Need Confirmation!

The story here is, i'm trying to drop my team's value for a better cup's draw :o:o:o

I have two very quick questions.

1. The cup draw is based on the top 14 players (in term of quality) in the squad? Other guys dont matter, right?

2. The Cup draw is devided into many levels, for example i was fighting at level 8 cup last season, every level is seperated with each other by the gap of 5Q, so that the 45Q and the 44.9Q will be in the same Cup level ?

More illustrations:

Level 7 Cup: Top 14 players have average rating from 35 -> 39.9
Level 8 Cup: from 40 --> 44.9

Is this true?

1 - If I understand well, yeah, the better 14 players are used to see the promide of Quality, others don't count. Too we have to count that cones not added count as added.

2- No. The cup level = to the level of the better team that participes in the cup.

The cups are done, taking into accouint the Q., so, the 128 teams with more quality of your server, do the 1st Cup called "Shark Cup", then the next 128 better, do the 2nd cup, the next 128 do the 3rd, and continue till all cups are done. the Level of the cup and the prizes u will win will depend of, the level of the better team that participes, as Ive said.
For example I played the whole last year in cups of +3-4-5 levels. The +5 levels teams, are low Quality teams of +5 levels than me, and play with me because doing the list better Q to worst thats the order, they are next me in Q terms so, despit +5 levels the Q. is aprox mine, so I face them.

Hope I expleined.
I dont like the system, that's another thing I always complain. I only have 1 cup that is in ma signature. LOL

Cool, it's clear to me now.
Thank khris :o

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

Cool, it's clear to me now.
Thank khris :o

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I've noticed that the entire squad's rating is used now

Wow the selling away strategy does really work!! Now i'm in the Cup with level 5 team and 10Q lower than mine, let's win this season's cup!!

That's sure that the selling strategy works. I undertood that when I did not sell last season. But be careful, others do that too and from level 10-15 you may have bad surprises ! Like a +5 level manager who suddenly wakes up and starts buying players... You'd cry !
What I am less use of is the "14" magical number. Where is this coming from ? Has it been published by Nordeus ?

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

That's sure that the selling strategy works. I undertood that when I did not sell last season. But be careful, others do that too and from level 10-15 you may have bad surprises ! Like a +5 level manager who suddenly wakes up and starts buying players... You'd cry !
What I am less use of is the "14" magical number. Where is this coming from ? Has it been published by Nordeus ?

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Thats what happened to me last season..Dont need + 5 levels..Just 2 levels only in my case...I was confident till semi final CUP that the level 30 team just about same quality as mine level 28..but then just b4 the match..like u said..hehe..he suddenly "woke up"..and hic...U know..I lost 1-4 AGG (1-1 at home and 0-3 at his stadium)..and settled at 3rd place of CUP competition...huhuhu...

LOL! Cant help laughing when u said 'someone's gonna wake up and buy players' :D:D
14 the magical number i read somewhere over the rainbow, i cant remember, ofc it's not a random number but i can't guarantee anything too.

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

LOL! Cant help laughing when u said 'someone's gonna wake up and buy players' :D:D
14 the magical number i read somewhere over the rainbow, i cant remember, ofc it's not a random number but i can't guarantee anything too.

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14 is the magic number, but I think it's 11 for the league.
This was my team at the end of last season so take a * off of each player to see how they lined up yesterday. I'll tell you tomorrow if it's an average of the 14 players for the league, or 11.
I got caught out last season as, although I got a great Cup draw my 2* team was in a 5* league
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14 the magical number i read somewhere over the rainbow, i cant remember, ofc it's not a random number but i can't guarantee anything too.

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yes, it's 14 for the Cup.
I think the info is from the ancient years, when nordeus people was communicate with some forum members or mods :p

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Originally Posted by Arion

I've noticed that the entire squad's rating is used now

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No one confirmed or disputed this? And was this re: Cup, CL, League, or all three?

I am LV6... scratch that, big LV7 now!... and just started figuring things out midway through the last season. Reading the forum helps, but you oldtimers have no idea how confusing the info here can be. There are three problems that I see:

- people writing in shorthand that only their peers understand
- people writing in very bad English
- old information (dated 2013 and 2014) being stickied and published as guides and how-tos with no way to judge whether it's still current as the game gets updated.

But I digress. In the first 5 seasons I would buy the highest rated player I could get my hands on whenever I made enough cash, and then sell the lowest rated player in the same position (or the one I could get the most money back for). I did this throughout the season and typically finished with 5* through 3* players.

Last season, I found the forum and read about selling players as they get to X4 and X9 quality and also about selling off the high rated players at the end of season and not buying new high rated players until the draw -- in order to get better draws. A real eye opener was seeing screenshots of some top tier teams here in the forum that are full of 1* benchwarmers.

Still, I don't think I have read or seen enough. I had no idea about only the top 14 (or top 11) being used. I bought some 3* and low 4* players towards the end and sold off many of my 5* players, and still got into a Level 10 cup being a Level 7 team. My average Q is about 47+, but my first team is 49+.

Now I am guessing we are hours away from the league draw and I am watching with envy these Q54 players in the transfer market not daring to grab them for fear of ending up in a tougher league (I finished #4 last year after winning three seasons; the guy who won the league was a level 15 sandbagger playing with us level 6s).

My question is: is there a universal or at least universally understood strategy for buying and selling at the end and beginning of season for the purpose of getting the best draw in C, CL and League? Maybe there is a guide I should read.

My second question is: am I correct in waiting until the League draw to start bidding on the Q53-54 players (highest available in my transfer market)?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by ponzu

No one confirmed or disputed this? And was this re: Cup, CL, League, or all three?

I am LV6... scratch that, big LV7 now!... and just started figuring things out midway through the last season. Reading the forum helps, but you oldtimers have no idea how confusing the info here can be. There are three problems that I see:
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Thanks!

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I didnt know level 7 was so hard like this, for me things are going easily as i'm level 6.

League and Champion league's draws are generated only based on the level of your team, regardless the quality of your players.

About your question, if you want easy cup draw, at the end of the season, sell all your squad, except for 6-9 players with 6-7 stars rating. Buy 3 star players to fill in until you get enough 14 players, you can also get 1 star players by signing contracts from the club's young academy.
The range 6 - 9 is decided by whether you have enough token to fight for new players / buying scouts or not.
At the start of new season, take a look at your upcoming Cup opponent, if he's strong, rush some token into the market to buy new players/scouts. If he's not, take your time, wait few days until the market is cool off then buy, that way you can save some tokens.

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Originally Posted by gogs67

14 is the magic number, but I think it's 11 for the league.
This was my team at the end of last season so take a * off of each player to see how they lined up yesterday. I'll tell you tomorrow if it's an average of the 14 players for the league, or 11.
I got caught out last season as, although I got a great Cup draw my 2* team was in a 5* league

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Seem for League not top 11 player but overall team quality, my top 11 player avg 71.0 (6*) while my team quality at 64.1 (4*)
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League table, no 6* team, 1 team 3* + 3 team 5* and rest 4*
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@ Ponzu
What is a "Sandbagger " ?

hate the "cheat" drawing...for those sell players in the last day to lower the team quality for meeting the lower LV team... this system should be change to the whole season overall quality of the top 14 (or 11 players whatever ) instead... or just random for +- 1 LV ...

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

hate the "cheat" drawing...for those sell players in the last day to lower the team quality for meeting the lower LV team... this system should be change to the whole season overall quality of the top 14 (or 11 players whatever ) instead... or just random for +- 1 LV ...

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Haha, i used to hate this way too, i love my squad so much that i dont want to sell any of them at the end of the season.
But it's the best way to win Cup, or you can only bet on your luck, because the element of surprise is too BIG in cup matches, a team with 5Q higher, counter formation, manager presence would still lose.
On the other hand, if you have too many "valuable" players in your squad (young, 6-7 stars, have SAs), you cant follow this strategy, no one wants to sell those players!
But i suggest, we shouldn't build a team with 100% fast trainer, should only use them on important positions: AMR/AML/MC/DL/DC, other positions we should use regular players bought from market, use them for 1 season, then sell them. They are so called "the expendables" :cool:

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Originally Posted by Bunzo

@ Ponzu
What is a "Sandbagger " ?

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A sandbagger in general is someone who engages in sandbagging, i.e., deliberately underperforming in order to lull the opposition into false sense of security and strike at the right moment. A sandbagger in TE, in my mind, is someone who is L15 and playing in a L6 league. Like the guy who won my last league. Most of his first team were fully developed 5-6* with multiple positions and special abilities. He must have tanked several seasons to train them. I don't have a record of his team to figure out how he got into a L6 league. Perhaps he had a bunch of 1* players. This goes against the explanation that was given above, so I have to ask/think again how he did it. His average Q was not much higher than the rest of the league, but if each player has a special ability, that's worth about 3* by my calculation that is not part of the official rating. So perhaps the leagues are formed by average quality and not level after all?

The trick with selling off players at the end for a better cup draw does not seem very attractive to me. I would rather play and think like a real manager and build my team steadily by buying and developing the best players and being loyal to the best performing players even if their rank does not reflect their production. Around L5 and early in L6 I thought the rank was everything, so I sold off my start performers from previous seasons just because players with 4 more stars became available as my level increased. A lot of these acquisitions did not pan out. I have since read that newly acquired players often don't do well for a while. I don't know if that's the "official" community wisdom or just one manager's opinion.

Anyway, I won the cup the very first season I joined (where I was given a random team in the middle of a season and a cup draw). I won three rounds and the cup and thought "wow, that was easy". So at least I got that out of my system. I have won one CL and three leagues since -- before I came to the forums. The forums made everything harder because now I overthink everything. But I don't think I could have gone on without the forums. I was sinking in my L6 league fast and ended up clawing my way into the 4th spot in the last two rounds -- thanks to what I learned about the formations and tactics.

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

I didnt know level 7 was so hard like this, for me things are going easily as i'm level 6.

League and Champion league's draws are generated only based on the level of your team, regardless the quality of your players.

About your question, if you want easy cup draw, at the end of the season, sell all your squad, except for 6-9 players with 6-7 stars rating. Buy 3 star players to fill in until you get enough 14 players, you can also get 1 star players by signing contracts from the club's young academy.
The range 6 - 9 is decided by whether you have enough token to fight for new players / buying scouts or not.
At the start of new season, take a look at your upcoming Cup opponent, if he's strong, rush some token into the market to buy new players/scouts. If he's not, take your time, wait few days until the market is cool off then buy, that way you can save some tokens.

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I don't know if L7 will be hard as it just started. Everything was easy through L5. L6 was a nightmare as I was losing to teams with lower Q. When I got spanked 0:7 by a team that on paper was my equal, I went to the forums for the first time. That's where I found out that formations matter and that some formations can counter other formations. I played the last game of the season against the same guy (he had clinched the league with 1 loss by then) and beat him 3:1 on his pitch. And I did not even give my guys a bonus as the win or loss did not affect my standings, I had clinched the 4th. I credit my rise from 8th to 4th to the wisdom of the forums. But what makes it so hard is that the information is so spread out, and some of it seems speculative. Also, getting partial information could we worse than not having any information, as was the case with me sitting back for two days (after the Cup started, but before the league) and not buying any high quality players. I will find the guide where the author says not to buy high Q players for the first 3 days as this will affect your league draw. You seem to disagree?

So let me get this straight:

Cup draw depends on the average Q of your top 14 players.

CL and League draw depend on your manager's Level?

I am L7 and ended up in a L10 cup because I did not figure out how to play the "selloff" game in time, and probably won't bother next season. I am in a L7 league and L7 CL and everyone seems to be L7. But I distinctly remember playing against higher level managers in late rounds of CL in previous seasons, and I know for a fact that the guy who won my last league (and beat me 7:0 in the process) was L15. I wrote about him in the last post. I made him my friend when the league was all but over and I can see he is not L16. With that said, he and I started the same month last year. I made top four in every season and got promoted to the next level. Plenty of people I friended in L1-L2 are now 1 or 2 levels behind me (I assume because they did not make top 4 -- or how does the game decide whether to promote the manager to the next L). So it is not clear me how a guys who started the same month as me managed to play 9 more seasons.

Perhaps he started early in 2015, got to L9 and then started a new L1 team while retaining his manager level, his skills and probably his tokens? If that's possible (and applies here), then the league and CL draw is not based on the manager's level, but the team level? How would that be calculated and where is it shown? Perhaps I need to look around the browser version rather than always being stuck in the app.

Some guys already use this strategy in the cup, it is long term strategy. The best way to decrease avQ is to keep few (at least 4) 0T academy players in team (as reserves). Instead of improving them by adding SP to skills, you should train special ability or new position for that player to spend SP. That is better than saving skill points because you could auto add them by accident. More promotions you get, more influence would they take to the stars average.
2 seasons ago I've faced such opponent in the cup (1 level above me), his 1st team had 7* players and 1* players (according to my level). He lost the cup finals against team which had 9* players and 1* players, but whose avQ was equal as mine.
It is unfair strategy, but the cup is unfair competition by default, so...

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

Haha, i used to hate this way too, i love my squad so much that i dont want to sell any of them at the end of the season.
But it's the best way to win Cup, or you can only bet on your luck, because the element of surprise is too BIG in cup matches, a team with 5Q higher, counter formation, manager presence would still lose.
On the other hand, if you have too many "valuable" players in your squad (young, 6-7 stars, have SAs), you cant follow this strategy, no one wants to sell those players!
But i suggest, we shouldn't build a team with 100% fast trainer, should only use them on important positions: AMR/AML/MC/DL/DC, other positions we should use regular players bought from market, use them for 1 season, then sell them. They are so called "the expendables" :cool:

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5Q higher? then you never taste what is the CUP with high level....
LV7 against LV11...Q62.1 all 7 star is my first team in LV7 (last season)...against LV11...Q78~ fair enough? in LV7...even if i use 1800+ token for person train for only 1 player... my highest Q can get right away is Q74~ fair enough for this cheating concept? this have to be changed! draw for the top 14 players for whole season quality, or go it for just random in +-2 LV is ok, but never in last day quality! (in the real world, can any team do this cheat drawing?? NO! )

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Originally Posted by ponzu

I don't know if L7 will be hard as it just started. Everything was easy through L5. L6 was a nightmare as I was losing to teams with lower Q. When I got spanked 0:7 by a team that on paper was my equal, I went to the forums for the first time. That's where I found out that formations matter and that some formations can counter other formations. I played the last game of the season against the same guy (he had clinched the league with 1 loss by then) and beat him 3:1 on his pitch......

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Level bug is common, i've seen many team with 1x, 2x level but started playing only weeks before me.

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Take this as an example, but dont worry, their level is nothing more than a digital number, all other factors are the same as yours.

Lv 7 vs Lv 10 Cup, I faced this too, last season my team (lv5) usually had to fight with lv 7-8 team. Because we train our players too much, our top 14 players have high rating, so you end up with +1, +2 level teams, and if there is a manager who uses sell-away strategy, his level will be +3 than your. This happens.

You may find it hard to win the tittles (league, Cup, CL) because in your server there are many good managers, you can't do anything about this. I have learned that from million of Top 11 players on the world, we are devided to many servers and stuck in this server till the rest of our life. So if you're ultra unlucky, your server is filled with time-spenders or money-spenders.

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

5Q higher? then you never taste what is the CUP with high level....
LV7 against LV11...Q62.1 all 7 star is my first team in LV7 (last season)...against LV11...Q78~ fair enough? in LV7...even if i use 1800+ token for person train for only 1 player... my highest Q can get right away is Q74~ fair enough for this cheating concept? this have to be changed! draw for the top 14 players for whole season quality, or go it for just random in +-2 LV is ok, but never in last day quality! (in the real world, can any team do this cheat drawing?? NO! )

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There are 2 possibilities: One, Your team is filled with 7 stars, 8 stars players, then you are placed into Cup Table with lv 11 teams. Two, those level 11 managers have learned that to win Cup, we should sell our strong players at the end of the season, so their Top 14's quality is dropped to your number, so here we go, 7 vs 11.

Yes, i know this is cheating, but it costs something too.

- 1. Lower level Cup gives you less money, so a team which plays at low Cup level will gain much less money than a level 7 team which plays at level 11 Cup. We must confest Cup gives much more money than CL and League competions.
- 2. Selling your squad makes it harder for you to build up new squad at the start of new season, and also brings enormous difficulty to build up a long-term team filled with youngsters/fast trainer (because we have to sell them at the last days)

But what if we change this? Like you say, the Cup draw doesnt depend on team quality anymore, so if there is a token-buyer, he buys a lot of young players and power trains them to superstar quality, then he keeps winning Triple Crown from season to season, is it fun to play anymore ? From player perspective, it will make the game too boring if you are spender. From Game developer's perspective, their income will go less because after building a strong team in one season, a spender can freely win everything in the next 5 seasons without any big investment.

Ahlony is just a token buyer hunting trebles, don't mind him, he still thinks his whole squad has to be 7* to get it.

@Ponzu
Did you ever think he was a level 15 manager that has taken over a lower level team ? If he was "Tanking" every season how would his manager level rise ?
Because if you check you´ll find he has a level 6 team(same as yourself) even though he´s a level 15 manager

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Originally Posted by gogs67

14 is the magic number, but I think it's 11 for the league.
This was my team at the end of last season so take a * off of each player to see how they lined up yesterday. I'll tell you tomorrow if it's an average of the 14 players for the league, or 11.
I got caught out last season as, although I got a great Cup draw my 2* team was in a 5* league
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Well, Cup and league draw seem to be the same, all 2* and 3* teams. So after being in a 5* league last year after doing exactly the same thing (keeping 6 'good' players and 8 low Q) I get totally different result for the league draw than I did a month ago. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Bunzo

@Ponzu
Did you ever think he was a level 15 manager that has taken over a lower level team ? If he was "Tanking" every season how would his manager level rise ?
Because if you check you´ll find he has a level 6 team(same as yourself) even though he´s a level 15 manager

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I did eventually, and posted as much. The distinction between a manager level and team level was unknown to me and still is not clear. You say "if you check", but the phone app only shows one level (and looks like it's the manager level). I will poke around the browser app to see if team levels are listed. Or is team level something that is implicit in their avQ?

So manager level has no impact on draws, correct?

Manager level goes up by 1 if manager gets into top 4 of the league? That is my assumption based on my past experience and no one has told me differently.

Team level is based on... what?

Cup draw is based on the avQ of the top 14 player?

League and CL draw is based on the team level? (which is based on what? see question above)

Did I get any of this right?

@Ponzu
The cup draw is starting from the top of the server (the higher levels) making groups of 128 teams by similar quality of the best 14 players and going down to the bottom, with lv1 teams.
The same with the CH.L., making groups of 32 teams who finished in 1-4th position of their leagues.
Starting from the top of the server, means that in some CH.L. groups there are teams from a level above or bellow.
The draw is random. In some groups you can find some teams with very low quality from low q leagues.
The league draw is coming from quality but there are some other factors that counts too.
maybe how active is the manager for example.
Anyway, this is not clear yet, but for my experience I can say that an active manager cannot manipulate the league draw (it needs very low q, of 1-2* players), so don't bother.

There is a thread about the cup
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...w-win-cup.html
which you can read (I don't know how more clear can be :rolleyes: )
and there is a thread with examples of the league draw.
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...aw-system.html
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Originally Posted by legendqueen

There are 2 possibilities: One, Your team is filled with 7 stars, 8 stars players, then you are placed into Cup Table with lv 11 teams. Two, those level 11 managers have learned that to win Cup, we should sell our strong players at the end of the season, so their Top 14's quality is dropped to your number, so here we go, 7 vs 11.

Yes, i know this is cheating, but it costs something too.

- 1. Lower level Cup gives you less money, so a team which plays at low Cup level will gain much less money than a level 7 team which plays at level 11 Cup. We must confest Cup gives much more money than CL and League competions.
- 2. Selling your squad makes it harder for you to build up new squad at the start of new season, and also brings enormous difficulty to build up a long-term team filled with youngsters/fast trainer (because we have to sell them at the last days)

But what if we change this? Like you say, the Cup draw doesnt depend on team quality anymore, so if there is a token-buyer, he buys a lot of young players and power trains them to superstar quality, then he keeps winning Triple Crown from season to season, is it fun to play anymore ? From player perspective, it will make the game too boring if you are spender. From Game developer's perspective, their income will go less because after building a strong team in one season, a spender can freely win everything in the next 5 seasons without any big investment.

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well... what i mean is the top 14 player overall quality for the whole season, which mean if one is a token-buyer and super star quality... he is still facing strong team in high level, but his can prevent the "last day drop quality"... which cheating the draw for an unfair CUP

this mean ...every day...the system recorded the average quality of top 14 players in the team~ add up those 28 days and then divided by 28~ then this come out the "team quality" and use this to draw the CUP~ instead of the last day quality~

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Ahlony is just a token buyer hunting trebles, don't mind him, he still thinks his whole squad has to be 7* to get it.

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you know what, i never spend 1 cent, but i still have 7* player in my first 11 squad...so,what?

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Originally Posted by gogs67

Well, Cup and league draw seem to be the same, all 2* and 3* teams. So after being in a 5* league last year after doing exactly the same thing (keeping 6 'good' players and 8 low Q) I get totally different result for the league draw than I did a month ago. Go figure.

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i think CUP is depend on the top 14 or whatever number players quality...
league and CL seems to be base on the overall quality....(whatever the team quality is) cause every time, my league & CL seems around my quality...(i have some U21 players in team) while CUP is facing high level~

sorry, pack farmer then

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

well... what i mean is the top 14 player overall quality for the whole season, which mean if one is a token-buyer and super star quality... he is still facing strong team in high level, but his can prevent the "last day drop quality"... which cheating the draw for an unfair CUP

this mean ...every day...the system recorded the average quality of top 14 players in the team~ add up those 28 days and then divided by 28~ then this come out the "team quality" and use this to draw the CUP~ instead of the last day quality~

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Good idea, can prevent the "cheat".
But the it will be still hard for you to win Cup's tittle right? Because ultimately you are still matched up with equal teams.
Moreover, i dont think Nordeus's gonna do anything about this selling-at-the-last-days option, why? Because this way managers will spend more tokens at the beginning of new season, which is good for Nordeus. Think about it, when sell half of your team and rebuild it for new season, it will cost you a lot of tokens to bid in auction market and/or buying from scout.

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Originally Posted by ponzu

I did eventually, and posted as much. The distinction between a manager level and team level was unknown to me and still is not clear. You say "if you check", but the phone app only shows one level (and looks like it's the manager level). I will poke around the browser app to see if team levels are listed. Or is team level something that is implicit in their avQ?

So manager level has no impact on draws, correct?

Manager level goes up by 1 if manager gets into top 4 of the league? That is my assumption based on my past experience and no one has told me differently.

Team level is based on... what?

Cup draw is based on the avQ of the top 14 player?

League and CL draw is based on the team level? (which is based on what? see question above)

Did I get any of this right?

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Team level = Manager level. Isn't it obvious?

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

Team level = Manager level. Isn't it obvious?

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Not at all. The winner of my last league was showing LV15. He played in a LV6 league, so his team must have been LV6. As someone pointed out, he must have taken over a new team when he reached LV9.

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Originally Posted by ponzu

Not at all. The winner of my last league was showing LV15. He played in a LV6 league, so his team must have been LV6. As someone pointed out, he must have taken over a new team when he reached LV9.

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Dont you read my post? there are level bug in this game, for example, my friend's in level 7 league but his level is displayed as 27, it's not a rare bug.
I dont know about taking over new team., to know exactly if he's taken over new team or not, you can check the day he started playing, if it's long time ago then it's true.

And, why are you worried about this situation? Even if he's level 15, or 9, Does his squad have higher rating than yours? If he's level 15 playing at level 7 league, his squad must be at legend quality.

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

Dont you read my post?

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I do. I don't alway get everything, as I mentioned you guys have developed a shorthand of sorts, which I am still learning. But I try.

There may be a bug, but there is a thread in the Guides forum on how (and why) to take over a new team. I myself was tempted to do it instead of going to LV7 when I realized how many mistakes I have made in the first 6 seasons. The guy in question started just long enough before me to fit this assumption. I wish there was in-game messaging. I friended him just before last season was over because I was so impressed with his performance and intrigued by his stats.

Also, now that I finally made it to the web app I see manager level and team level clearly stated. Both of mine happen to be 7. Both of yours are 6. Here's to it always staying in sync for both of us.

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And, why are you worried about this situation?

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I am a programmer. I must understand how programs work.

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Originally Posted by ponzu

Not at all. The winner of my last league was showing LV15. He played in a LV6 league, so his team must have been LV6. As someone pointed out, he must have taken over a new team when he reached LV9.

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you don't have to start at lvl 1 when taking over a new club. generally you get teams -5 levels and lower from your current level.

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Originally Posted by legendqueen

Good idea, can prevent the "cheat".
But the it will be still hard for you to win Cup's tittle right? Because ultimately you are still matched up with equal teams.
Moreover, i dont think Nordeus's gonna do anything about this selling-at-the-last-days option, why? Because this way managers will spend more tokens at the beginning of new season, which is good for Nordeus. Think about it, when sell half of your team and rebuild it for new season, it will cost you a lot of tokens to bid in auction market and/or buying from scout.

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well...maybe...but at least people won't face those "cheat" draw (at least got the "fair" quality draw), think about that the last day drop team quality won't really affect so much of the "whole" (28days) quality....

well... and that depends... they take me out in the first round of CUP...so...what is the point for me to spend token?? my first team already 7 stars ( i didn't spend tokens or many packs to get them there, they are all Q 63 or 64 from last season, thanks to all the matches of the CL and league...)...and they are good enough to handle two matches a day~ that is the reason why I save so many tokens and packs (since season 5)... i have no reason to spend any at the beginning of the season....all my first team i got from 18 age....fast train....they can stay for at least 23-24 age...which is 4-5 season in my team...so do i still need to get new players while people like me that out for the first round of the CUP because of the "cheat draw" ? (well... even, i might spend 2-3 in the middle season if i spot a new fast trainer in the middle season... but i don't need to join the actions at the beginning of the season....right? )

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

well...maybe...but at least people won't face those "cheat" draw (at least got the "fair" quality draw), think about that the last day drop team quality won't really affect so much of the "whole" (28days) quality....

well... and that depends... they take me out in the first round of CUP...so...what is the point for me to spend token?? my first team already 7 stars ( i didn't spend tokens or many packs to get them there, they are all Q 63 or 64 from last season, thanks to all the matches of the CL and league...)...and they are good enough to handle two matches a day~ that is the reason why I save so many tokens and packs (since season 5)... i have no reason to spend any at the beginning of the season....all my first team i got from 18 age....fast train....they can stay for at least 23-24 age...which is 4-5 season in my team...so do i still need to get new players while people like me that out for the first round of the CUP because of the "cheat draw" ? (well... even, i might spend 2-3 in the middle season if i spot a new fast trainer in the middle season... but i don't need to join the actions at the beginning of the season....right? )

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Well, i dont want this arguement to go any further, you can choose the way you play :)

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Originally Posted by ponzu

Not at all. The winner of my last league was showing LV15. He played in a LV6 league, so his team must have been LV6. As someone pointed out, he must have taken over a new team when he reached LV9.

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Practically this is the answer
The level of the manager is the level of the league his team is playing.
"Practically", meaning that you and him have the same abilities.
So, the only confusion is in first two days of the season, when you cannot see in which league he is playing.
Beyond that, it's more complicate (and interesting too), so I 'll write some day a thread about that.

So, I tanked the last season, building up the team quality and only buying 2 players. I'm still trying to win a cup that I still miss. Yesterday at the start of the season I realise I ended up in a cup 1 level higher than me! I still qualified by sheer luck (3-3 home and 2-3 away) and won today (from 3-1 to 3-4), but I won't have luck for much longer.

If only I knew before :(

However I still think the cup is too subtle and unfair, I could almost never do anything great.