It's weird when people make MC/ST learn corner kick specialist. They have bad crossing ability. Use winger. When you sell them, you might help people. Hope you guys understand this message.
Printable View
It's weird when people make MC/ST learn corner kick specialist. They have bad crossing ability. Use winger. When you sell them, you might help people. Hope you guys understand this message.
Sure, but a few things.
I am not sure how much the underlying ability (crossing only probably in this case) really matters and its a bit of a mystery as far as I understand how the special ability exactly works.
Nordeus has previously stated that a player with special ability gets 40-50 skill-points more. If that is still the case, what exactly does it mean? Is a skill-point in this case 4%? Is a skill point in this instance one more ability point?
For example, for a level 1 player, the later would mean that a player that is very poor at crossing the ball -- lets say that he has 50%, in other words the ability 12.5 -- will instead have the ability 12.5+40=52.5 or (52.5/25) 210%. And I mean, at least at the early levels, the set-pieces specialists are extremely good compared to to the other players when taking corners or free-kicks. On one of my accounts that are at lvl 2, my striker shoots the ball at almost 200% and that account does not have a FK specialist in its top 11, but he is not even remotely as good as a FK specialist with much lower shooting ability that I have on the bench at taking FKs.
If this is the case, it would mean that the Special Ability is worth more at lower levels than at higher levels. Like a player at the level where 160 in ability is worth 100%, would only get 25% better with an ability of 40 SPs. I am not at all sure that this is the case. Its also entirely possible that SPs instead in this case represents %, and that a player with a SA always get 40-50 x 4% better in the relevant areas. Meaning that a player with 50% in crossings would be a 250% crossing player when taking corners.
Or its possible that the SP works in some entirely different way, that it is carved out or something.
What is your guys experience, does it matter much if a player with a SA is really good in the underlying ability?
Azwanonly, sure it is not logical, and thus it is a mistake for someone who did something like this, but see the following.
(1) Players with corner special ability and very high crossing ability still not able to make enough assists from corners.
(2) Players with very high shooting and finishing missing a lot of chances (shooting high or wide).
(3) Strikers don't need fitness according to the game, but goalkeepers do.
(4) Players with very low shooting ability scoring goals like shadow strikers.
(5) Players with very high speed being out-ran by players with very low speed.
(6) Using hard attacking and attacking does not bring you any goal versus a much much weaker team; you switch to defensive and you get 7 goals.
(7) You use odd order combinations like hard attacking and force counter attacks, high pressing and force counter-attacks or hard defending and high pressing, you will still win some matches and even dominate.
(8) Goalkeepers taking corners and free-kicks like a specialist, assisting or scoring.
There are so many more odd things.
This game has no sense at all other than being a game set up for fooling people, making them to compete against each other and making money out of them, especially lately after what seem the company did some things that made the game gone backwards.
Before someone tries to come and justify things in this game or defend this game, I will advise him to make some tests himself by creating two new teams and put them to face each other several times and try to manage the teams, and make his own deductions.
Special abilities such as freekick & cornerkick is good but if the player is weaker, then it's not. Make your freekick specialist a captain. He will score more. With various skills, they have better scoring and control. It's a big difference with a player with no skill.
You know I'm answering the other guy question.
@Azwan, what you say sounds logical. So far I haven't found out yet if the SA has more value to a player or not. RIght now I have in my team a 95 Q MC who is almost as good as a 99Q MC with dribbler SA. I have a shadow striker AML who is scoring like mad and giving assists all over the place and is almost equal to the old AML with corner kick. Mind that my new AML does not take the corners. So for me, this is all just guessing. Top Eleven refuses to explain these things to us. I love the game but I wouldn't mind more clarification about these subjects.
What you said in terms of logic is good, that is not training say a player, P1 to be a corner specialist if he has poor crossing ability. I have been following such things for quite a while too. What I have said is that there is no sense in this game. You can do ****ty things or have ****ty, non-logical characteristics in players you have and still, you will win games and the players will appear to perform as long as the calculated outcome by game has been respected. Even goalkeepers will score goals or assist like a striker or an attacking midfielder. This game is ****. I have quit this game despite having around 145T still in the account, being 1st in the league and still in the Cup and Champions League this season. This says a lot.
(I modified my previous message to you because I think it was not appropriate)
I don't know but people think differently now . 442 can use through the middle. Everyone start to do things I can not imagine. I lose to formation with no winger, no midfielder even had very bad defenders. You can even put player not on their position still they can score. Not sure why but when I do things like them, it end up losing like a troll result.
They will never explain as they have things to hide. They might try to explain things by saying lies or diverting things, but they won't reveal many things as they are. You can find somethings by doing tests and using your own logic. Also, some people in the company don't even know enough about the game or about the things you will be asking them.
I did several tests lately after having suspected some things since a few weeks, and I did not like what I have seen. I have just quit this game (yesterday) despite still being first the league, still being in the Champions League and Cup, and with about 145T left in the account. This game has become **** since a few weeks or so. It is not a game about football management and tactics as such; it is just a game to fool you and use you to make money.
I have observed this too; there has been a noticeable reduction in the quality and amount of generated players. The market has been frustrating for more than a season.
The following are some of the reasons.
(1) This game is no longer about football tactics and management as such; it is as if some things have been reverted back to an old, bad system. The game was better a few months ago, but it likely that some things were dis-activated deliberately in this game, most probably to reduce the load on the servers after all those problems that happened because of the associations. But, these things are what contributed to the fun of the game. Now, it seems that match outcomes are more less pre-determined before they are actually showed to have started. It is like you are watching a match on playback, thinking that you are controlling things or can change things when in fact, there is little to no effect.
From the test matches I have done, there is no sense at all to what has been happening in those matches. The A.M was **** too. Take into consideration that I was managing both sides each time and thus, I knew what orders each team was using.
(2) There is no sense to many things happening in this game. For example, you can use odd formation and orders combinations, and you will still win. Another one is as said above concerning players. Another one: you face a much much weaker team; hard attacking, and attacking does not seem to work - not even 1 goal scored. Guess what worked? Defending, and it brought several goals. What nonsense is this?
(3) Poor market in terms of generated players.
(4) The rewards given in terms of the effort put in are not appropriate.
Briefly, the game is no longer satisfactory. Also, the purpose of this game is to make use of people, fooling them and putting them to compete against each other and reaping the benefits due to their imperfections.
It is because there is no football sense in this game lately. It is not about what the others are doing. They have not done anything as such; it is just the game fooling you making you to believe into those things. The thing is the final outcome has to be respected no matter what. So, you will win even by using odd things or lose even when facing odd things. What you see on the pitch during the highlights is just to fool you.
True. It's not fun anymore wih players like that. Today's lose might be tomorrow's lose also. It just too much. This game had it's own unique thing that make other game different but not like this. Negotiation not working as expected. Some people can reject offers. It's different than it was beta, auction players there have very crazy quality and skill. I really like that time. Very fast trainers. Really wish it was like before.
A while back it was fun as there was some sense to it, and also the market was better. Now it is more like a source of frustration and anger, and also it not rewarding you for the effort you put. I have been putting so much effort in those past few months in this game that I got exhausted several times because of it, and now to get something like what is there lately since a few weeks - a **** game that has no football sense - this is not acceptable.
BTW, this associations thing is just another ploy by the company. Don't get fooled by the: 'no condition loss' or 'only stars matter'. For sure, you will spend more green packs and for sure you will face noticeably stronger opponents.
My association opponent start to go 6 & 7 stars now and my teammates also the same. If you know what I mean. Too much limitations that make us not satisfied with the game. I never won the league. If I'm lucky, the ones that active its just me in the league. Talk about cup or champion league. None.
It is not really about winning and losing; it is about how you win or lose in this game. Since a few weeks, there is no sense as such in how teams are winning or losing. It is not about tactics as such anymore. It is like useless trying to play this game like a football manager, putting all the effort and so on. It is like you will be doing things that won't matter much if not at all to the outcomes in this game, hence coming to the topic, where you posted about something that should matter but does not matter much in this game. You can have a player with say 50% in crossing ability and he will still assist a lot from corners and have say a player with 150% crossing with corner specialist, and he will still be a flop on corners. Things will happen or shown to happen so that the final outcomes that the game has decided are respected, even if the things that happen will have no sense at all in terms of football. You will see GKs scoring lots of goals but STs not scoring enough goals, you will see goals coming out of nowhere, you will see odd order combinations working, ****ty formations working and so on. You will see poor quality players suddenly becoming superhuman and high quality players suddenly becoming ****. It is just all the doing of the game.
I have won the league in all seasons since I started playing again except in one, and before, in the other period I was playing, I won all of them. I have won the Cup and the Champions League too, though not in the same season, hence no treble but there are doubles. I never used draw fooling, tanking and other unfair means as such unlike some people who brag or show off their achievements here and there when in fact they used unfair means to achieve those. I used tactics and other things that should matter in football management. But now, they are more or less useless because the game itself is no more about football management and tactics as such. Now, any '****' manager can win because the game itself has become ****.
Like I told you, I was still first in the League, still in the Champions League and Cup, and had about 150T in the account when I quit. For someone to quit like this, there must be something really wrong in this game lately.
I have beaten noticeably stronger teams, but mainly by tactics. Now if you beat stronger teams, it is mainly by chance or by whatever **** there is in this game, just like it was a longer time back, which is why I said, as if the company has rolled back some things in this game to an old system lately. So, this game is no more about tactics, no more about the effort put in and so on as such. You will be basically playing a non-skill required game based on quality, chance and other ****s, and also in doing so, you will be contributing to the working of the ploys that have been set up by the company.
They will, but only after they have seen how the **** the game is, how things are set up in it, and also how the company makes use of them. That is why I have said: create two new teams, do tests by making them play against each other several times, and make deductions.