Ratings & MoM

[Josip Crncic]

English isnt my native lang but I believe u see the point

[FishFlicks]

To me it doesnt matter how many shots on target i have. It only matters if the ball goes into the net, aka GOALLL!!!

[Buffs Mad]

I understand its not your native language - thats why I suggested a mistype. I couldn't conduct this discussion in your language so it'd be bad of me to have done otherwise.

So I'm running with the ball, I'm on 16m, I take a shot, but someone slided and blocked it...
How do you know this shot would have produced a goal if that player didn't slide?

I just recalled that your question prior to the above example was about how its determined a shot would've produced a goal. That's not been answered. Similarly, I ignored your previous statement on goal posts and crossbar because I wasn't sure if you were claiming those as being the target or not - just wasn't sure what you were saying.

But, as I think you were the only one asking what a shot on target was and you think you have the answer then I'm happy to rest there.

[Josip Crncic]

If that shot is blocked 16m from goal you cant possibly know if it would end in a goal in case it wasnt blocked. Like i quoted google source it would be count as shot on target only if that slider was opponent's last man.

Posts and crossbar are counted as off target shots, Ive checked that too.

Yeah, now we do have.answers, mistery solved

[Buffs Mad]

If that shot is blocked 16m from goal you cant possibly know if it would end in a goal in case it wasnt blocked. Like i quoted google source it would be count as shot on target only if that slider was opponent's last man.

Posts and crossbar are counted as off target shots, Ive checked that too.

Yeah, now we do have.answers, mistery solved

c) Would have gone into the net but for being stopped by a defender who is the last man.

Very strange conclusion since your rule from some source gives "would have gone into the net" as a necessary precondition. If you say you can't know if it would go into the net once blocked then to apply the rule you would need to make a 'judgement' - which was the whole point of what I suggested.

Last Defender or opposition player/defender I can let slide. I disagree, but I can't say you're right and I'm wrong because I don't know the source (link would fix that).

So I agree that the mystery is solved for you.

Edit: since Opta use the last defender definition I can accept that, as I said above.

[Josip Crncic]

You can't know if opponent block the shot 16m from goal, but you can know if opponent is last man.
Shot blocked 16m away from goal can't be counted as shot on target, that's my point.
Or you still disagree?

[Buffs Mad]

You can't know if opponent block the shot 16m from goal, but you can know if opponent is last man.
Shot blocked 16m away from goal can't be counted as shot on target, that's my point.
Or you still disagree?

I agree. I used the term blocked as a general term without realising that statisticians appear to use blocked and stopped as mutually exclusive. I should have referred to a stopped shot, as in the rule.

[Josip Crncic]

i'm totally lost in our disscusion

[Buffs Mad]

I think I got lost before you and led you astray. I think its easier to conclude that my 'problem' lies with the definition rather than your interpretation of it.

Best to say, you win.

[Josip Crncic]

Best to say, you win.

no you!