Very disapointed after 2 seasons so far.

So I'm going to keep it short.

I started out 2 seasons ago, invested a lot of money(for me) in the game and i got my tham to 105%. I did this by buying good players(money/value), trained them and I had 5 or 6 scouted players and 1 world class player + a lot of 4* ones that were a few % away of getting 5*. And I had a few scouted players getting close to becoming world class. With that team I won the league and cup in my first full season and lost the CL because I was working and had 4 games that day... Anyway..

So the season ended, I was very happy naturally and then this one began and when I checked my team it was back in the 80% range !!! I lost 20% roughly on all of my lines, my world class player is a scouted one now and he is the only one on that level! All of the others are back to 5 stars or less and with a lot of work left ot do YET AGAIN just to get them to where they were! I mean WTF?! So, if it's like this every season, then I see no reason whatsoever to play,invest my money and time just to get thrown back every season! If it's like that, then there is no continuity, you can't build a team and go trough the levels with it => there is no pleasure at all and no fulfilment. It just means that you have to throw your money at the game non stop just to be able to win and change your players non stop, which, for me is complete and utter sh*t.

So i want to ask you about your opinion, experience etc etc and tell me if it really is like this, does it change later on(like after you get your players above world class they keep their abilities or something like this) or I don;t know what...

P.S. I am really enjoying the game and want to play it but if it's like i think/see it is at the moment, then I'm going to quit probably.

Thank you.

Well, I am level 30 now, so far its not about game of building great teams, its more of a game of staying on top of everyone else every season. Although you can build great teams that last probably 3-5 seasons without spending a dime. And repeat with another great teams.

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Originally Posted by xtrbg

So I'm going to keep it short.

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Oh, mate, I understand your frustration!
Look, you don't know the game yet, you need to play a few seasons for it and read some guides from the forum (check these). It is very much possible to have 105-110% team in the beginning of the season and 125-130% in the end without paying money. So I'd say, do not invest until you know how to use tokens you are buying. I made the same mistake on my 2nd level: 20 euros to the waste =]

20% reduction is happening every time you get a promotion. The overall quality of your players (the number in brackets after percentage quality) stays the same, but relative quality (percentage) drops by 20%. This part is logical: the next division means stronger teams, and your team is not that strong comparing to them. But we get nothing good from the promotion, only problems. And, unfortunately, it is highly unlikable that Nordeus is going to change something about it.

You can tank -- deliberately lose the League to avoid promotion. Many managers do it, especially on high levels. Sounds like fun, right? xD Yeah, I know it doesn't. This is a major flaw in TE game design: promotion should be a reward, but in fact it is a punishment. Accept it or stop playing.

I decided for myself that I'm not goning to pay until the problem with tankers is solved. Nordeus don't deserve it with current ****ty leveling system.

about the leveling system, I think it's kinda common in video games that if you go up one level, things get harder.
However T11 is not a video game, and in a realistic football management simulation this level system can be seen as inappropriate. And why aren't you pushed down one level if you finish at the bottom of the league?

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about the leveling system, I think it's kinda common in video games that if you go up one level, things get harder.

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In video games when you level up, you gain new skills and stat points. Plus probably access to new zones, quests and better equipment. In other words, you get more possibilities, and gameplay is slightly changing. Level up has it's rewards as well as challenges.
In TE you get nothing. Only abstract numbers change, but it doesn't affect anything. Gameplay stays absolutely the same. That makes level up a punishment.
So it is not the same, not even a little bit. Have you ever seen a game where people are trying to avoid level up? The fact we have tankers is the best indicator of Nordeus' fail in this aspect of the game.

I am surprised that so many people don't see it.

I already answered in this thread
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-problems.html

"I don't see any issue here. It's the rules of the game, the way of playing for every manager.
It's like in another strategy/management game when the years are passing and you have to update your infantry from Warriors to Pikemen to Musketeers to Riflemen or to modern warfare troopers.
Or in another action/rpg game when you have a new stronger weapon or armor but later your next opponents have from 1000 XP, to 2000 XP."

It's the challenge of the game, to build a new good team every season and fill your trophies room or take a break and stay level from time to time.
I do all above.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I already answered in this thread
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-problems.html

"I don't see any issue here. It's the rules of the game, the way of playing for every manager.
It's like in another strategy/management game when the years are passing and you have to update your infantry from Warriors to Pikemen to Musketeers to Riflemen or to modern warfare troopers.
Or in another action/rpg game when you have a new stronger weapon or armor but later your next opponents have from 1000 XP, to 2000 XP."

It's the challenge of the game, to build a new good team every season and fill your trophies room or take a break and stay level from time to time.
I do all above.

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It is the rules, and they are bad. That's the problem.

Pikeman, Musketeers and Rifleman are different types of units. They fight differently and have their unique strong and weak sides. It's not a correct compassion. In your example we have qualitative difference, in TE -- only quantitative.

And in TE we have tanking, ugly boring exploting-like thing, therefore, the system is bad. Nuff said.

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Pikeman, Musketeers and Rifleman are different types of units. They fight differently and have their unique strong and weak sides. It's not a correct compassion. In your example we have qualitative difference, in TE -- only quantitative.

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I 'm talking about the game Civilization. I spent a LOT of hours in that game.
Every player is starting with the basic units Warriors/Archers/Horsemen and after gathering sources, building cities, developing science, you try to update first your units. But sooner or later, your opponents also discover those new types too. Then you trying to move on faster and earlier than the others.
And the game keeping that way till you manage to send the first aircraft to space.

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In video games when you level up, you gain new skills and stat points.

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Yes, this is very true, and I personally feel that this is a major drawback of this game. You level up and level up, but nothing changes at all, because you are playing with other teams who are at the same relative level as you. In fact, when you reach high enough levels the game becomes more boring, because by that time you have already built your top level stadium, so you no longer spend money on that, and they begin to accumulate in billions. Besides, at certain level the value of all players reaches certain maximum (apparently set by Nordeus to maintain semblance of the relation to the reality), so at that point all players already cost the same, and you can't determine who will be trained faster, and buy them. In the past, at that point it was possible to abandon your team and start from scratch with a new team, which is what I did once, but half a year ago this feature was removed.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I already answered in this thread
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-problems.html

"I don't see any issue here. It's the rules of the game, the way of playing for every manager.
It's like in another strategy/management game when the years are passing and you have to update your infantry from Warriors to Pikemen to Musketeers to Riflemen or to modern warfare troopers.
Or in another action/rpg game when you have a new stronger weapon or armor but later your next opponents have from 1000 XP, to 2000 XP."

It's the challenge of the game, to build a new good team every season and fill your trophies room or take a break and stay level from time to time.
I do all above.

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Love that game man. Another fan here

Cheers

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I 'm talking about the game Civilization. I spent a LOT of hours in that game.
Every player is starting with the basic units Warriors/Archers/Horsemen and after gathering sources, building cities, developing science, you try to update first your units. But sooner or later, your opponents also discover those new types too. Then you trying to move on faster and earlier than the others.
And the game keeping that way till you manage to send the first aircraft to space.

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Yeah, me too, I play since the first part.
But don't you see the difference? In Civilization you make effort, spend resources and get a reward: new technology, new units maybe. New possibilities. In Top Eleven you make effort, spend resources, and get -20% to quality, and nothing else. And we have tankers because of that.
Or do you think that tanking is OK in a game like this?

tanking is not only ok, it's absolutely necessary for players that play for free. I tank every 5 seasons to rebuild and develop my squad. Learning how to purposely lose/draw helps you understand what not to do to win as well.

Not to forget all the time some of us put into micro management training which seems sertainly wasted since abilities seems more like cosmetics than real

ah, that's good you played Civ Toxcatl :)
So, at that game, new radical inventions were very few if you remember
workers > engineers (terraforming), railway (unlimited moves), diplomat to spy, flight, aircraft carrier, nuclear bomb and 2-3 others.
Having a new unit, a jet instead of an airplane it's just few moves and some firepower more. The battle system remains the same.

The reward of this game is to win games and trophies. What else could be ?

Yes, I agree with HoofDaddy
No, I don't agree with "pro"/permanent tankers who do that only for asso groups.
No, I don't agree when someone can build a team above 7* with tanking
my suggestion https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...A-players.html

Loved civ as well.
In T11 the only progress are the training drills you can unlock, and the buildings. And once you have them all, it's just marginal gain.
Apart from that, difficult to compare Civ to T11.

In the former, there is always a long term objective of conquest and world domination.
In T11, it's more as Nik said: How long can you stay on top?
Your team's strength is constantly eroded. Nothing lasts. Your brilliant AML will be the shadow of himself next season.
How to keep up? what will your team look like early next season?
I think it's quite alike to the challenges of real football manager. Think how long Arsene Wenger, Alex Ferguson etc have been doing that very same thing?

For the rest, I agree tanking is a problem (I don't like to play against teams that want to loose), and I'm ready to revise my opinion when I feel I need to tank too. Not happened yet.

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Apart from that, difficult to compare Civ to T11.

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another Civ fan :)
The basic thing of (almost) all the games is a routine, where actually you do the same basic things (till the time the game is over - you finished all the missions).
So it's the same
trying to win with your riflemen opponent's musketeers (in Civ)
won new territories or castles in Total War
wear the new power armor but facing stronger mutants (in Fall out)
find a new stronger sword in a dungeon but have to fight a more dangerous dragon
building a 6*-7* team , winning a trophy, loosing a star in the next season and building your team again.

Here of course we have the challenge to find some young fast trainers and keep them for 3-4 more seasons in our team.

But for me, one of the more exiting moments (except playing in a final) in the game is to wake up early in the morning of the first season Sunday and looking for players to build my team.

Could it be better ? yes, I would like a longer season , of six weeks for example, so to enjoy my new team.
As I also would like a match with longer duration of 15 min. with more interactive coaching.

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As I also would like a match with longer duration of 15 min. with more interactive coaching.

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Agreed. In the wish list, I'd add more stats. I feel we're kind of blind during the games.
How many offsides, attacks on the right, left, centre, counter attacks, how many passes to each player etc

I am from Serbia and here people work every day for 10 euros or less so i don't buy tokens but when I read some interesting staff about training and buying young players (18-21yo) and ofcourse watching free videos for greens and 2 videos for x2 training i won 2 trebles in a row and this season my team is undifeated also...and with understending the tactic I am wining agains stronger teams.My team is 100% on the beginig of the season and 120% at the end of the season.(this season my team is on 111% ant the second week is not over).So you don't need money only time and brain

It is easy to get a full team of scout with the token earn everyday and from the association reward. I never spend a penny and yet I have a team of all scout players. Just have fun and don't over invest your money in this game, it doesn't worth taking you a hell lot of money.