Me too I had two 9-day injuries in only two daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I used 30 red packs in two days :(
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Me too I had two 9-day injuries in only two daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I used 30 red packs in two days :(
Sometimes mid-season tanking fails and can be risky, since there are teams so horrible who can't even win when you tank. Rather try to capitalise on the 3rd/4th position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awe Imoleayo Peter
here is some of my league competitors
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here you can have some of my red packs I don't seem to have a use for them :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
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If only you could give me some. I have no money in the credit card account to buy some tokens to turn to red packs, else I would have done it. Also, the club is low on virtual cash; so, I am very limited in terms of doing new transfers (even temporary ones) right now. I have checked the market a few times, and there only a few players I can bid on, but they appear to be not good enough, and also they are relatively old (31-33 years).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert Funck
But, I'm sure there is something fishy concerning injuries happening in this game.
Palace Casuals (Level 30) have been relatively injury-free for several seasons, average one a (RL) week:
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Whereas, Palace Terriers (Level 11) have had, on average, an injury every two days:
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If only there was a way of turning unwanted Red packs into Green ones to mitigate the effects of the new training system... :rolleyes:
Let's see it in another way. Given the amount of red packs you have on the injury-free account, it will make no sense to force you get injuries as this will not force you use/buy tokens or complete offers. But, on the other account where you have a few red packs, it will be a business move to cause injuries, especially if you are likely to need some specific players for forthcoming matches. There are trends that can be observed for injuries, that is which players get injured and when.
One element that would increase the lower-level team's injury count (if you believe the Nordeus spiel) is the high number of opponents still playing at a basic, or poorly-upgraded, initial stadium - how do they get the money in to survive?
But, I think they are overdoing it; that is they are being greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
My team suffered it's first loss today, after almost 1.5 seasons, that is from when I made my comeback. A 1-1 draw away and a 2-3 loss at home against a slightly weaker team knock my team out of the Champions League at the 1/8 stage. I pushed my players to the max on the pitch, and some of their conditions were as low as 60% after the match.
From what I saw today, I think that there is something fishy going on with this game. It appears that for some games or knock-out stages the engine has already decided who is going to win or who is going to go through this round. I also suspect a sort of relationship with the competition grouping and draws that are done at the start of the season.
It might still be possible that the other team won based on tactics only (or based on form and tactics), but I highly doubt it.
I experienced something quit similar last year (2015), where I won the away match 2-1, but lost on penalties at home after a 1-2 loss. By the way things were going during the match, it was evident how the match was fixed.
By the way, there were excessive injuries occurring in that particular season too. So, some things appear no more as coincidences.
Also, I suspect that at some point the engine favours a particular team significantly so that this team wins the competition or earn related achievements (win the competition, win the treble, break the winning streak of a team and so on).
So, briefly, I can say that some things in this game are made to happen, that is they do not depend much on you or on how you manage your team.
I had a plan for reviving my other team (Virtual F.C) around end of May-start of June. I planned to purchase significant amount of tokens and build a 'super' team, a team that I intended to build so that it will have all the qualities needed to play how I want to play. But, after what I saw, I will probably not do it. It would be a waste of money if such bad things are there in this game. It is still best to play this game with little to no expenditure from your pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
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Nothing much can be done more. It seems that the game has decided to knock my team out, or maybe there still some important things to learn in this game. For now, I have to bow down and accept defeat.
By the way, Toplica Hoffman will be sold at the end of this season. It was a GK that I put my trust in, but he has been disappointing in those 2 matches. And guess what? The recommendations that came today were GKs. There are things that are no more a coincidence in this game. There are many things that are likely to be made to happen, set up or that are fixed.
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Agreed wholeheartedly - how else can you explain a team that won 4-0 in the home leg conceding 3 goals in the last 17 minutes of the 2nd Leg, having resisted all efforts up to then - so the opponent can win after extra time and penalties of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post400642
Ah... you noticed that too. Same thing happen to me last year (2015). I won the away leg 2-1, but the game appeared to setting things up in the home game. It went to extra time and I lost on penalties. During that match, that is before going to penalty shoot-outs, my best player, a player who never missed a penalty, missed one. Everything was happening but the decisive goal to get my team qualified simply 'did not want to come'. And you know what, at that time, I was using 4-5-1(V); don't come and tell me it easy to score 2 goals past a superior team playing a defensive 4-5-1(V) in his stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
In some cases, the opposing team might even get one or a few red cards, but still you won't get to win this match or get a good enough result to go to the next stage. It is as if the game is trying to fool you.
There is something else I have observed. In some cases, where you have won the first leg by large margins or whatappeared to be a great result, in the second leg it is as if something has changed significantly; the other team start scoring for fun against you despite being inferior, playing away and kept the same formations and tactics as in the previous leg, while your players does not seem to want to play or they are playing but all efforts go in vain.
That's what I call the '2nd Leg kick in the teeth'. The squad grafts away and gets a 1-0 win in the away 1st Leg, then apparently forgets how to play in the home 2nd Leg and the opposition team deals a 0-2 defeat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
Usually the opposing team is a tad below in Quality but plays an adventurous formation that gets results, and, with home possession advantage, your team should win handily if you get the (counter-)formation and tactics correct. On match day, the opposition manager doesn't turn up and you are there with a full house and a friend and thus have full 15% possession bonus...
Are you coming around to the idea that there could be 'Troll' results in this game, and these sorts of matches we are discussing is where they start? :p
I just noticed teams below me are wack. They can't win enough point to drop me to 8, so I will fight this out. No more losing hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
I have healed not less than 10players in Golden eaglets. No more reds. I Am Fed UpQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
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Another Injury, this time 12 days.This is getting annoying. I'm sure there is something fishy going on in this game. My team already got several injuries (6-8 days) earlier in the season which I healed using red packs - so much that only 6 red packs are left. How am I going to heal the current injuries? I have no money left in the credit card account, and no offers are available for my region.
I have no fans (no one is in the friend's list beside the default Mourinho team), and yet I dominate possession even in away matches. See the pictures posted earlier (1-1 draw). I dominate most of my opponents, not only in terms of possession, but in everything or almost everything in the match, and mostly obtain the required result, though at times the score can be narrow, most probably due to random effects. My games are based only on tactics and quality. It is those what appeared to be 'fixed' matches and those excessive injuries that is my concern. And, it is even more a problem when it occurs in important matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
I know, but there are many things reported as 'troll' here that are not as such.Why? Because it can seen what tactical error(s) the user made or how the other team managed to win, based on the posted images, feedback and so on. Many users won't see this this, and even I was not seeing many of them in the early days, that is when I started to play this game, and me too I was complaining about this and that. This is understandable. Also, not everyone has tactical way of thinking or football way of thinking. But, some things that is happening in this game is in fact bad.
Quality and tactics should influence match results mainly, followed by form and other random effects (which should be minor to very minor). If other things are involved, such as those suspected, I think that this is very inappropriate. The worst are those suspected 'fixed' matches. This is bad, very bad, and not acceptable.
Take into consideration that I have been suspecting some things way back in 2015, some of which were among the reasons why I quit this game. I came back, and I found explanations for some of them. In some cases, there were manager errors or tactical errors (user is at fault). But, there are some things that appear to repeat (and you also confirmed that you experienced similar situations) where what happen does not make any football sense other than being 'fixed' matches or set up. In some cases, you can say that you can almost clearly see what the game engine is trying to do, and also how it is trying to fool the user.
It feels as if we're FBI agents.
Anyway, my CL draw DOES feel fishy — 3 teams below 60% and one team above 90% in each of the group. I even saw a 2%, and they QUALIFIED FOR THE KNOCKOUTS! Anyway, only the group winners have survived for the quarter finals.
And yes — there's been a surge in injuries. A new signing injured for 7 days (healed), a second string MC for 5(naturally recovered), and my regular starting fullbacks for 4 days each (1 was healed, other naturally). But what I do (for <5 days injury on important players) is I don't heal them the day they're injured — I do it the next day, saves on reds.
They are fishy. I suspect that it is the League and CL batches and draws that gives an indication of how your team will perform in relation to the quality that you have. If you have been put in a batch consisting of low quality teams, the percentage efficiency of your team has already been reduced (hidden, but this may not activate or be apparent immediately). It could be to compensate for the big difference. You must be careful when facing those significantly weaker teams. While you may get a lot of large wins, especially at the start, you might struggle against a weaker team in the later stages despite having much higher visual quality displayed for your team. And if you have not used the best tactics, you will be knocked-out. Sometimes, even with the best tactics, you may get knocked-out. This is where I suspect match fixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
Take into consideration that the above have not been proved 100%, but many indications are there. Sometimes, just by looking at the batch you have been put in, you can already say how efficient your team will be in terms of quality throughout the season. What is displayed, that is what you see is not always what actually there is. A 5 star team is actually a 3 star team if it is set to 60% efficiency. This is a very significant effect.
By the way talisman, there are indications that 4-3N-2W-1 has been underpowered this season. I have tested it once only though, but so far, it seems to be weaker than expected. You may concede more goals than expected when using this formation. 4-2-2-2 Hexagon seems to be the reverse this season, that is overpowered and conceding less goals.
Those effects goes against the logic of football tactics though. Normally, 4-3N-2W-1 should be stronger defensively and also appear to dominate matches more as compared to 4-2-2-2 Hexagon. There is even a team using 4-2-2-2 Hexagon that has not lost in it's league (14W, 0D, 0L, 65GF, 7GA); those statistics are anomalous for a team using such a formation.
So, this adds to the fishy things going on in this game this season.
Who can add me on the friend's lists and send me some packs for the next few days? My team is currently in poor condition and I have no more money in the credit card account to buy tokens to get packs. One serious user will be enough. My account is on server 34.
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1.Hard training yes, all were in deep red very disturbing, not positive at all. :rolleyes:
2. yeah because the defense was horrific :rolleyes:
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I love a good troll result. Just lost a game with my second team. 2-0. Overall possession 60% for me. Equal shots and shots on target, equal saves but I had 9 corners and more free kicks. My whole team scored an average of 7,4! That is normally very high. Especially if the advisary is scoring a 7,0 on average. I still have a comfortable lead but it is declining with only 5 points ahead now. The tension is building.
I have the impression that the game engine deliberately causes this. One reason is likely to make you think your squad is still not good enough, and also to make other possible title challengers think that they still have a chance and hence convince them to invest more in their teams. This is a business ploy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killroy
It's funny, then, that this always happens to you, and not other teams. The leader in Palace Casuals' League is ten points ahead and the gap grows every day. I don't see them having a bad result just to make the rest of us think we have a chance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I never said what you just said: 'that this always happens to you'. You have misunderstood me. This has not happened to me in this season so far nor last season, but I have observed such things in the past where a leading team (and not my team) suddenly starts to suffer losses to lower quality teams in the league. The explanations I gave are possibilities (not confirmed). This can also be said to be based on form. By the way, I have clearly said: 'I have the the impression that'. Why do people have impressions of something? There must be some indications.Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
Assuming that the tactics he used were ok and his team had a superior quality, what will be your explanation to this? 'Troll' ? Why 'trolls' occur? This is the important question.
P.S: Based on some users reaction, I have the impression that they are thinking negatively on me or on what I posted. Let me be clear: I have no bad intentions against any of you. So, you are misunderstanding me. I just say things on this game based on what I have observed in the past. What you have observed or experienced does not necessarily mean that another user will observe or experience the same. You must respect that. There is no need to behave negatively.
So you want server friends... Anyway how do we check our server?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
No need too, but some users prefer server friends as they want you to support their team. I don't support any team, and don't expect anyone to come and support mine. Nik already added me. Thanks to him by the way. I really need packs at the moment. You can add me if you want to. Just send your profile link via P.M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
To check your server, see this: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...erver-you.html .
Day 17 - Palace teams Champions League report.
Palace Casuals bowed out of their Level 31 Champions League with an away 0-3 defeat in the 2nd Leg, going out 2-3 on aggregate to a Level 31 team with comparable Starting XI Quality. Playing defensive/counter 4-5-1V against 4-1-3N-2 (the Palace teams' bogie formation), the home side scored with monotonous regularity, and suffered a double yellow dismissal in the last 5 minutes, but the Casuals team was strangely subdued, putting up little fight and meekly accepting their fate.
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Palace Terriers had the same formation puzzle in their home 2nd Leg 'Top-16' Round match, and followed the senior team's example in using 4-5-1V instead of the recognised counter of 4-3N-2W(AM)-1. The two goals they forced in at the end of the 1st Leg proved critical, as after going 2 goals up through Niklas Schlaudraff and Esneider Gil, the visitors pulled a goal back and threatened a second, until Roberto Pigatto Baratto sent a goalkeeper clearance back past the unfortunate custodian to give Terriers a 3-1 win. With the aggregate score at 5-5, away goals came into play and Terriers progress to the Quarter-Finals.
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You misunderstand me - I was trying to distingush between the managers suffering the issue (Killroy, Tactician, me, etc) and 'them' (the other teams that don't seem to be affected). Perhaps I should have said 'us'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
No matter what we do, after a certain period of success, there is always two or three matches which could be termed as having 'dodgy' results, after which the status quo is restored. By then it's too late as the teams which seem to be immune to the 'bug' are at the top and running away.
If they do have a bad result, and the next match for 'us' is a slam dunk (bottom of the table team, much poorer in quality), then the thought is 'got a chance here', and then the 'Troll' card is played - GK plays a blinder, defence blocks everything, prolific scoring players miss everything in sight and they score from their only shot on target (usually around the 75th minute)...
@Tactician
in my thread Mythbusters
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...eleven-11.html
in post #102 I 'm writing about some cases (maybe like yours) when the roll dice of the game decides not only for one game but for the pack of two games in a K.O. round of the Cup or the CH.L.
It seems that maybe there is some truth there - but it's rare and I can't figure out how the criterion can be.
This, for example, I can tell you that I have observed this. So, it is a possibility. There are a lot of possible explanations for things happening in this game, but many of them are still not confirmed to a certain extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
Cup oppo have changed Ko to 3 am :confused:
I can confirm that this sort of situation has happen to me twice though, and they are very similar, and both were for the Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
The first was back in 2015 where I won the away 2-1 and lost the home game on penalties after a loss of 1-2 at home. I could see how the game was setting things up during the home match so that the other team will be able to go through.The decisive goal for my team simply did not want to come, even in extra time. Everything was going in vain, even a penalty; a player who never missed a penalty since he joined my team, missed one in the match.
The second is as posted in the previous post in this thread. I dominated this team completely, both home and away, but could not go through to the next round. When I got the 1-1 draw away, I already felt something was wrong. But, still it can be said to be a decent result. But when the home match was played, I could see how the game was making things happen so that my team would be knocked out. Again, the decisive goals did not want to come; all efforts were going in vain. But, the opponent appeared to have scored way too easily.
I have not watched the matches for talisman and motrin cases, but it is likely that they experienced a similar sort of thing. There are similarities. From the match statistics, motrin's team also appeared to have dominated the game, but still his team lost 2-0 despite winning the away match 0-1, and hence was knocked-out of the competition.
So far, as I see it, there is virtually nothing a manager can do to change the outcome for those cases, especially the second case. I pushed my players to the max, so much that some had only 60% condition after the match. May be with time, with a lot of thinking, a possible logic explanation in terms of tactics or football may be found as there is still a small possibility of the opponent having gone through due to tactics, but as it is now, some of those matches seem to be fixed.
Ah, ok. You meant this always seem to happen to us, and not the other teams, especially those 'auto-mode' teams. This is something that I find strange also; why does it seem to affect only serious managers?Quote:
Originally Posted by talisman
Two goals from right back.. good work!
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Nice goal again a penalty :rolleyes:
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Let me join the bandwagon — it's about the Cup this season. Both teams had no changes over two legs, we had a 2% advantage, then why it was 0-0 away and 3-3 at home? Even more surprising was the equaliser came just 5 minutes before buzzer and only 3 minutes after our goal.
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I haven't been posting lately mainly due to boredom. I finally lost a game. I haven't lost a single match in about 3 seasons
The fact I lost to 2 counter attacks in the whole match yet I got denied so many times amazes me. It has luck written all over it.
