. those are some pretty big nothings in this game. if those mean nothing, then what the hell is going on other than nordeus racking up the money on tokens for playing a game that just effectively wastes your time while making you think you are actually affecting results???

Well it can be a goose
And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation, it is clear that the game result is based on a turn of pitch and toss, all luck, predetermined too most probably. They don't answer us as they have nothing to say. So this discussion if interesting but nontheless worthless as we can put in our theories, I too believed results are predetermined, but we will never get conformation and all this will go on forever.....

[rastaman70]

Well it can be a goose
And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation, it is clear that the game result is based on a turn of pitch and toss, all luck, predetermined too most probably. They don't answer us as they have nothing to say. So this discussion if interesting but nontheless worthless as we can put in our theories, I too believed results are predetermined, but we will never get conformation and all this will go on forever.....

their lack of response is damning for them.

[vad]

> And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation

About a week ago I went to nordeus' company webpage and sent them email that I'd like to consider advertising in t11 for my own company (which is true), "please send me pricing information". No reply. Do you really think they care about forum discussions? Most companies create user forum as means to eliminate their own support rather than the vehicle to gather feedback.

If you never used their own support, I suggest that you try it out, contact them and ask a question. The reply will give you an idea to what degree they don't care.