One star MOM

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Near the end of the last season, he came out from the academy, signed for free. To my excitement, he won MOM the first league match he played.
Ever since if he is on the starting lineup, he never took anything below 7 (mostly 8).
Like other free young from academy, he is not a fast trainer.

He is not the first free player that comes like this. This is the second time a one star giving me a 9 in a competitive match.
In fact, all the 2* or below in my lineup were free from academy, some have played many seasons and still kicking. That 2* MC scored 2 goals, 2* GK saving 6 times in this game.

I'm a happy manager:cool:

Hmm... I think you are lucky.. never happens with me :(:mad:

I'm repeating 1000 times that this is just 1 of those scenarios when your team wins.

I would sell him now when everyone is buying players because he is young and they can see that he gets good form.

If we see it from real football view it's not impossible because this D had opponent only a 2* ST. I heared many cases for academy players performing good.
If I can understand the point of view of Jacks, we 're talking about a matrix ?
The program counts many factors plus a roll dice, make the result and all this it's just a "mask" ? A virtual reality ?

i agree with nikolgiorgos,furthermore u should realise that a form of 9 of a 2star player might be equal of a form of a 7 of a 4star player....if all players were 2 star example with 9 form they cannot beat a team of 5star players getting 6-7 form

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

If we see it from real football view it's not impossible because this D had opponent only a 2* ST. I heared many cases for academy players performing good.
If I can understand the point of view of Jacks, we 're talking about a matrix ?
The program counts many factors plus a roll dice, make the result and all this it's just a "mask" ? A virtual reality ?

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They couldn't simulate a game in real time, servers wouldn't be able to deal with thousands of games going on.

Results are mostly simulated during the 3 minutes before game starts, that time when "you can't make changes because a game is about to start".

In-play, the game just pings you every 5 minutes (match minutes), to check your formation and substitutions and recalculate winning probabilities, but most part of the game is already simulated. The comments are even generated in your device.

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...etermined.html
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...etermined.html

For example, the Penalty Shootout is so simulated that you could check it in the past:

In previous mobile versions you could connect a third device to watch the game as a supporter and leave it before the Penalty Shootout started, you could go to the fixtures and check the final score while your friend was still excitingly "watching" penaties being converted.

The next game may be interesting as I'm in a CL with two level22s in my group (one level higher than me), that one has average quality 11 higher than mine, slightly more than two-star deficit matchup.

To me, his lineup is full 5* with two 6*.
I was the winner of the last level 20 league, while he ranked 4th on his level 21 league last season.

My wild guess is 20% chance to win, 50% draw and 30% lose for my team. You guess the outcome :p

So, it would be interesting to see that academy 1* player against 5* and 6* STs. :p

The free academy players will be good for some matches. Are decent performers when needed but I won't use them as starters. They will perform but will not be consistent. And will probably dip more than peak. Reap the rewards while you can.

As expected the match don't turn out on my favour.

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My defense hold up until his DMC made a free kick at 67'. His STs was only able to get a lucky score at 90' (ST pass to ST).
If my 5* DC stopped that free kick it would have been 0:0 and my 2*GK would be the MOM, so his DMC getting MOM was of no surprise.

My offense didn't go well although not a disaster either, looks like my formation don't counter his.
The one star in question didn't catch fire on this game but he's doing well against enemy 5~6* STs and AMCs. The 2* GK catch fire instead saving 3.

It was a good game:p

I have had a academy player for over 6 seasons now he has been playing outstanding as my Midfielder he keeps doing well he will surely break the record of the amount of games someone has played for my team

Well, I don’t want to spoil your thrill but I ‘m tending to believe that rates aren’t such a big deal. The game/program consider the quality of the players, the formation/orders, the condition of the players and don’t know what else and making a decision who’s gonna win.
After that, the program making a visualization of the process which is what we ‘re seeing.

If we have a 2* player among other good players of the team and with good other factors, this player can have a good rate, but if we have a team of 2* players or playing with a 4-5 level up team in the Cup or in a friendly game, no matter if our team is in an excellent form, we can’t win. Sometimes I believe, the program decides to favor a weak team (hey, it’s football) .
Personally, rate of a player is very low in my opinion, for evaluation of a player I want to buy.

+1 point to the game : many times I feel like my players have some some individual personalities and reacting like this.

-1 point : Sometimes the program fail to create the right visualization of the game and we see it as a troll result. A classic fail of the game is when the GK gets injured.

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It is well known that in this game, the player form reflects a player's success rate and contribution in a match.
I consider 6 being subpar, 7 is normal, 8 is excellent. Getting a 9 is on fire.

There is a hidden factor for each player, I call it "motivation", which is the greatest deciding factor about player performance. Its impact is so great that it overshadows quality and morale. Meaning, a low quality and low morale player with high motivation can easily beat a player with high quality high morale but low motivation.

Low motivation is the main reason some player enter "slumps" and fail to get good form continously in matchs.

The obvious thing is that a player with low motivation (constantly getting 6 or below) have a very high chance of missing penalty kick (I say over 80%), regardless of quality or SA. All other actions too: failing to tackle, making fouls for no reason, making mistake passing to an opponent, etc.

There is no definative way to change the motivation of a player. Training is one thing that helps. I also discovered recently that subs out a player with bad motivation during half time, if he had done bad on that match, appears to improve that player's motivation later. Player with low motivation would often reverse upon transfer: a player with bad form directly from market would usually perform excellent instantly once he enter your team, and vice versa.

It is hard to identify the motivation of players because its value is hidden, but there are signs for it. The obvious one is that a player lose morale faster when the motivation is low. A player with high motivation may instead have his morale increasing over time, often there are cases players with zero morale gaining back to 100% on their own after playing some matchs because their motivation is near the peak.

In my experience, it is harder to get a good form if your team goes against a stronger team, as the chance of succeeding any action becoming lower and the chance to make mistakes becomes higher.

A player with high motivation could still fail and get a low form if he is out-played in a match, but the case will be isolated and inconsistence.
A player with low motivation would constantly getting bad results no matter how weak his opponents are.

Keep a player with good performance on the pitch while keeping under-performing players at the bench... This is supposed to be the most basic thing a good manager should do but often overlooked.

@Amane Ito

Good analysis if you're playing CM. But this is too much analysis for a simple game...

Εxcellent analysis my friend but I still believe that if there were two teams, one with 2* players, with high motivation and another one with 5* or 6* players with low performances (let’s say all team players had rates of 5) and played 10 times, the 6* team would won 10 out of 10. Maybe, after the game, we could read the board / visualization of the game, that the GK saved a double corner or he was injured but the defenders of the team didn’t let a mosquito passing through or that (the low Q team) ST lost 2 penalties – had a bad day etc

I don’t think this factor is so strong and some times I don’t know if really exists.
The reason is what Qambu saying.
I ‘m playing the game also with my android. From time to time there are offers (usually 1T) for downloading apps/ games. Two days ago, I was cleaning my phone from those games and I noticed this :

Calculator Plus 18 MB
Jewel mania/ Bubble Trouble 39 MB
Angry Birds 46 MB
Top Eleven 55 MB
Froggy Jump 2 56 MB.

I want to explain something.
It’s not fair to compare this game with a football/sources manager, 1-2 GB, pc game.
I really like this game and this period I log almost every day but the true power of the game is that it’s on line, playing with other human managers and also has this forum.

ps : I use those token I earn, to change the names of my cute little programs (I mean my players) to Brazilian football players :o

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Εxcellent analysis my friend but I still believe that if there were two teams, one with 2* players, with high motivation and another one with 5* or 6* players with low performances (let’s say all team players had rates of 5) and played 10 times, the 6* team would won 10 out of 10. Maybe, after the game, we could read the board / visualization of the game, that the GK saved a double corner or he was injured but the defenders of the team didn’t let a mosquito passing through or that (the low Q team) ST lost 2 penalties – had a bad day etc

I don’t think this factor is so strong and some times I don’t know if really exists.
The reason is what Qambu saying.
I ‘m playing the game also with my android. From time to time there are offers (usually 1T) for downloading apps/ games. Two days ago, I was cleaning my phone from those games and I noticed this :

Calculator Plus 18 MB
Jewel mania/ Bubble Trouble 39 MB
Angry Birds 46 MB
Top Eleven 55 MB
Froggy Jump 2 56 MB.

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The most sad thing is that client-sided changes for t11 are too small and not important. You can still play or login to this game with the older сlients. All changes are done in the server and I think that hidden values exists in this game. And I'm sure that token spending also helps to get better results.

I could assure you that a bottom limit of bad motivation is probably something you've never seen before.

Not only that player becomes useless, a player with extremely bad motivation is counter-productive. I've witnessed a bad player on the opposing team doing so well for me I easily made 5 goals on the first half, but opponent defense get back on its feet all of a sudden once that player being sent off taking a red card. His defense actually improved with 10 players instead of 11...

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

I could assure you that a bottom limit of bad motivation is probably something you've never seen before.

Not only that player becomes useless, a player with extremely bad motivation is counter-productive. I've witnessed a bad player on the opposing team doing so well for me I easily made 5 goals on the first half, but opponent defense get back on its feet all of a sudden once that player being sent off taking a red card. His defense actually improved with 10 players instead of 11...

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Well when a player gets a red card they usually get a bad rating anyways, so it might not be this bad motivation thing your talking about. Also there is a strange buy in the game that usually when a team gets a red card they perform better after it.

In my country we have an expression saying “the chicken create the egg or the egg create the chicken “ :confused:
The player with bad motivation condemned the team or the team (I mean the whole picture – Q/formation/orders etc ) lost the game and we saw in the visualization of the game that one or two players did the damage (with getting a red card, having bad rate, loosing a penalty or else).
I believe it’s the second. Why ?
-The program is too simple to consider all these factors/details we ‘re thinking and many more like : The speed of AML is bigger than the speed of the oppo DR so he has advantage.
I never had a player with a rate below 5 and 5 is very rare (only a GK I had, who was getting continuously 5 when I got the “Unbeaten” achievement ). I always had a good 5* team and even 2-3 players (occasionally free agents) I used in some easy games had rates of 6-8.
I ‘ve read here and there in the forum about hidden values/skills but I didn’t understand anything. The problem is that we don’t know for non hidden values like skills (Defense/Attack/M&P skill points), special abilities or use of the arrows .

My little 1* Striker (28Q in a Level 8 team) often gets pushed aside for the 'star' players but always muscles his way back in. Aside from a slump in the middle of last Season he's very reliable.

He likes to play on the left of a 2 and he doesn't arrows.

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I believe a form score of 5 means the player had no positive contribution overall (doing as many mistakes as successful plays) and anything below it are doing damage to the team instead of helping.

You should avoid bad players on the pitch - if you subs out a player who made 6 or below so far in a live match, you will notice a message saying that player is unhappy about it - a sign of doing the right decision.

It is worth noting that older players recover from slumps faster, a day on the bench is usually all it takes to recover his motivation to acceptable levels. For younger players it may not be that easy.

Nice one star forward btw:p

My friend Amane, the conversation changed - from low star players, good performers to if the rates of the players are real or a part of a successful or not (sometimes) , presentation of the match, I 've started a new thread relative to this.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...ll-result.html