Season 78 - Are you ready?

[talisman]

From what I saw today, I think that there is something fishy going on with this game. It appears that for some games or knock-out stages the engine has already decided who is going to win or who is going to go through this round.

So, briefly, I can say that some things in this game are made to happen, that is they do not depend much on you or on how you manage your team.

Agreed wholeheartedly - how else can you explain a team that won 4-0 in the home leg conceding 3 goals in the last 17 minutes of the 2nd Leg, having resisted all efforts up to then - so the opponent can win after extra time and penalties of course...

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post400642

[Tactician]

Agreed wholeheartedly - how else can you explain a team that won 4-0 in the home leg conceding 3 goals in the last 17 minutes of the 2nd Leg, having resisted all efforts up to then - so the opponent can win after extra time and penalties of course...

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post400642

Ah... you noticed that too. Same thing happen to me last year (2015). I won the away leg 2-1, but the game appeared to setting things up in the home game. It went to extra time and I lost on penalties. During that match, that is before going to penalty shoot-outs, my best player, a player who never missed a penalty, missed one. Everything was happening but the decisive goal to get my team qualified simply 'did not want to come'. And you know what, at that time, I was using 4-5-1(V); don't come and tell me it easy to score 2 goals past a superior team playing a defensive 4-5-1(V) in his stadium.

In some cases, the opposing team might even get one or a few red cards, but still you won't get to win this match or get a good enough result to go to the next stage. It is as if the game is trying to fool you.

There is something else I have observed. In some cases, where you have won the first leg by large margins or whatappeared to be a great result, in the second leg it is as if something has changed significantly; the other team start scoring for fun against you despite being inferior, playing away and kept the same formations and tactics as in the previous leg, while your players does not seem to want to play or they are playing but all efforts go in vain.

[talisman]

There is something else I have observed. In some cases, where you have won the first leg by large margins or whatappeared to be a great result, in the second leg it is as if something has changed significantly; the other team start scoring for fun against you despite being inferior, playing away and kept the same formations and tactics as in the previous leg, while your players does not seem to want to play or they are playing but all efforts go in vain.

That's what I call the '2nd Leg kick in the teeth'. The squad grafts away and gets a 1-0 win in the away 1st Leg, then apparently forgets how to play in the home 2nd Leg and the opposition team deals a 0-2 defeat...

Usually the opposing team is a tad below in Quality but plays an adventurous formation that gets results, and, with home possession advantage, your team should win handily if you get the (counter-)formation and tactics correct. On match day, the opposition manager doesn't turn up and you are there with a full house and a friend and thus have full 15% possession bonus...

Are you coming around to the idea that there could be 'Troll' results in this game, and these sorts of matches we are discussing is where they start?

[Tactician]

That's what I call the '2nd Leg kick in the teeth'. The squad grafts away and gets a 1-0 win in the away 1st Leg, then apparently forgets how to play in the home 2nd Leg and the opposition team deals a 0-2 defeat...

Usually the opposing team is a tad below in Quality but plays an adventurous formation that gets results, and, with home possession advantage, your team should win handily if you get the (counter-)formation and tactics correct. On match day, the opposition manager doesn't turn up and you are there with a full house and a friend and thus have full 15% possession bonus...

Are you coming around to the idea that there could be 'Troll' results in this game, and these sorts of matches we are discussing is where they start?

I have no fans (no one is in the friend's list beside the default Mourinho team), and yet I dominate possession even in away matches. See the pictures posted earlier (1-1 draw). I dominate most of my opponents, not only in terms of possession, but in everything or almost everything in the match, and mostly obtain the required result, though at times the score can be narrow, most probably due to random effects. My games are based only on tactics and quality. It is those what appeared to be 'fixed' matches and those excessive injuries that is my concern. And, it is even more a problem when it occurs in important matches.

I know, but there are many things reported as 'troll' here that are not as such.Why? Because it can seen what tactical error(s) the user made or how the other team managed to win, based on the posted images, feedback and so on. Many users won't see this this, and even I was not seeing many of them in the early days, that is when I started to play this game, and me too I was complaining about this and that. This is understandable. Also, not everyone has tactical way of thinking or football way of thinking. But, some things that is happening in this game is in fact bad.

Quality and tactics should influence match results mainly, followed by form and other random effects (which should be minor to very minor). If other things are involved, such as those suspected, I think that this is very inappropriate. The worst are those suspected 'fixed' matches. This is bad, very bad, and not acceptable.

Take into consideration that I have been suspecting some things way back in 2015, some of which were among the reasons why I quit this game. I came back, and I found explanations for some of them. In some cases, there were manager errors or tactical errors (user is at fault). But, there are some things that appear to repeat (and you also confirmed that you experienced similar situations) where what happen does not make any football sense other than being 'fixed' matches or set up. In some cases, you can say that you can almost clearly see what the game engine is trying to do, and also how it is trying to fool the user.