So, i have figured it out (i think)

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07-19-2017
ElPocho

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So, i have figured it out (i think)

Every new update this game just add some new features that will force us to squeeze our wallets and pay some cash to buy tokens.

Usually, to be able to have the best team and to keep up with the best managers every season.

Like this new thing in the last update where you have to pay 21 tokens just to refresh the scouts list, and before by merging all levels together to make you pay more tokens per player especially the young ones.

At first i thought the game developers were just greedy and will do any silly idea just to make more money but as an app developer myself i figured out that most of top eleven users are from third world countries, so let's say even if they want to buy tokens they won't and couldn't because tokens are expensive in their local currency and i believe they can't pay online especially in foreign websites (correct me if i'm wrong).

So how this game/company will make enough money to survive when most of its 50 millions players(Android +iOS) are from countries that can't pay online to buy in game tokens and energy bars and other micro transactions ?

Well by Forcing the minority who are players from Europe usa and Canada to buy tokens. Why i said by "forcing" them, it's because every major update top eleven does these days always include a way to make the game easier for you if you spend more money . Before 3 years, this game was a real play to win,and i know that the game still make ads revenues from sponsored videos but still, the demographics matters a lot in ads revenues.

So,How did i conclude this theory ?

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As i said I'm an app developer and one of my apps is called Tips for top eleven , and after six months of its release here its demographics.
As you can see most of this app users are from third world countries and from the first world countries, the uk is taking the lead. And i thought maybe my app statistics are close to the real game statistics.

I'll give you another example for another App of mine called mods for skyrim and as you can see most of its users are from first world countries because this game is more popular there and people who live there love mods and modding in general.
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I just wanted to share with you my theory, and i wish if you tell what you think about it .

Thanks.
07-19-2017
nikolgiorgos

What are the first demographics ?
what is that map ?
from which game ? period ?
and 5 only countries, isn't enough to give us some picture
07-19-2017
ElPocho

The first pic shows the demographics of my app Tips for top eleven. (the real game demographics should be similar to that theoretically).
The map shows the demographics of app users per installs.
The Period is the last three months.
Google play for developers shows the top 5 countries in which your app is popular, i can show you the rest of the 138 countries but it's pointless, because according to Google play the top 5 really show you the big picture and from where your most users come from.
07-21-2017
gizzmo

Funny as I cannot remember playing anyone from Iran in 3 years. On the other hand, I think the 50 million players completely exaggerated as I uninstall/reinstall the app several time per day myself. And I might not be the only one.
07-21-2017
ElPocho

Exactly, i'm sure only 10 % of those 50 millions or less are actually playing the game but still if you check the people who comment on the official top 11 Facebook page you can see that most of them are from the uk or from third world countries, same for top 11 fans Facebook groups, I've joined a couple of them and found the same demographics.
07-21-2017
Tactician

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Funny as I cannot remember playing anyone from Iran in 3 years. On the other hand, I think the 50 million players completely exaggerated as I uninstall/reinstall the app several time per day myself. And I might not be the only one.

The 50 millions can be halved, and even quartered with the amount of clone accounts in this game. The more appropriate term to be used is 50 million game accounts have been created. Then it comes to how many are active or semi-active, and how many are abandoned. So, the real, current number of different persons playing this game is far from the 50 millions.
07-21-2017
ElPocho

No matter what, there are over 50 millions unique devices that downloaded the game even if many delete it right after, note that Google play and the app store only counts unique downloads so if you download and delete it let's say 10 times it will be counted only as 1 download.
07-21-2017
Tactician

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

No matter what, there are over 50 millions unique devices that downloaded the game even if many delete it right after, note that Google play and the app store only counts unique downloads so if you download and delete it let's say 10 times it will be counted only as 1 download.

Probably not if you use different google accounts.
07-21-2017
ElPocho

Unless the game is buying huge amount of fake downloads, i don't see why any manager would download the same game and delete it using different gmails. Even those who have more than one team, they download the game once and then login with a different Gmail. Google is very strict about these unusual activities and every smartphone even with the same brand and name still have a unique id and the number of downloads is based on those IDs.
07-21-2017
Tactician

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

Unless the game is buying huge amount of fake downloads, i don't see why any manager would download the same game and delete it using different gmails. Even those who have more than one team, they download the game once and then login with a different Gmail. Google is very strict about these unusual activities and every smartphone even with the same brand and name still have a unique id and the number of downloads is based on those IDs.

Clone accounts can be created using different google accounts. The device stays the same, but the google account associated to it, and hence to Google Play, must be changed to access the clone account (unless I am mistaken as maybe you can access those directly like it is the case of those game accounts linked with Facebook) .

You can see some example of clones from the top 100 of associations itself. There is one user that even labelled them 1, 2 ,3... something like this.

It is against the rules of Google to have fake accounts and it is against the rule of Facebook to have fake accounts, and they have been taking action against that too (in the past, I had test accounts, and some of them got removed), but as you can see in the top 100, there are many still there and running.

There is another thing too. Lets say there have been 50 million downloads (unique users). You think there are 50 million different teams (active, semi active or abandoned)? Looks unrealistic.

There used to be a number count showing the amount of users of the game on the official game page (I have not checked if it is still there). The numbers there itself looks like they counted clone accounts too.

But I get your points though, and I won't disagree with that, and 50 million downloads, yes, but it is unlikely that are 50 million unique users for this game.
07-21-2017
Niddhoeggr

Allright, so that is your "theory"?

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Well by Forcing the minority who are players from Europe usa and Canada to buy tokens. Why i said by "forcing" them, it's because every major update top eleven does these days always include a way to make the game easier for you if you spend more money . Before 3 years, this game was a real play to win,and i know that the game still make ads revenues from sponsored videos but still, the demographics matters a lot in ads revenues.

Well, first of all, no one is "forced" to pay real cash to buy some tokens. Second of all it would apply to all the players who do actually play the game. This new feature does not have an impact on the target audience (let's call it western world). Everyone can decide to use the feature (and to be honest I find it quite useless but it does not do any harm). I can't see any dis- or advantage concerning all potential markets. We all do have some certain "needs" and it is not a subject of a certain background/ancestry or something else. I do not have the actual statistics but I do guess that a lot of "third world country" players - as you named it - are paying some money. Of course marketing does play a big role for nordeus but I really do not see a real strategy in regard of your thread. There is no visible disadvantage for players from one or the other side of the world. Attending players in the UK, the States, France or in my case Austria do have no penalty in playing the game (except for the availability of videos from the providers) or aren't forced to spend more tokens. You are trying to explain the mechanics or/and the nordeus strategy by posting some not really reliable statistics catched from your/an application? Ok and what does that implicate further? Sorry, I don't get it.

I don't really understand what you are trying to tell us /or me but I do sense some kind of underlying racism here. Sorry, I could be utterly wrong but you are focusing so much on a certain and in my opinion far-fetched aspect and ignoring the same time what else does come into play.

Best,
Nidd
07-21-2017
ElPocho

They are using the 50 millions downloads as a marketing tool because let's face it, real, clones or fake, 50 m is a big number, however we were drifted from the real subject here, which is most of top eleven users are from third world countries and can't buy tokens even if they want to and the game is doing its best every update to make the minority( people who can pay online) to pay real money in the game for some questionable reasons like refreshing scouts or by merging all levels in one market . What do you think about that.
07-21-2017
ElPocho

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Originally Posted by Niddhoeggr

Allright, so that is your "theory"?

Well, first of all, no one is "forced" to pay real cash to buy some tokens. Second of all it would apply to all the players who do actually play the game. This new feature does not have an impact on the target audience (let's call it western world). Everyone can decide to use the feature (and to be honest I find it quite useless but it does not do any harm). I can't see any dis- or advantage concerning all potential markets. We all do have some certain "needs" and it is not a subject of a certain background/ancestry or something else. I do not have the actual statistics but I do guess that a lot of "third world country" players - as you named it - are paying some money. Of course marketing does play a big role for nordeus but I really do not see a real strategy in regard of your thread. There is no visible disadvantage for players from one or the other side of the world. Attending players in the UK, the States, France or in my case Austria do have no penalty in playing the game (except for the availability of videos from the providers) or aren't forced to spend more tokens. You are trying to explain the mechanics or/and the nordeus strategy by posting some not really reliable statistics catched from your/an application? Ok and what does that implicate further? Sorry, I don't get it.

I don't really understand what you are trying to tell us /or me but I do sense some kind of underlying racism here. Sorry, I could be utterly wrong but you are focusing so much on a certain and in my opinion far-fetched aspect and ignoring the same time what else does come into play.

Best,
Nidd

Ofc it's not racism, i'm just trying to find out why lately in every major update the game seems to focus more on material gaining than on improving the real game, and as i said before it's a theory, i thought maybe because the game is not achieving the revenues that they want to achieve because most or its players are from third world countries and can't pay online.
07-21-2017
Tactician

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Originally Posted by ElPocho

They are using the 50 millions downloads as a marketing tool because let's face it, real, clones or fake, 50 m is a big number, however we were drifted from the real subject here, which is most of top eleven users are from third world countries and can't buy tokens even if they want to and the game is doing its best every update to make the minority( people who can pay online) to pay real money in the game for some questionable reasons like refreshing scouts or by merging all levels in one market . What do you think about that.

Nordeus themselves know what kind of market are they targeting with those changes but this monthly card thing has some role to play in it (someone mentioned about that too). 5 USD is not that expensive for many people, and given the temptations someone can get from this game, it is expected that he would be buying tokens if he can.

Take a look at myself. I bought a lot of tokens in the past as I got influenced or got carried away by the game. I have spent a decent amount of money on this game. Below are the proofs. I was not earning any salary during those times, but I still spent those amounts as shown, and this money was the money I was given to buy food and other things. So, I sacrificed some food and so on in some way. Sure, I don't buy anymore; I have not purchased any tokens since that second quit (2016).

https://s18.postimg.org/jed6w5pa1/Pa...To_Nordeus.png
https://s18.postimg.org/z7sehb1jd/Pa..._Nordeus_2.jpg

The amount of tokens asked for the refresh of the scout's list is absurd for sure, and seriously who would spend 25T many times, refreshing the list until he gets the players he wanted? Only those very rich people will do that. Such people that would spend like this are those sort of rich people you have in UAE for example. But still, even the average person can get carried away and he might spend.

In my opinion, people can easily get trapped by such games and get carried away and start to spend. It becomes like a drug. I have played another online game, and there were a few people that were spending a lot (one of them really spent a lot regularly; it was like 20-40 USD every other day or so). That game I am speaking about was a game where the company was more after the money. Nordeus seems to be heading to that same direction.

For me, people have imperfections, and business people exploit those imperfections to make money. For the case of this game, it is about the addiction or the want to win or achieve something (even if it is virtual; in fact, once people are into it, it is no more like virtual) or the want to be the most powerful or the best. Some people also are a fan of a certain real life club, and they will try to re-create that club in the game and they will go very far so that this team succeeds because there is the that other bit that is attached to it too (being a fan of that team in real life).