Training: White and grey area's. How does it work?

Ok, lets try to shed some light on the training. Nordeus keeps us in the dark about everything, so maybe we can put our minds together and find out how stuff really work (if everything is not fixed yet).

So we got our new training patterns and we see skills that are greyed out or highlighted. There are several rumors about stuff that I would like to know whether they are right or wrong. If you do things are right, please provide some proof.

The following rumors I have heard about.

1) If you train a greyed out skill the exp in that area is wasted. It is gone. Is this true? I train my AMR and he has a greyed out heading skill. If I use the "use your head" training I do see that he gets extra points in heading. Is this wasted? Or will the AMR still use this stat to score a goal with the head? This leads to rumor number 2.

2) Greyed out skills do not contribute to a player. So low greyed out skills doesn't mean Jack. The player could still perform brillantly if the highlighted skills are good. Post 224 is a brilliant example:

https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-ready-23.html

A 1 star player scoring superbly in a league with 6-7 star players. This would normally not be possible but with 300-400% on physical highlighted stats it apparantly can.

3) Highlighted skills will get more exp then greyed out skills. I don't know who said this, but I read it somewhere. So if my AMR will train with "use your head" he will train heading, creativity, passing and positioning. I used the training button 5 times and it looks like heading and positioning was a little less then creativity and passing. Needs more research. Plausible as myth busters would say.

4) What highlighted attributes help with your SA? Still something that I am completely in the dark with.
Free kick = Shooting, finishing, strength and creativity would be the logical choices. But if that is the case then why do recommended DC's get the free kick SA when they have only strength highlighted.
Corner kick = Shooting, passing, crossing and creativity would be logical choices but why do you see so many strikers with this skill as they only have shooting?
Aerial defender = Marking, positioning, agression, strength and of course heading would be logical. But I see DR and DL all over the place with this skill, but they only have marking and positioning.
So anybody has a clue about this?

Good questions ,I don't really know ,even im level 48,seeing now that huge % in physical throws all away what I thought I knew. But some skills are probably useful even if they are shown as defensive ,I think heading is needed for goals too yes,it's important even though it is def shown .I'm curious what other forum members have to say. But I noticed one thing too,I had an amr mr who scored 450 goals cause low def but my new guy is mr amr with dmr n even though he got over 200% shoting finish n physical he scores half of what the guy without dmr role did ,I think therefore sometimes skills automatically still go into a position a guy has even though its no use.

1 Incorrect
2 Unknown
3 Correct
4 Unknown?

EDIT: actually 1 and 2 are basically the same question. However, training grey skills is not wasted as such (only if grey skills are completely irrelevant)

Question 1 and 2 are connected for sure. I read that training grey skills were wasted points. So question 1 needs to be answered first. How are they wasted? Wasted as in not counted? Well they do count. Now question number 2. If they count, how much do they count? Do they even matter? Do we have any proof of anything?

"White" skills increasing a little bit more than the "grey" skills , so some investment of greens will have better results in quality development of a player.
So better choose white skills.
Quality of a player (and a team) matters, "talent" of a player matters, skills I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

"White" skills increasing a little bit more than the "grey" skills , so some investment of greens will have better results in quality development of a player.
So better choose white skills.
Quality of a player (and a team) matters, "talent" of a player matters, skills I don't think so.

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Yes,I agree ,skills now seem just to make us think the specific training has any use ,and with that training screen compared to the old one they have to make it look like it is important,how else would they explain the 91 level ,its just that we have something to do,but in reality the Q matters,not where 1 skill is more or less :)
and seeing if someone can put all only into physical and has the same success or even more ,it just proves the nonsense of specific skill or more balanced

An extra question to discuss. Is it good or bad to have little white skills? If you have a triple role player like DML/ML/AML you will have only 1 grey skill. Now is that positive or negative? We are concluding that white skills are essential to a player, but to what extent? Will the white skills for a DML contribute to the performance of the AML position?

What I find so annoying is that these are all basic questions about the game and nobody has a good answer, except for Nordeus, but they refuse to share this kind of info.

Yes,it'll decrease his attacking performance if a winger is dml dmr too. Here are pics of my old winger who had no dmr role ,compared to my new guy with dmr.they both have similar attacking % and physical but new guy won't be a goal machine due to his high physical what comes with dmr.Almost every skill point from gift or man of the match goes into his defense ,and also I never train defense on winger ,he always gets still% in defense . He will lose 20% on Sunday but will at the end of next season back on over 80% in defense due to stupid skills for his dmr
I have every season only 2 guys I give more greens,its my gk n one of 2 winger,all others stay average ;)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ab3534ce51.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1f6fd436f5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...11c2be701e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0fb26f56ef.jpg

But Sergey just looks amazing. And he is quite the goal machine. 0,75-0,8 goal per game is high. Wilson with 1 goal per game is just amazing, especially if he is in a normal league (no cheating with selling the team at the end to face lower qualities).

I never cheat,I have always 2 guys starting 7 stars or 7.5 which is gk n one of the winger n other guys will usually go down 5 star or scout .my average Q at each season start is around 105% but yes,quite unbalanced with 2 guys bigger than the rest,but in my opinion a good gk n winger is all it needs :) yes,sergey is fine specially with assists through ck but the difference is a,winger without dmr dml shoots more often and from everywhere,while the dml dmr guys somehow holding back ,cause of defense skills..I prefer amr mr but sometimes I get dms too. Wilson played this season 9 games or 10 just few minutes,still score ,I'm going to miss him.But what I wanted say is in my opinion the dml dmr always holds the guys back cause they gain def skills unnecessary

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Originally Posted by Killroy

1) If you train a greyed out skill the exp in that area is wasted. It is gone. Is this true? I train my AMR and he has a greyed out heading skill. If I use the "use your head" training I do see that he gets extra points in heading. Is this wasted? Or will the AMR still use this stat to score a goal with the head? This leads to rumor number 2.

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I think the gray stats just refer to skills which are important for performing the specific duties for the position the player is assigned too play. However, the gray skills might still factor into what happens on plays which aren't from the run of play. For example, My association duel today was decided a goal from my DL, smashing home the corner kick. In a case like this this, his heading and/or positioning skills may have played a role in getting onto the end of that cross; although heading is a gray stat. What's clear is the my DL was in the box, and heading is a white stat for both centerbacks and strikers so I would assume in factored in somehow in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Peter Renn

I never cheat,I have always 2 guys starting 7 stars or 7.5 which is gk n one of the winger n other guys will usually go down 5 star or scout .my average Q at each season start is around 105% but yes,quite unbalanced with 2 guys bigger than the rest,but in my opinion a good gk n winger is all it needs :) yes,sergey is fine specially with assists through ck but the difference is a,winger without dmr dml shoots more often and from everywhere,while the dml dmr guys somehow holding back ,cause of defense skills..I prefer amr mr but sometimes I get dms too. Wilson played this season 9 games or 10 just few minutes,still score ,I'm going to miss him.But what I wanted say is in my opinion the dml dmr always holds the guys back cause they gain def skills unnecessary

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So, it appears that high fitness and speed are required by wingers. Wingers do have a tendency to score high stats for average goals in a balanced team. I just checked all my wingers (5 of them) and their average range from 0,55 to 0,78 goals per game. The one with 0,55 has however an assist factor of about 0,7 per game (he is pretty good with corner kicks). I am training my wingers this seasons in these 2 key attributes though to see if it makes some difference. I just boosted all fitness and speed with about 50%. Not sure if that is enough, but we will see.

About your assumption, Peter, that a AMR/MR will shoot more then DMR/MR/AMR, can you prove that? This would be some good info. And how much keeps defensive stats him back. We should gather more info from more players for this.

ok but isn't it a disadvantage, a player with so low skills it the team ?
Specially if you have 3-4 attackers with 1% tackling, heading or marking ?

You aren't all out attack every time, every game, every hour.

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Originally Posted by Killroy

So, it appears that high fitness and speed are required by wingers. Wingers do have a tendency to score high stats for average goals in a balanced team. I just checked all my wingers (5 of them) and their average range from 0,55 to 0,78 goals per game. The one with 0,55 has however an assist factor of about 0,7 per game (he is pretty good with corner kicks). I am training my wingers this seasons in these 2 key attributes though to see if it makes some difference. I just boosted all fitness and speed with about 50%. Not sure if that is enough, but we will see.

About your assumption, Peter, that a AMR/MR will shoot more then DMR/MR/AMR, can you prove that? This would be some good info. And how much keeps defensive stats him back. We should gather more info from more players for this.

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Hey;) it's just like my new guy sergey is still amazing with dmr but like my old guy was no dmr,just mr amr n he scored a average of 45 Goals for 10 seasons,his highest was 80 goals.my guy with dmr now scored highest so far 53 with 41 assists too,which is still wonderful but if you watch matches you can see the difference ,the guy without dmr shots n scored from all over the pitch at some point ,n even if no score he always shooting while the dmr guy is not like that,he really seems even if you don't ever train the dmr dml position n give only % in attack n physical that he still is programmed from nordeus I think to be dmr dml too ,so I think even with sane% in attack n physical compared to a no dmr dml they were hold back as they still have this dmr position even if you never give % there is a little something missing to make them perform same as a no dmr dml,cause inside they still defensive oriented too due to their dml dmr,but of course they can be great too,just not same as no dms

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

ok but isn't it a disadvantage, a player with so low skills it the team ?
Specially if you have 3-4 attackers with 1% tackling, heading or marking ?

You aren't all out attack every time, every game, every hour.

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Well,I never play attack ,always normal mentality ,but great winger with low def make the difference ,yesterday 9 goals right winger,today he 4 so far n left winger too. But my right winger still could score even more if he was not dmr..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ddb5ef9fc9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...33d17222a2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3e318d2426.jpg

I am struggling to find an answer on here about the relevance or indeed the benefit of focusing on key attributes in training.

Can anyone tell me:
Do grey skill percentages factor into overall ability %?
If not then surely fewer key attributes would be easier to train and develop, no?

However, I have literally just purchased an MC with 15 white (key) attributes and during training sessions with the team, he picks up lots of percentage points, regardless of the training schedule.

I'm a little confused with the new training system and have read all the posted tutorials (thanks people) but none of them really get into the detail I'm looking for.

If anyone has any ideas/tips/info I would really appreciate it.

Jack

it's the same subject so I merged the threads.
I don't think you 'll find any clear answer - don't bother much about it.