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What is going on with this famous cheat? Supposed that you stop it. I played against this f@@@ guy end even i am 15% stronger lost easy 3-0. I had only 3 shots lol.
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It can be also 2000%, but the engine still takes it like it is 340%.
as a human, loosing to a mutant is normal
unless you are batman :D
It has been stated that the engine recognizes all those skills as maximum 340%.so it might just be that you lost fair and square though I belief the association game engine is severely trolled
What rule did he violate to be called cheat?
@Ioannis Boulakas
don't judge from one game.
Asso games have anyway a bigger random factor.
See what his team doing all the weekend.
Nik, the association engine is actually the same engine that is used for league, champions league and cup matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
What's happening is that their is a cultural component to tactics. Basically, some nations, especially those with a rich footballing history have a cultural signature to their play style, whether it be a counter attacking style, tiki-taka, all-out attack, etc... Since several servers are heavy with one or two nations making up the vast majority of the managers, managers tactics and they way the game is learned is being defined by what the dominant playstyle(s) of that server are. So the tactics that work best on one server, won't necessarily experience as much success on a different server. What's happening with association is that the servers are being merged together, so managers on server 17 and playing against managers on servers other than server 17.
Here is my performance in my current association
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27 total bonuses given so far; haven't missed bonus. 27*6 = 162 maximum points. I've earned 147 total, for 147/162 overall. An overall record of 48-3-3 since I joined this association. I don't believe that pace to be sustainable, but over my last 54 non association matches, I have the same exact record of 48-3-3.
Basically, association, league, cup, CL/SL all are the same game engine, but footballing culture defines tactics, so managers on different servers are learning the game differently, due to different styles of play.
Is that really true? And if you change a players nationality will they perform differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
For example, if I changed my MC, to Spanish would he really pass better?
Nationality of the players (generated by nordeus) on a roster doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by smk fc
It's all about the footballing culture of the region that manager of the team is from. Basically, lets say 90% of managers from Turkey playing an attacking playstyle, if I setup with a counter-attacking system, I have a 90% chance of having my tactics correct, at least at the start of the match.
So if I am from UK, the way it set up my team doesn't matter I will naturally play a certain way which will be different to if I was from Turkey? Are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
If you are right, then why can I look at opposition and plan depending on what nation he is?
Can you guarantee that?Quote:
Originally Posted by k1tb
i am not sure
With the cultural theory, its about playing probabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by smk fc
If you're from the UK, it doesn't mean your tactics will be the same as every other manager from the UK. It just means that there is a most common playstyle. Tactics ultimately are the choice of the manager. And the more skilled the manager, the less likely they are to have their tactics conform to what the dominant cultural system is.
Unskilled managers (or skilled but inactive managers) have a large role in defining this most common playstyle. They don't really understand what does what tactically, but change things around to find what works best. So ultimately, their is a high probability that they'll end up using the tactic that is the most common on their server, or that tactic which counters the most common system. But they don't understand why these tactics are working. So in some cases, some tactics that matchup well against an association opponent, have a poor success rate on some servers, so managers aren't confident in using them when it's the best option for a specific opponent.
I played and won a mutant team (after loosing the 1st asso game).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ioannis Boulakas
hmm, interesting theory.Quote:
It's all about the footballing culture of the region that manager of the team is from. Basically, lets say 90% of managers from Turkey playing an attacking playstyle, if I setup with a counter-attacking system, I have a 90% chance of having my tactics correct, at least at the start of the match
I 'm from Greece and playing def/counters , like our team that won EURO 2004 :p
Maybe I 'll add it in Mythbustes - lol
Are you in platinium? What division have you played mostly in?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
Who is Baldy Dave, and how does he relate to this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzo
Also, if the post will be moved why post it???
Lol hilarious. You really believe nordeus are capable of developing a culture based engine. Is it April the 1st?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
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currently in platinum. Association history for last 7 seasons (including this one) below.Quote:
Originally Posted by smk fc
Gold 1 (Great Tactican) overall record 10-2-4
Platinum (Great Tactican) overall record 11-3-2
Platinum (Great Tactican); switched associations Gold 1 (Party Trix) overall record 2-2-0 (platinum) 4-0-0 (gold 1)
Gold 1 (Party Trix) overall record 15-0-1
Gold 1 (Party Trix) overall record 14-1-1
Platinum (Party Trix) overall record 13-2-1
Platinum (Party Trix - this season) overall record 2-0-0
Very interesting view! Thanks for this. Will think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
(We/someone should make a study regarding this. Even if it is only a plain questionnaire and the whole thing based on descriptive statistics^^ Oh man, that sounds interesting. Sociology is not my expertise but great that you thought about that!)
You don't understand what pcmacdaniel was saying. Nordeus gives us the engine and the tools to work within it, but different cultures have different approaches and thoughts about "what is the best way in terms of tactics to play a football game". And that's it. If a player is in league 20 and only had other managers from his region/are/continent he might adapt to their beliefs regarding tactics (to be competitive in the end) and this might reflect his tactics in the association games which are played on an international stage. It may be overly generalizing to assume that one culture or geographically tight group does only play let's say "attacking with offside trap" but on the average it might be true. Therefore a survey would be great but really not important for the game at all. I only find pcmacdaniels view very interesting and there could be some truth in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rogerniceguy
Ok fair enough. Associations share tactics I get it. Some people may play a style that suits their personal believes on how football should be played and be rigid in their thinking. However it's a computer game and people want to win. So generally in my experience people will choose whatever other people find works irrespective of how they feel football should be played. TE feels like rock paper scissors and everyone is looking for the magic formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niddhoeggr
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Always be batman.Quote:
Originally Posted by adifairus
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Niddhoeggr understands what i'm trying to say.
In case of confusion, the main point is that data mining can be done to identify patterns in the tactics of managers on a larger level such as cultural. It's valuable for competitions where we don't have much familiarity with our opponents, so higher levels that see the same teams every season this doesn't benefit. The pattern is unlikely find something as rigid as 100% of the time a manager from _______ play defense + counters. Patterns won't be that obvious, but they won't find completely random results either. It might find something like 2/3rds of the time a manager from __________ will start the 1st leg of an association duel with defense + counters. Keep in mind that being associations, our opponent hasn't had the opportunity to study our tactics, so no individual pattern can be recognized, increasing the odds they just go to their favorite system for the 1st leg. So if we can identify patterns like this, it provides a basis for how to start an association and if we guess correctly, we can jump out to a multiple goal advantage and by the time the opponent changes their system, the damage is already done.
If i'm wrong, i'll happily eat my words.
If i'm correct, their are probably other associations that are already looking for patterns like these, especially in the platinum league.
If you are playing an Aussie, prepare for hard tackling!
I like your ideas. My problem is more that the game is so random even more so in associations I find it hard to believe you can actually read anything into the game of TE. Real football and behaviour yes. TE not so much. I agree that managers are likely to start 1st leg with their usual favoured system then change in 2nd leg if they lose. In final we can study sf games but I'm not seeing anything in the matches in associations which makes much sense to be honest lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
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Disagree completely. I never lost in three years to a 4-2-2-2 hexagon with 4-5-1V. Not even mentioning a 20% inferior team and by 4-0! I have also beaten teams largely superior that would have destroyed me in solo game. I think the game engine in asso is a much lighter version of the "real" one. It's hugely affected by the presence or not of your fellow asso members when in solo game, the presence of fans has very little impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
the game engine is also different in friendly games.
I remember that had a couple of draws vs teams about 10 levels above - lol
That's why my advice is not be afraid a friend request from a possible rival for that reason (if he arrange a friendly game to test you).
Daniel!
If i'm from Hungary i should playing like this?: Revolutionary Hungarian tactic from '50s
No, i'm playing counterdef 451v and rarely 442ND :)
(ok, ok i understand meaning of your post ... Just kidding! :) )
Good point Nik, I forgot about the friendly engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
As for associations, we all have different experiences in that tournament. I'm in the middle of a 50-3-3 run (you can check my team, and divide total points by total bonuses to confirm if you wish), so i'm not experiencing those strange scores other managers have been reporting in associations. Maybe it's a confirmation bias, who knows... I honestly believe that in higher leagues, we're looking at a most common play-style, across several regions of defense + counters being used, and in my experience tiki-taka tactics usually defeat Park the Bus (been using it against bunkers since our mutual friend Noel helped me establish such a tactic when we were in same association, although I kept screwing up the system at that point). But this could be a confirmation bias, but can't hurt to test ;)
By tiki-taka you mean short passes and 3-4 players in AM*/ST positions? Can you please be more specific?
short passes, i'm use it with 4-5-1v, 4-3n-2w-1, 4-2n-3w-1. I'm guessing it can be done with formation with more than 1 striker, but my strikers have historically not been good until like this month, so I haven't tested it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxcatl
orders are something like normal/flanks/short/off/low/normal/m2m/on. Might change to something like normal/flanks/short/off/high/normal/zonal/off during the match. Sometimes I use attacking mentality instead of normal as well. Generally I try to use short passes if opponent is going defensive. And low press if I think opponent is forcing counters.
