Is TE unfair??

[minz90]

you only have to know how to Play it right. you will win if you want. i ve faced a lot of Teams if Scout or not. and i can tell you, i ve also beaten Teams with 7 or 8 stars. it s no Problem. if i have fewer Possession than usual, i have to react on this. maybe pressing full pitch instead own half. maybe defensive instead normal.

i met Managers which showed me their orders and arrows, because suddenly they cound not win anymore. i was amazed about their crazy orders and arrows.

from a certain Point a Manager have to know how the games works. since a "pupil", that i teached, learned it from me, he Plays much better and can win some trophies.

by the way, i dont want to be disrespectful, but i ve had the same Problem also on lvl 25. then there was the Point when i wanted to study this game. and now i am successful with 4 own Teams. lvl 6, lvl 9, lvl 25 and lvl 33

[pcmacdaniel]

As another token buyer, i'll chime in.

This game is pay to win. My squad has won 12 league titles, 8 cl crowns and 4 cup trophies in 13+ seasons. If buying tokens didn't give a significant advantage, I wouldn't have had this much success.

Part of the reason it appears that it isn't "pay to win," is because Nordeus treats its customers like crap. The scout list has to many "busts" for the cost of a scout. The injury ratio is absurd, and the higher quality players seem to get injured more than lower quality ones. How do several players suffer a decrease in morale after beating a team 10:0? Plus, all the games within 3 hours of each other, dropping condition alongside morale. Now leagues are based upon quality, similar to the cup; but teams from all leagues are treated the same pertaining to Champions League qualification. I'm not going to even get started on players that improve regarding form after spending multiple seasons on my team. So, power-training to maintain quality with the injury ratio, bye-bye reds and greens. Oh, and the cost of negotiations; an offer of 7 tokens to another managers costs me what, 23 tokens? Come on now, give more of the tokens to the other managers... It'll cheapen my cost and help them get more tokens!!!

Also, pertaining to morale/condition this seems to heavily impact matches from my experience. I would rather face a higher level manager that is a free-player than a lower-level manager that buys tokens every day of the week! I've beaten higher level, higher quality teams several times in the cup, then turn around and have a dud in the league against a lower quality team. How many blues/greens does it take to maintain max morale and condition for all important KO round matches against quality opposition? If chasing a treble with the new league draw system, it'll could take over 100 of such packs to win a treble if the league is tight. Under the old system (unless one fools the league draw), playing the backups could get the job done in several leagues, but now?

[nikolgiorgos]

@muskrat

so the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? if the top rated team won every single game, why would anyone want to play?

I 'm not saying this. I mean (by random or good/bad day) that the game doesn't give us enough evidence/clues/knowledge to be more managerial or coach better our teams or fix our mistakes and improve our team.
I 'm playing the game one year, winning a lot of trophies and still don't know how is working :
- the rating system
- a good player become all of sudden a bad performer (in a new season or in the middle of it)
- how I can prevent it or reverse it
- if special abilities has any function
- how critical is the formation in a match (I know, many will answer, that yes - but then, why playing a 4-4-2 ND, my AMC and two ST with better q couldn't won 1 oppo DC ?)
- how a player is performing with or without arrows
- what is the effect playing with hard/normal/easy tackling (same for offside, man to man/zonal)
- how the win bonus affect the performance and what is the role of morale
- why I have (or not sometimes) so many injuries

If we don't know sooo many basics of the game, I cannot judge another player if he is good manager or coach.

[Gert Funck]

@muskrat

I 'm not saying this. I mean (by random or good/bad day) that the game doesn't give us enough evidence/clues/knowledge to be more managerial or coach better our teams or fix our mistakes and improve our team.
I 'm playing the game one year, winning a lot of trophies and still don't know how is working :
- the rating system
- a good player become all of sudden a bad performer (in a new season or in the middle of it)
- how I can prevent it or reverse it
- if special abilities has any function
- how critical is the formation in a match (I know, many will answer, that yes - but then, why playing a 4-4-2 ND, my AMC and two ST with better q couldn't won 1 oppo DC ?)
- how a player is performing with or without arrows
- what is the effect playing with hard/normal/easy tackling (same for offside, man to man/zonal)
- how the win bonus affect the performance and what is the role of morale
- why I have (or not sometimes) so many injuries

If we don't know sooo many basics of the game, I cannot judge another player if he is good manager or coach.

nikolgiorgos great summery of some of the big questions of this game. I guess we all hunger at least some indicators from Nordeus to how these work/play/influence the game engine

[HoofDaddy]

Parity rarely exists both in nature and human society. A better question would be, is T11 balanced?

And the answer is yes, but only early on in the game. I don't think this game is fully pay-to win because random chance and superior tactics still have an effect on match results. Easier to blame Nordeus and keep spending tokens than admit you got tactically outplayed.

[Qambu Yaasi]

I too like to base past performances as a basis to buy a player. With Scouts, I know it is a throw of the dice as you are buying unproven "talent" but not performance.

Here's my take on negotiating or even buying players off TM that has good track records. They will suddenly not perform once they sign for you and this is because maybe

1. Orders and formation is different.
2. They are simply past it.

Unless you use the same formation or type formation eg. lone striker vs pair you are more likely to destroy the player.

[HoofDaddy]

If you are winning, you are doing it right, that's all I know lol

[TheRayFC]

I noticed this yesterday (that this is really bad),
my team was fit , i was there(i am almost always online when i need to play) i was against a lesser team,

and i lost big time..(strat yes)
the fun was gone and it still is, i deleted it yesterday so pissed of was i..

and to think of i am only in lv13..

[Buffs Mad]

The old thorny issue. As Nik says the game doesn't give us enough stats appropriate for team/player management.

What interests me is however why we don't ask questions about the 'simple' things eg What does Attacking do?

But then again if we were told would we believe it?

PS. We have been told the function of special abilities (just not the extent of the impact) and we have been told what arrows do.....which brings me back to my latter point, belief.

Manager: "Tell me the truth.
Dev: You can't handle the truth.

PPS. No its not fair.

[TheRayFC]

Is there ever a answer from a developer and or Admin on here ?
cause not much use for me to come back to this forum..

i find it a bit odd, that i see people here that complain from left to right(and that is fine on a pos).. but still play this POS !! (apparently).
i guess it is time to hit the delete button again...