This is not football. I am out

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10-13-2015
mmunger

This is not football. I am out

Alright, I had enough. I will quit this game at the end of the season and destroy my team in the process, to make sure no one can pick it up.

Why? Here's a list of problems that surely won't be addressed anytime soon because it is not in Nordeus' economic interest.

Draws: building a great team for one season and winning titles means you are automatically going to face too many formidable opponents the next season unless you invest a pile of money or spend hours farming resources to make your team incredibly powerful. Unrealistic.

Squad management: if you want to circumvent that, you have to destroy a good part of your squad at the end of a season to keep quality down and rebuild it the next season. No continuity. Just waves of players coming in and leaving. Unrealistic.

Player careers: In the circumstances, putting a competitive team together and keeping players for several seasons simply is impossible. After 4 seasons, that promising 18 year-old is slowing down at 22. A season or two later, he is out because he cannot keep up, although real football players tend to peak from 25 to 30. Unrealistic.

Tactics: Even if you play a 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1 with passing down the wings, your players will bunch up in the middle when you watch the game on mobile. Unrealistic.

Injuries: No matter what playing and training pattern you use, players get injured by pulled shirts and simple training sessions. One or two per day, which means an injury or two per week in football terms, no matter what you do. Unrealistic.

I'm finishing this season to win my last league title, renaming the team, its players and ditching Top Eleven. I wasted enough time on a game that favours spending over realism.
10-13-2015
El Pistolero

1. I hear ya bro. It seems you get punished the next season when you've done well the previous - for me I like the challenge, I have to improve again to compete. I don't pay to play I just spend a few days training and buying.

2. I don't destroy my team, I train them. My squad average age is now 18-19. Just turned 6* so all I do is keep the best performers and watch tons of videos for green packs and get that 6* back.

3. With the exception of few, not many players make it 5 years at a one club. Although i do agree nordeous do favour youth over experience when it comes to training and they should probably cap the increase from early 30s. For example. Di Natale, Drogba and Vidic were late bloomers who dramatically increased ability late in their careers.

4. I don't understand what's wrong with them bunching up in the middle. If you see most heat maps of real games the centre of the pitch is the most active. You don't really expect to have a guy standing on the touch line waiting for a long pass do you? Playing down the flanks often consist of taking on the defender dribbling past them and crossing from by-line.

5. Injuries are frustrating but it's still part of the game. That's what red packs are for.

I suggest you have a break for a month or 2. Log on every week just to sign a new contract and tank the season to keep good players.
10-14-2015
Celtic

There was a guy here who spent £1000 per month on the game. And while such people do it, it will keeo going.

Yes, and leagues are organized by spending profiles.

I've seen leagues of my level where all teams average 3* players. Including the champion who was all 3* and a couple of 4* players.

If I have a team with 3 players under 5*, I end in last.
10-14-2015
Celtic Warrior

Well, they make you spend as much as possible since last updates. I personally find it very frustrating but it is what is. You can still train your players after 22, but it will be significantly slower. I still have player that trains fast. It also depends on the wage of player. If he's most valuable and has high wage, he may still train fast
10-14-2015
cookizzz

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Originally Posted by mmunger

Draws: building a great team for one season and winning titles means you are automatically going to face too many formidable opponents the next season unless you invest a pile of money or spend hours farming resources to make your team incredibly powerful. Unrealistic.

Squad management: if you want to circumvent that, you have to destroy a good part of your squad at the end of a season to keep quality down and rebuild it the next season. No continuity. Just waves of players coming in and leaving. Unrealistic.

I prefer my team grows healthy and gradually instead of dramatically. My teams comprise of all or large portion of young players. Their average qualities gradually improve during the season (increase by about 0.1Q per day except those days with squad changes). At the beginning of each season, relative average qualities are more or less the same, around high 4 star or low 5 star (actually slightly increase in each season) after promoting to next level.

With this cycle, I play with teams with similar qualities in each season, and can always enjoy competing top 4 or champion in league in every season.

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Originally Posted by mmunger

Player careers: In the circumstances, putting a competitive team together and keeping players for several seasons simply is impossible. After 4 seasons, that promising 18 year-old is slowing down at 22. A season or two later, he is out because he cannot keep up, although real football players tend to peak from 25 to 30. Unrealistic.

First, for teams which do not promote in some seasons (I don't have experience), young players should be able to kept longer.

Second, good players can still be useful and kept even if its relative quality is dropped.

Third, players' growth really slow down at 22. But some of them are not too bad after 22. I have not carefully studied this but as I remember, some players still enjoyed quite healthy growth at age around 25.

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Originally Posted by mmunger

Tactics: Even if you play a 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1 with passing down the wings, your players will bunch up in the middle when you watch the game on mobile. Unrealistic.

Injuries: No matter what playing and training pattern you use, players get injured by pulled shirts and simple training sessions. One or two per day, which means an injury or two per week in football terms, no matter what you do. Unrealistic.

I agree that the injury period in T11 is longer than real world. But there are red packs in T11 world. So it cannot directly compare.

I do not rule out all conspiracies about injuries. It seems there are more injuries when I use more red packs. So now I apply them very carefully and often let some players to sit out for a few matches even if I have red pack stock. My red pack stock is used to dropped to zero. In last few seasons, it is often maintained at 100-250 even though I don't farm any red pack.

In my experience, my teams suffered severe injury problems in some seasons but also had far less injuries in other season. You may be just experiencing a season with bad luck.

I do not aim at convincing you to stay. But honestly speaking, there are too many real challenges at higher levels you have yet not experienced if you just played a few seasons.

Anyway, hope you still enjoy the game in last few days of this season and may be try out something interesting here.
10-14-2015
Färnebofjärdens

I love T11 with all its flaws. I wish though there was a complementary game with those points addressed and I would play both.
10-14-2015
minz90

Flat formations are to play with mixed focus!!
10-14-2015
HoofDaddy

They aren't they are meant to be played with arrows targeting the weak section of the opponents team.
10-17-2015
mmunger

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This is the proper way to say goodbye. The Red Stars Munich finish their last season with a league title, with a 5-point lead over some "Manchester City" clone.

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It was a decent run. Four league titles and a double in 7 seasons. In addition, three Cup semi-finals and one Champions League semi when the team went close to winning more trophies.

It was a solid last campaign with Petermann, Forsberg, Franken, Eriksen and Schouten burning defenders to score goals and provide assists.

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All good things come to an end, though. The following squad is very good, but it will be renamed as Abandoned FC to drift away slowly.

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Say goodbye to the Red Stars Munich ;)
10-17-2015
sf6868

It's very easy to understand. You are bad Coach!
The VICTORY alway depends on tactics, form of players, win bonus, ticket price for spectators, numbers of match per day,....

Celta Vigo Vs Barcelona 4-1
10-17-2015
Staggy Stagg

Going back to your original post, 1,2 and 3 are as is it in real life. When a team gets promoted from the championship to the premiership in England they have to buy numerous new players to compete. Take Watford this year, they bought 15 new players and off loaded those who were not good enough.That's the nature of football and T11 try to reflect this. You cannot expect to compete at every higher level without commitment and time.This is even more apparent at higher levels.
10-17-2015
mmunger

Quote:

Originally Posted by sf6868

It's very easy to understand. You are bad Coach!
The VICTORY alway depends on tactics, form of players, win bonus, ticket price for spectators, numbers of match per day,....

Celta Vigo Vs Barcelona 4-1

I am such a bad coach that I have a winning record ;)

I am not leaving because of the results. I just hate the process of having to deal with an unrealistic number of injuries, having to constantly renew the squad to keep the standards up.

Had you taken a minute or two to read, you would know. But you didn't do that. I guess you are just a bad reader.
10-18-2015
Joseph Sjarifudin

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Originally Posted by mmunger

I am such a bad coach that I have a winning record ;)

I am not leaving because of the results. I just hate the process of having to deal with an unrealistic number of injuries, having to constantly renew the squad to keep the standards up.

Had you taken a minute or two to read, you would know. But you didn't do that. I guess you are just a bad reader.

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Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

Going back to your original post, 1,2 and 3 are as is it in real life. When a team gets promoted from the championship to the premiership in England they have to buy numerous new players to compete. Take Watford this year, they bought 15 new players and off loaded those who were not good enough.That's the nature of football and T11 try to reflect this. You cannot expect to compete at every higher level without commitment and time.This is even more apparent at higher levels.

Blue =
this season my team also have many injury player, but that situation don't bother me coz i have backup player and sometimes use Red pack if i have stock

No need take too serious, this just game, continue play if you enjoy it, otherwise leave, at this point you already make right choice :)

Sorry for my bad English, cheer...
10-18-2015
cookizzz

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Originally Posted by mmunger

I am such a bad coach that I have a winning record ;)

I am not leaving because of the results. I just hate the process of having to deal with an unrealistic number of injuries, having to constantly renew the squad to keep the standards up.

Had you taken a minute or two to read, you would know. But you didn't do that. I guess you are just a bad reader.

I noted that your team has about 18 players. This is not a small squad. So I believe injury problems which can make you feeling bad are not minor. However, I still trust injury problems are only temporary. I regard temporary problems which are really difficult to handle with my limited abilities as challenges. To me, not only winning competitions are challenges.

How many players do you replace within a season approximately? How many team average quality points your team increases in whole season? I suppose it is about 5 if you compete with similar quality teams in every season.

As I remember, in low levels, it is not difficult to replace players who are not above 28 years old. Will you enjoy playing in levels in which it is difficult to sell any player before adding new one (the situation of my L19 team), or it is difficult to buy any player because of severe competition and limited 35T per season (the situation of my L27 team)? In both situations, the first problem is not number of players to be replaced. Instead, it is how players can be replaced.
10-18-2015
mmunger

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

I noted that your team has about 18 players. This is not a small squad. So I believe injury problems which can make you feeling bad are not minor. However, I still trust injury problems are only temporary. I regard temporary problems which are really difficult to handle with my limited abilities as challenges. To me, not only winning competitions are challenges.

How many players do you replace within a season approximately? How many team average quality points your team increases in whole season? I suppose it is about 5 if you compete with similar quality teams in every season.

As I remember, in low levels, it is not difficult to replace players who are not above 28 years old. Will you enjoy playing in levels in which it is difficult to sell any player before adding new one (the situation of my L19 team), or it is difficult to buy any player because of severe competition and limited 35T per season (the situation of my L27 team)? In both situations, the first problem is not number of players to be replaced. Instead, it is how players can be replaced.

There is no simple answer to this because things happened in waves. After the first few seasons, I noticed that my ageing players were unable to keep up unless I invested heavily in training and health packs. So I replaced the majority of them. Then, a few seasons later, the new guys slowed down enough for the pattern to repeat.

In season 5, I was hyperactive and I rebuilt the entire squad. Won a double with them in season 6 and I kept the squad intact in season 7. Ultimately, I realized that they would spend a few seasons together and I would have to rebuild and replace later on.

In the meantime, I dealt with so many injuries (no matter what training and playing patterns used) that I felt it was a useless enterprise to try keeping a team together. A couple of academy players would have to go in season 8 and the wave of players from season 5 would have to be replaced later on.

T11 won't make it possible for a player to have his whole career at a club unless you are ready to suffer disappointing seasons. Tanking to regroup and get back stronger? I guess I was not competent enough to make it happen. Look at seasons 3 and 4 in my signature. My best efforts to tank failed as T11 promoted me even when I was in 8th position.

Once again, this is not about results. I won trophies and made many semis and quarters. This is about how you have to manage a team to make it competitive. I like realism and seeing players become practically useless past 25 years old, unless bought as scouts, is not my cup of tea.
10-18-2015
cookizzz

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Originally Posted by mmunger

There is no simple answer to this because things happened in waves. After the first few seasons, I noticed that my ageing players were unable to keep up unless I invested heavily in training and health packs. So I replaced the majority of them. Then, a few seasons later, the new guys slowed down enough for the pattern to repeat.

In season 5, I was hyperactive and I rebuilt the entire squad. Won a double with them in season 6 and I kept the squad intact in season 7. Ultimately, I realized that they would spend a few seasons together and I would have to rebuild and replace later on.

In the meantime, I dealt with so many injuries (no matter what training and playing patterns used) that I felt it was a useless enterprise to try keeping a team together. A couple of academy players would have to go in season 8 and the wave of players from season 5 would have to be replaced later on.

T11 won't make it possible for a player to have his whole career at a club unless you are ready to suffer disappointing seasons. Tanking to regroup and get back stronger? I guess I was not competent enough to make it happen. Look at seasons 3 and 4 in my signature. My best efforts to tank failed as T11 promoted me even when I was in 8th position.

Once again, this is not about results. I won trophies and made many semis and quarters. This is about how you have to manage a team to make it competitive. I like realism and seeing players become practically useless past 25 years old, unless bought as scouts, is not my cup of tea.

Now I understand more about your feelings. You should feel extremely bad after being forced to promote. I always think Nordeus should at least give one-time special allowance to managers who are forced to promote.

Injury storms are really annoying even though I understand they are temporary. This game require time and effort. It is hard to continue if you lost passion to play.
10-18-2015
BeckStar

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Originally Posted by mmunger

Alright, I had enough. I will quit this game at the end of the season and destroy my team in the process, to make sure no one can pick it up.

Why? Here's a list of problems that surely won't be addressed anytime soon because it is not in Nordeus' economic interest.

Draws: building a great team for one season and winning titles means you are automatically going to face too many formidable opponents the next season unless you invest a pile of money or spend hours farming resources to make your team incredibly powerful. Unrealistic.

Im sorry but this is one of the realistic parts.. for example if A.C Roma were to invest a bilion in their squad they would
get good enouh to win the Serie A but next season they would be playing in CL where the competition is alot harder and and they would need to invest more if they want to win.. This is how it works..Look at your team as it's a new commer..
You would never see Frozinone who were in Serie B win the Serie A on their 1st season there.. that's what you want to do with your team? W/o investing you could play 2-3 seasons on each level and always win the league then promote..
I know it goes slow but that's a way to do it.. none says we have to get promoted and win everything everytime.. w/o investing real money, it takes lots of time else.. you can just buy tokens and build ur squad.

Squad management: if you want to circumvent that, you have to destroy a good part of your squad at the end of a season to keep quality down and rebuild it the next season. No continuity. Just waves of players coming in and leaving. Unrealistic.
+1.

Player careers: In the circumstances, putting a competitive team together and keeping players for several seasons simply is impossible. After 4 seasons, that promising 18 year-old is slowing down at 22. A season or two later, he is out because he cannot keep up, although real football players tend to peak from 25 to 30. Unrealistic.

It's impossible to do that unleas you repeat few levels... yet.. in real football you don't always win the league CL and cup every season.. unless you got someone to invest a fortune on ur team.

Injuries: No matter what playing and training pattern you use, players get injured by pulled shirts and simple training sessions. One or two per day, which means an injury or two per week in football terms, no matter what you do. Unrealistic.

19y on topeleven is 1 week in real life football..i usually get 8-9 injured players in around 50 games..that would be over a year, that's close to real football.

This is topeleven..
10-18-2015
Staggy Stagg

Injuries can be solved by not have intensive training for your players. I have mine to rest between games and have few injuries. I agree that my players may not get as far forward as others who train hard,but I seem to do alright.
10-18-2015
dave1311

This is not football. I am out

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Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

Going back to your original post, 1,2 and 3 are as is it in real life. When a team gets promoted from the championship to the premiership in England they have to buy numerous new players to compete. Take Watford this year, they bought 15 new players and off loaded those who were not good enough.That's the nature of football and T11 try to reflect this. You cannot expect to compete at every higher level without commitment and time.This is even more apparent at higher levels.

Totally agree.

KFC Loella.. Level 24
14 League Titles
3 Champions Leagues
1 Cup
10-20-2015
Sully

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

Going back to your original post, 1,2 and 3 are as is it in real life. When a team gets promoted from the championship to the premiership in England they have to buy numerous new players to compete. Take Watford this year, they bought 15 new players and off loaded those who were not good enough.That's the nature of football and T11 try to reflect this. You cannot expect to compete at every higher level without commitment and time.This is even more apparent at higher levels.

Watford is a bad example. They take most of their players on loan from Chel**** and other teams owned by the owner of Watford. He owns at least one team in every league. They most likely have to get new players every season, so that example is just worthless.