Need a counter from experience

Hi,

So ,i'm playing semi final cup and champions league the problem is both teams are stronger than me (which is not a big deal since even in 1/4 the teams where stronger than me and i won against them ) the only thing different this is that these two team are using a counter to my formation .

My formation is 4.2.3.1 and their is 4.5.1 FLAT

to be honest my formation is no good against 4.5.1 i already played against someone with that formation in my league and i did 1-1 first match then lost 5-2 second match our team quality were almost the same .

Now let's back to cup and CL , how to beat these two monsters

My cl semi final opponent
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Cup semi final opponent (now i played already the first match of cup semi final and it went 1-1 i know if i don't change the formation i'll probably lose in the second match )

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And this is my team , don't be fooled by the world class players, they are not scouts i bought them normally and trained them hard it's has been a half season of matches and hard training before they become world class
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I would probably go for a 3-5-2 flat or 3-5-2 V-style against a 4-5-1. Using defensive, counter-attacks, hard tackling, zonal defending if opponent is stronger. Set bonus to defensive to start with then depending on how it's going stick with that or go to attacking bonus. Hope that helps. Worth trying out in a friendly against a similar strength friend maybe?


KFC Loella.
Level 29
15 League Titles,
3 Champions League,
1 Cup.

i remember trying 3-5-2 flat vs 4-5-1 before last year or something it didn't work maybe i didn't do the right tactics , and this year i made it this far in cl and cup by playing defense even if my tactic 4-2-3-1 is attacking one, i saw someone playing 3-1-3-1-2 against 4-5-1 and beat him good like 3-0 and 7-1 , what do you think about that formation ?

You have to see which are your best essencial players and what tactics you can use with your squad. Out of the blue without knowing your team I would say you need at least 3in the middle (MC-MC-MC) or MR-MC-ML or put down arrows in your AM's. For one ST you should only need 3 D's but I personally prefer the classic 4defensive line. We can always see the MR and ML very active in this kind of squads.

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Originally Posted by tgog79

You have to see which are your best essencial players and what tactics you can use with your squad. Out of the blue without knowing your team I would say you need at least 3in the middle (MC-MC-MC) or MR-MC-ML or put down arrows in your AM's. For one ST you should only need 3 D's but I personally prefer the classic 4defensive line. We can always see the MR and ML very active in this kind of squads.

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As i'm looking at it from my side i may have a chance at cup but look at that team in CL i mean it's like he is from another planet , but if you see his stats in cl he only win like 2-1 or 1-0 which means he is playing hard defending ,coz if i have a team that strong i will make attack tactics and win like 5-0 every match

This post is from the Greek forum so it's in Greeks :p but you can see the pictures
http://forum.topeleven.com/%CE%A3%CF...2-4-5-1-a.html
I would go with the formation of #5 & #6. (my teams).
Defense/counter/flanks/long pass blue arrows in your defenders

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

This post is from the Greek forum so it's in Greeks :p but you can see the pictures
http://forum.topeleven.com/%CE%A3%CF...2-4-5-1-a.html
I would go with the formation of #5 & #6. (my teams).
Defense/counter/flanks/long pass blue arrows in your defenders

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The formation looks good as a counter but his team is way stronger than the other one(in your link) ,so in my case it may work but 50/50 , again did you see that monster i'm playing against in cl xD

yes I know but with this solid defense and quality you can't do much.
Just set some kind of counter formation and hope that you 'll have a good day and oppo a bad one.
The only weakness I can see is if set counter attack with long pass as he hasn't DMs.

Shouldn`t worry about it. From my experience if T11 want you to win regardless of your quality, you will win

Guys i'm really confused here , i saw people in my league with strong teams not world class beating the 4 5 1 flat formation with score 4-1 AND 4-3 by playing 4 3 3 .

i played today against the the strong team in cl semi final (look at post photo) and i lost 1-0 in his stadium( i played 3 1 3 1 2 a plan a saw it here in forum, i think i could lose more if i used my standard plan against him which is 4 2 2 1 1 ) which is nice it means i still have a chance in the second match ,i'm not sure yet where to use 3 5 2 or 4 3 3 (since it's kinda effective somehow?) what do you think guys ?

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

Guys i'm really confused here , i saw people in my league with strong teams not world class beating the 4 5 1 flat formation with score 4-1 AND 4-3 by playing 4 3 3 .

i played today against the the strong team in cl semi final (look at post photo) and i lost 1-0 in his stadium( i played 3 1 3 1 2 a plan a saw it here in forum, i think i could lose more if i used my standard plan against him which is 4 2 2 1 1 ) which is nice it means i still have a chance in the second match ,i'm not sure yet where to use 3 5 2 or 4 3 3 (since it's kinda effective somehow?) what do you think guys ?

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i think you should watch the statistics of them by playing 4 3 3 maybe it was just luck,any way if i was you i play what nikologiorgos said,the same orders but diffrent tactic i will play 4-4-1-1

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Originally Posted by Nick Lizas

i think you should watch the statistics of them by playing 4 3 3 maybe it was just luck,any way if i was you i play what nikologiorgos said,the same orders but diffrent tactic i will play 4-4-1-1

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4 4 1 1 or 3 5 2 flat which one you think it's better ?

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Originally Posted by dave1311

I would probably go for a 3-5-2 flat or 3-5-2 V-style against a 4-5-1. Using defensive, counter-attacks, hard tackling, zonal defending if opponent is stronger. Set bonus to defensive to start with then depending on how it's going stick with that or go to attacking bonus. Hope that helps. Worth trying out in a friendly against a similar strength friend maybe?


KFC Loella.
Level 29
15 League Titles,
3 Champions League,
1 Cup.

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about the 3 5 2 the defender are they dc dc dc or dr dc dl ?

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

about the 3 5 2 the defender are they dc dc dc or dr dc dl ?

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Usually DC DC DC.