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    ok @ MiddleEarth
    interesting your post (oh no, not another T11 nerd - lol)
    I can see that you had
    Season 2, 2 troll
    Season 3, 1 troll
    Season 4, 1 troll
    Season 5, 2 troll
    Season 6, 2 troll

    so far so good, that's a normal T11 situation
    Season 7, 6 troll
    Those are too many but I wonder if it was a "bad" season, something happened to your "key" players or don't know what else.
    No one knows your team better than you

    Season 8, 3 troll
    Season 9, 3 troll
    Season 10, 7 troll
    Season 11, 6 troll

    That's the interesting part.
    What we 're searching for.
    If something broken the latest months.

    but consider that

    1) You mentioned about 1-2 games which was your finals.
    A team, an oppo who reached the finals deserves some respect.
    Even if he has lower quality or not using the perfect formation or been present in the games, he has some chemistry, he has built a team that for some reason can destroy any opponent.
    Like Atletico Madrid phenomenon (wth is this team doing in top 3 of Spanish League or top 4-8 of Europe ? )

    2) Ball possession
    Is this factor overestimated ?
    Considering that a big part of that, comes from the +8% of our presence, our supporters and the 5% from home game/tickets.
    That's a big discussion.
    We already had some, here for example
    https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...en-matter.html

    3) The stats are broken, not the game.
    What I mean is that the stats we see aren't the real ones.
    If we leave away the b.p. (and the Live game as it's only preset videos)
    the next weird thing is the efficiency, the broken balance between the Shots, the SoT and the successful shots.
    But if those numbers are wrong ?
    If (despite the ball possession) the number of the shots and the SoT are very similar ?
    I spotted this here. 3 months ago
    https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ics-table.html

    4) Another one factor, is that the teams from +1LV, have some hidden bonus (that's my theory from experiences) which give them higher efficiency than our team (which maybe can have the same quality with oppo).
    So now that most of the active managers are playing vs managers from a +1 lv (in the Cup and the CH.L. or Super League) but maybe not so active, this multiplies the troll issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post

    Season 7, 6 troll
    Those are too many but I wonder if it was a "bad" season, something happened to your "key" players or don't know what else.
    No one knows your team better than you
    no "key" players missing throughout the season, all within my books, don't you worry...
    Well, finished the season ending 2nd within the league with a 7 points margin behind the league winner, got that wonderful troll within the CL Final, and lost to the later finalist within the Cup (1/4 finals stage). I've seen far lousier seasons as that one, lol

    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
    Season 8, 3 troll
    Season 9, 3 troll
    Season 10, 7 troll
    Season 11, 6 troll

    That's the interesting part.
    What we 're searching for.
    If something broken the latest months.

    but consider that

    1) You mentioned about 1-2 games which was your finals.
    A team, an oppo who reached the finals deserves some respect.
    Even if he has lower quality or not using the perfect formation or been present in the games, he has some chemistry, he has built a team that for some reason can destroy any opponent.
    Like Atletico Madrid phenomenon (wth is this team doing in top 3 of Spanish League or top 4-8 of Europe ? )
    Nik, I did'n play Atletico f... Madrid, I played a school boy who had even +7 support bonus with all his FB friends on board of that goddamn Final. He didn't change a damn thing throughout the entire freaking game, but yet he turned around matters with that late 2-1 winning goal out of nothing, washing away my nice 1-0 lead up until minute 63. Shootouts are another story, but I can just say - ENGLAND, you'll get the point... never won a damn penalty-shootout in my entire f........ virtual T11 life, lost all 3 of them, including 2 Extra-time decisions, like I sad; "this is England!"

    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
    2) Ball possession
    Is this factor overestimated ?
    Considering that a big part of that, comes from the +8% of our presence, our supporters and the 5% from home game/tickets.
    That's a big discussion.
    We already had some, here for example
    https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...en-matter.html
    Does Barcelona get trolled 6-7 times within a single season? If you answer that one correct, well, then this damn T11 game is pretty close to reality, otherwise; better luck next time...

    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
    3) The stats are broken, not the game.
    What I mean is that the stats we see aren't the real ones.
    If we leave away the b.p. (and the Live game as it's only preset videos)
    the next weird thing is the efficiency, the broken balance between the Shots, the SoT and the successful shots.
    But if those numbers are wrong ?
    If (despite the ball possession) the number of the shots and the SoT are very similar ?
    I spotted this here. 3 months ago
    https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ics-table.html
    Off f..... course are the stats broke, but not just the stats, the entire goddamn black-box called; engine is in a Marylin Manson state and doesn't seem to get out of it...


    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
    4) Another one factor, is that the teams from +1LV, have some hidden bonus (that's my theory from experiences) which give them higher efficiency than our team (which maybe can have the same quality with oppo).
    So now that most of the active managers are playing vs managers from a +1 lv (in the Cup and the CH.L. or Super League) but maybe not so active, this multiplies the troll issue.
    I'm playing since level 3, season 3 +1LV (Cup even +3 up until season 6...) opponents, so I got sort used to it. Jesus-f.....-Christ would I love it to see changing that into something meaningful, to be more precise, to be once in my freaking live on the other side of the board, facing -1 lv oppo's. Can't be that ****ing hard to implement that, a cycle, once every 3 goddamn seasons your awesome looking team getting drawn with -1 lv opponents either within the CL or within that damn Cup, and back to +1 and even, than circling around until our head blow of our necks. But hell freaking, nope, we have to live with it as is, always and forever playing the same old ****ers from one level above. I almost know their freaking teams better then they do, most likely...

    Long story cut short;

    Nordeus, please make that code of yours Opensource, so we can fetch that to our bloody machines and have a look into the same, do some tweaks here and there, modify that bloody hell called engine and put our changes back on f.... github or wheresoever...
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