Uneven playing field

Okay, so I've been playing this game for about 3 years now. And anyone who's played this game for that long would be classed as a loyal player (or manager if you will). And usually games try reward your loyalty. But the guys behind Top Eleven take a different approach and try implement new ideas that end up giving an unfair advantage.

Even with buying tokens, different regions have different prices. You can go on holiday to one location and whilst playing Top Eleven you'll find that the place you are visiting sells tokens cheaper compared to where you’re from. Which already gives an unfair advantage as those who live in said countries will just buy a bunch of tokens and try build an over powered (OP) team, though to no fault of their own, they are just taking advantage to try and win. I'd personally say the fault lies with the guys behind Top Eleven who set the prices. Now you may say it's the economy and some places are generally better off than others. However when you have a load of managers from a set location having 8 and 9* TEAMS (not players, but teams), not really sure how less well-off these places are.

However that isn't the main issue here, the main problem I have are the teams being drawn in the same Champions League group and the same Cup tournament as me. I'm being forced to compete with teams who are three levels above and have around 9* teams. And this isn't just one or two 9* teams, there are quite a lot of them. How on Earth are we expected to compete with these teams?!

I'm not asking for things to go in my favour I’m only asking for a level playing field were we can compete with managers who are of similar level. It's not like I have an OP team myself or a rich history, so to see these problems not being addressed after this game has been out for a while makes me wonder what problems of ours are they trying to fix?!

The guys behind Top Eleven show no sign of making things fair and looking after their loyal players. There is only so much you can do when up against these team and yes maybe you manage to pull off an upset and beat one of teams, but right after doing that is another 9* team is waiting for you. How are we supposed to win the Champions League or Cup against these teams?

They can simply buy a 5* player from their auction and when they compete against us those 5* players would be 8* for us managers who are 3 levels below. And even with an entire team of scouts (7* players) it still won't be enough to close the gap in quality difference. And this doesn't take into account if they were to have a 7* scout themselves.

And this hasn't been happening for one or two seasons, it's been happening for pretty much every season. Countless times I find myself up against these teams and these opponents in the Cup and Champions league must be licking their lips every time. Take a look at one of my cup opponent and the teams in my GROUP of the Champions league.

I think I speak for a lot of managers when I say with all of these problems not being addressed we are losing our desire to continue playing this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY

Like other gamers, it's because i'm competitive and want to win!

I mean does loyalty pay you the developers to make and update an app? Its free dude. The guys that pay are basically the owners of the company.

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some will say..... This game is not STAR matter.... ( o...really? tell me, you use 3 star to win all games...go ahead and prove it )

and LeManiaque, it is only a game, why you heff to be mad?? ---> then why don't you tell those complain do not have any video to watch to stop complaining and telling T11 to set down the limit ???

as i said before, T11 set down the video limit right away because they want "fair" as some complain,
but no matter so many complain the CUP draw is not "fair" for so long , they do NOTHING!!

I agree with everything the OP has said.

This is currently one of the fundamental flaws with the game at the moment, the issue with the video limit would be pointless once you realise THESE are the types of opponent you will be facing in the competition anyway, it just renders everything NULL.

All we ask for is an even playing field with similar level managers with similar team quality which is what should happen in the Champions League! I get sometimes with Cup you get OP teams because it was built like that, but being put against teams 3 levels above with full 9* makes us question why even bother or why are we being put in a competition like this? Its not rocket science; the game has been out for a very long time in development terms so why is this still not addressed?

Even if we do happen to pull off a miracle and emerge victorious we will have another 9* team waiting for us in the next game. That means we will be facing 9* opponents pretty much once per day in adjacent to a difficult league which also has tankers.

I'd love to know what the buy rate is over in other countries. Getting tokens off the Google Play site is the worst. 30-some tokens for $5. I buy straight off the Too Eleven site: 47 tokens for $5

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Originally Posted by John Bednar

I'd love to know what the buy rate is over in other countries. Getting tokens off the Google Play site is the worst. 30-some tokens for $5. I buy straight off the Too Eleven site: 47 tokens for $5

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For $5.58 or €4.99 i can get 65 tokens
The highest offer is €99,99 for 1950 tokens a good one though is €19,99 for 325 tokens

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Originally Posted by John Bednar

I'd love to know what the buy rate is over in other countries. Getting tokens off the Google Play site is the worst. 30-some tokens for $5. I buy straight off the Too Eleven site: 47 tokens for $5

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because from google play... you need to pay fee.... so.... that is last token you will get~

I use Google Play on occasion, because I am involved in the Google surveys. It's not the greatest way to get money, but it does either cut down/or pay for some tokens. Every little bit helps!

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This is currently one of the fundamental flaws with the game at the moment, the issue with the video limit would be pointless once you realise THESE are the types of opponent you will be facing in the competition anyway, it just renders everything NULL.
All we ask for is an even playing field with similar level managers with similar team quality which is what should happen in the Champions League! I get sometimes with Cup you get OP teams because it was built like that, but being put against teams 3 levels above with full 9* makes us question why even bother or why are we being put in a competition like this? Its not rocket science; the game has been out for a very long time in development terms so why is this still not addressed?

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fundamental flaws

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REPEATED
Yes, the development of the game stops at lv35-40
Then the choices you have is to do a take over (not any more) or doing some tricks as tanking so to have very strong team or to be patience for some seasons so level up in the higher levels and then play with teams from lower levels - being in the top of the food-chain :p
Buying of farming packs really has no meaning here as you must get 80-90 packs to make a player that a manager from a level above, buying with 1 token.

@Alfyan from Midgar sector 7, I knew a girl from there, named Aeris .
You came back after a very long time.

@Nik ~ Haha, you got my reference xD

Yeah I left the forums for a while, but I did lurk a couple of times since. I have kept playing though, threatening to quit a few times (Which is usual coming from me) although seeing situation like this brought me back here again :D

Surprised you remembered me though, from the looks of it you and your team have come very far since we last met!

A question, is those monster teams a result of players dumping players late in the season before the cup draw in question? If this is the case it's something TE can fix. By like seeding teams based on the avg the previous season, or something like that.

like i mention before 3 league in every level.
Ameture Semi-Pro and Pro like a mode you choose where you wanna play and what to expect.
etc. if you choose an Ameture league knowing you have a high quality team in your level, well chances of you winnig the league is high yes! you can stay there enjoying trophy after trophy but with no real challenge.(Amature)
if you are a competitive manager try you hand on semi pro or pro where you get to meet team your standard or higher in your league thats the challenge. if you win it you know where you stand amoung managers in your league.(as there is no ranking in te)
theres always a different in Amature and pro a different between a competitive manager and less ambitious manager.(the one the dump player and change in new season) although i can understand it the easy way out to win cup.
the 3 mode i mention applied to league & cl. so manager wont feel unfair in draw as they are the one that choose where they want their team to play.
for cup competition not to sure.....

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Originally Posted by Alfyan

@Nik ~ Haha, you got my reference xD
Yeah I left the forums for a while, but I did lurk a couple of times since. I have kept playing though, threatening to quit a few times (Which is usual coming from me) although seeing situation like this brought me back here again :D
Surprised you remembered me though, from the looks of it you and your team have come very far since we last met!

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of course I got it.
Even if love playing TE, that game FF VII will be always no1 in my heart.

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Originally Posted by Al Svanberg

A question, is those monster teams a result of players dumping players late in the season before the cup draw in question? If this is the case it's something TE can fix. By like seeding teams based on the avg the previous season, or something like that.

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no, that's different.
We 're talking about the teams playing in the top of the server.
All the players of the game are separated in different servers.
There are more than 200 servers, I don't know exactly the number.
Every server has few teams who are above lv40.
There are servers who have teams and can "build" a league of level 52-53 but most lack of many teams.
The Cup and the CH.L. draw is starting from the top of the server (the higher q/level teams) and going down , making competitions of 132 teams.
If there aren't enough teams in a (poor) server, a Cup or a CH.L. can have
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10 teams lv 48
30 teams lv 47
35 teams lv 46
40 teams lv 45
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+ 17 teams from lv 44 =132 teams

So, those teams from lv 44 can see some other teams with 5*-6* as 9*-10* players.
one solution is to re-organize the servers, gather many teams from levels above 46 in specific servers so the competitions to have similar levels (this happened before about 1,5-2 years I think).
or
make imaginary 4*-5* (bot teams) teams as in the first levels

or level up some teams so to have the chance to buy higher q players as their opponents.

Of course this needs some extra job :rolleyes:

* to make things more difficult,
- those teams from the higher lv maybe win the title or promote to CH.L. but if there aren't enough teams to create a higher lv league, the play again in the same lv league and keep the stars of their players.
- Usually those active managers spend or farm a lot and of course have a lot of experience
- There aren't new players to buy as there aren't teams from higher levels to sell their players
- There aren't game created players (nordgen)
:p

If there are that many servers then surely like you said they could try introduce some of the higher level teams into the server. Otherwise introducing some 5-6* bot teams may be worth a shot. But most ideas though seem to consist of there needing to be an influx of teams.

One other idea would be to introduce a level cap and follow real life football league system.
So for example, let's say level 46 is the limit, teams in that level can not be promoted any further but the bottom 3 teams can be relegated (so relegation would have to implemented throughout). They could also impose financial and player implications of being relegated like players do not gain a star by being relegated (to deter those that may think they can gain a star). Player quality could potentially stay the same at the level cap and they could slow down or potentially stop player quality growth after a set limit (so they don't grow to be too OP for the newly promoted teams). Nordgens would have to be generated to provide replacements for player transfer.

This idea would be more difficult to implement and I'm sure there are issues to iron out but overall could be an interesting idea.

HairDryer, the problem with this is that it's still likely to get teams with high quality in the amateur league. Which would result in the same problem for the teams with lesser quality.

Both ideas suggested were good, even with a few minutes thinking some ideas came up. Basically reading from Niks post the highest level teams are stuck in a loop of success due to being too OP because there is a lack of opposition for them so they win their title and other domestic competitions very easily. They will then get even more powerful next season yet again because they are either stuck in the same league but will have access to their level market of players making them again even more powerful. It bores and frustrates us teams who are a level below having to face these sort of team because of a glass ceiling placed on them due to the lack of people. It also may bore the top managers because they are winning with no effort being made which is not their fault since Nordeus broken system put everyone in this position.

Basically we SHOULD NOT be suffering because of the lack of ideas or even effort by Nordeus to even sort this problem. The suggestions of combining those top level teams into one server is a good idea. The question is whether Nordeus would actually go and sort this issue out because it will cost them time and money to do so is probably another topic to discuss.

One thing we probably can do at the moment is to manage a different team by dropping down some levels. But like many managers out there that would mean ditching the team we built with our very hands, laying our foundations with the team and the history and achievements that we had with them will be gone.

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Originally Posted by Alfyan

Both ideas suggested were good, even with a few minutes thinking some ideas came up. Basically reading from Niks post the highest level teams are stuck in a loop of success due to being too OP because there is a lack of opposition for them so they win their title and other domestic competitions very easily. They will then get even more powerful next season yet again because they are either stuck in the same league but will have access to their level market of players making them again even more powerful. It bores and frustrates us teams who are a level below having to face these sort of team because of a glass ceiling placed on them due to the lack of people. It also may bore the top managers because they are winning with no effort being made which is not their fault since Nordeus broken system put everyone in this position.

Basically we SHOULD NOT be suffering because of the lack of ideas or even effort by Nordeus to even sort this problem. The suggestions of combining those top level teams into one server is a good idea. The question is whether Nordeus would actually go and sort this issue out because it will cost them time and money to do so is probably another topic to discuss.

One thing we probably can do at the moment is to manage a different team by dropping down some levels. But like many managers out there that would mean ditching the team we built with our very hands, laying our foundations with the team and the history and achievements that we had with them will be gone.

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why don't just totally randomly draw from +/- 1 LV in the grouping LV (like LV 1-3, L 4-6, L 7-9)? so that the gap in between is only max at 2 LV... (and that will be already a large gap in between and even in the highest LV, you are not sure win as in the same LV some may strong than you...) .... now is 4-5 LV.... how many Q in different ?? i can tell... i had one time in CUP...even if my team is 9 star... max out in my LV.... my opposite team's Q was still higher than me.... tell me how to play??

now is a really unfair draw~~ but T11 is not care, like i say, no matter how long and how many complain this is UNFAIR, they do nothing!!
but look at the free video thing, they said many complain, so that they want to MAKE IT FAIR, so they limited the video right away!!!

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Originally Posted by General_Ash

HairDryer, the problem with this is that it's still likely to get teams with high quality in the amateur league. Which would result in the same problem for the teams with lesser quality.

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exactly i agree with you. its the same now. bt higher quality would want a play in higher league premier (pro league) then lower division. win bonus different depending on league they choose or token like asst fa. higher league higher pay out.
higher quality team with competetive manager would wanna upgrade themselve to higher league rather winning amature season after season.
lvl 1-3 same set up start from lvl 4 you choose you league.
as i understand we are playing the same thing from lvl 1 to 50 different only in level or oppo, you promote or you dont
my suggestion is to make it more intresting and more competetive.
dont know if it work just a suggestion.✌

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

There are servers who have teams and can "build" a league of level 52-53 but most lack of many teams.
The Cup and the CH.L. draw is starting from the top of the server (the higher q/level teams) and going down , making competitions of 132 teams.
If there aren't enough teams in a (poor) server, a Cup or a CH.L. can have
(example)
10 teams lv 48
30 teams lv 47
35 teams lv 46
40 teams lv 45
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=115
+ 17 teams from lv 44 +132 teams

So, those teams from lv 44 can see some other teams with 5*-6* as 9*-10* players.
one solution is to re-organize the servers, gather many teams from levels above 46 in specific servers so the competitions to have similar levels (this happened before about 1,5-2 years I think).

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With the introduction af associations, where the team level doesnt matter and the quality is based on relative for the team on their own level, the same method could be used in CHL (and CUP).

This would totally eliminate the problem with getting fair CHL groups in the high levels. It could also eliminate the issue with facing teams 3 levels above in CUP, if when playing these teams, if it was their relative strength on their level.

To illustrate:
4 teams in a CHL group, all are 5* teams (99%) on their own level. Teams are from levels 44-47 (one from each level).

In the current setup, the level 44 team would see opponents with quality of 119%, 139% and 159% (6*, 7* and 8*) because the teams are from a higher level.
When using the same method as in associations, where the team level doesnt have an effect, all teams would see each other as 5* teams (99%).

When it is difficult too get enough teams to make a full fair CHL (all from same level), then using the relative quality for the teams level, it would level the playing field again.

I hope the developers will use this in the future, in both CHL and CUP - and maybe league - to make the playing field even, and removing the advantage a higher level team have against a lower.

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With the introduction af associations, where the team level doesnt matter and the quality is based on relative for the team on their own level, the same method could be used in CHL (and CUP).

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a similar proposition was written about the cup.
But there is a major problem.
Those features (stars independent from the levels) are from new version.
The old version isn't compatible with that (so we can't play asc. games with the old game).
So this can be only if they stop the old version.
But with this, many players would stop playing the game.
Some of them because they don't like the old version and the others because they don't have the hardware to play with the new one.
It's a RAM eater, with connection problems so people who don't have systems with at least 4 GB RAM and excellent internet connection cannot follow the game.
With Unity , I don't believe things can improve a lot in the future.
So, would they risk to loose 1/3 , 1/4 of all the players of the game at once ?
I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

a similar proposition was written about the cup.
But there is a major problem.
Those features (stars independent from the levels) are from new version.
The old version isn't compatible with that (so we can't play asc. games with the old game).
So this can be only if they stop the old version.
But with this, many players would stop playing the game.
Some of them because they don't like the old version and the others because they don't have the hardware to play with the new one.
It's a RAM eater, with connection problems so people who don't have systems with at least 4 GB RAM and excellent internet connection cannot follow the game.
With Unity , I don't believe things can improve a lot in the future.
So, would they risk to loose 1/3 , 1/4 of all the players of the game at once ?
I don't think so.

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Well, ironically those exact people will inevitably come across the situation stated in the OP and quit because of that regardless lol; its just delaying the inevitable. Who would want to play a game if they can't give you a level playing field? You can't say you are competing fairly, its like everyone in your competition is allowed to dope to get an advantage while you are permanently handicapped for seasons on end.

Off-topic.. I still use the old-version because the new one is not compatible with my browser and I tried all the troubleshoot that was suggested already but to no avail. Also I found that I can actually play the players loaned to me through associations on the old version browser ;)

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

a similar proposition was written about the cup.
But there is a major problem.
Those features (stars independent from the levels) are from new version.
The old version isn't compatible with that (so we can't play asc. games with the old game).
So this can be only if they stop the old version.
But with this, many players would stop playing the game.
Some of them because they don't like the old version and the others because they don't have the hardware to play with the new one.
It's a RAM eater, with connection problems so people who don't have systems with at least 4 GB RAM and excellent internet connection cannot follow the game.
With Unity , I don't believe things can improve a lot in the future.
So, would they risk to loose 1/3 , 1/4 of all the players of the game at once ?
I don't think so.

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but then they should not use the term "fair" for limiting the video free pack!!! if they are not fixing the "unfair" CUP!!
just tell us " we want $$, that why we limited the video free pack" --> this i still can accept ~
but now, they are saying "it is because we make it fair" ---> this is a LIE when this action compare to the unfair CUP they know for a long time, we complain for a lot for long time too!!!

and don't you notice??? if we are talking about the unfair CUP, moi (or other has power) never (or 95% won't) come in to reply!!!
but if now you are complain about the limiting the video free pack, they come in and say "make it fair" and even close the topic (they close the last topic that has lots of discussion about the video limit) .... this is like, what the hack?

This is about the honest !!

it will never, ever, be fair in this game. there will always be some sort of unevenness in the game. the cup in the last several seasons, has been odd...ok, i get that you are put into the cup draw with teams around your squad %...and im good with that. now, it seems like im being pitted against 8* teams right off the bat. maybe they went and spent money to upgrade their team? or did they do some readjusting to the cup draw?

@Ahlony Wong

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but then they should not use the term "fair" for limiting the video free pack!!! if they are not fixing the "unfair" CUP!!

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farming packs it's a different case (and rather out of topic). It doesn't help the issue of this thread.
A player (from a higher lv) who has that advantage is unbeaten and it's useless for a player from a lower level.

I think that Cup is in their mind but it's many things to do and it's not so easy to fix them all together.


@John Bednar

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it will never, ever, be fair in this game. there will always be some sort of unevenness in the game

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real football isn't fair, life isn't fair but we demand from TE to be fair - lol


@Alfyan

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Well, ironically those exact people will inevitably come across the situation stated in the OP and quit because of that regardless lol; its just delaying the inevitable.

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well, some things it's just a matter of numbers.
I don't know how many managers playing in higher levels and how many of them are token spenders (good customers :rolleyes: ).
Nord guys, count the numbers, the profit and the loss some changes (or not) can cause.
Suppose higher level players don't have much consuming power.

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@Ahlony Wong

farming packs it's a different case (and rather out of topic). It doesn't help the issue of this thread.
A player (from a higher lv) who has that advantage is unbeaten and it's useless for a player from a lower level.

I think that Cup is in their mind but it's many things to do and it's not so easy to fix them all together.


@John Bednar

real football isn't fair, life isn't fair but we demand from TE to be fair - lol


@Alfyan

well, some things it's just a matter of numbers.
I don't know how many managers playing in higher levels and how many of them are token spenders (good customers :rolleyes: ).
Nord guys, count the numbers, the profit and the loss some changes (or not) can cause.
Suppose higher level players don't have much consuming power.

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don't you understand the point??

they said many complain for the video, that's why they lower the limit and make it "fair"

but at the same time, we have many also complaining the UNFAIR cup draw, but they don't even do anything!!!

this argument can only be solve if staff from nordeus could explain difficulty and problem they facing. mod is just doing their best.

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this argument can only be solve if staff from nordeus could explain difficulty and problem they facing. mod is just doing their best.

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Agreed. We need someone from Nordeus to explain all of this. There are quite a few issues players have and although we can't expect all of them to be addressed or to make things completely fair, they should probably start by addressing a few and making winning the cup and CL more reasonable.

For all my matches, especially the cup and CL matches i made sure my players had full condition, morale was high, win bonus was max, training was done. Basically i did everything i could to try and give my side even the SLIGHTEST chance. Keep in mind this does use up packs not only to prepare for the matches but also after the matches. But as expected ALL my efforts came to no avail, how are we supposed to keep up with this kind ridiculousness?!. And may i add that my team is by no means weak (for my level), granted i do not have players in my squad that are 7* but most other managers do not either.

My miracle result was 0-0 vs Hertha BSC (the team that is almost 10*) when everything was already over. Also managed a draw vs Elbasani (8* team) which is pretty good. Not a win i know but to stop teams of those quality from winning is pretty good if i do say so myself. But still, these results are all meaningless in the grand scheme of thing! Why bother in trying to qualify for CL (if your not going to get 1st place), if at the end your going to be pitted against these teams?!

It's like being given a sword and thrown into a war with guns. Give us some realistic chance!

These losses also take their toll on my league form. The drop in condition and morale and then needing to prep them again as well as doing another training session uses a ton of resources!
All of this just to experience the same handicap and troll season after season, it really is growing tiring. And this was a game that started out with soo much promise for me and after playing for a while.. it seems like this may be the end of the road..
Even though i've qualified for 3 comps it's like i only have league to play for and the cup and CL solely exist to eat up my resources. Just so Nordues can try to get me to get more resources

But back to the point, why bother to continue playing this game if we are up against these type of opponents right off the bat?

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Originally Posted by General_Ash

Agreed. We need someone from Nordeus to explain all of this. There are quite a few issues players have and although we can't expect all of them to be addressed or to make things completely fair, they should probably start by addressing a few and making winning the cup and CL more reasonable.

For all my matches, especially the cup and CL matches i made sure my players had full condition, morale was high, win bonus was max, training was done. Basically i did everything i could to try and give my side even the SLIGHTEST chance. Keep in mind this does use up packs not only to prepare for the matches but also after the matches. But as expected ALL my efforts came to no avail, how are we supposed to keep up with this kind ridiculousness?!. And may i add that my team is by no means weak (for my level), granted i do not have players in my squad that are 7* but most other managers do not either.

My miracle result was 0-0 vs Hertha BSC (the team that is almost 10*) when everything was already over. Also managed a draw vs Elbasani (8* team) which is pretty good. Not a win i know but to stop teams of those quality from winning is pretty good if i do say so myself. But still, these results are all meaningless in the grand scheme of thing! Why bother in trying to qualify for CL (if your not going to get 1st place), if at the end your going to be pitted against these teams?!

It's like being given a sword and thrown into a war with guns. Give us some realistic chance!

These losses also take their toll on my league form. The drop in condition and morale and then needing to prep them again as well as doing another training session uses a ton of resources!
All of this just to experience the same handicap and troll season after season, it really is growing tiring. And this was a game that started out with soo much promise for me and after playing for a while.. it seems like this may be the end of the road..
Even though i've qualified for 3 comps it's like i only have league to play for and the cup and CL solely exist to eat up my resources. Just so Nordues can try to get me to get more resources

But back to the point, why bother to continue playing this game if we are up against these type of opponents right off the bat?

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that's why i said, when you are complaining the unfair CUP (or even CL) draw~ 90% they are quit and say nothing!!

but look at the video post, they even close the topic and said "most of us agree"... agree what?? agree they bring down the limit is fair and good action???
then how about the unfair CUP?? we complain so many season and they are doing nothing!!!! a big lie!!

i' m so agree with General_Ash. what is exactly the point training and getting your player up when you cant even match your oppo. 8-9* team and 2-3 lvl up i totally insane no competition at all. for nordeus this is not an issue.