What to do on a bad day? Discussion

Ok so I just fought an evenly matched opponent (3% stronger) and lost 6-1.

My entire DF + GK is rated ~4.5.
My opponent had 2 “strikers” rated 10.

Seeing how poorly my defense was playing I substituted 2 out at half time.
Subs played equally poor.

Same thing happened in my cup final last season where I lost 5-1 against an evenly matched opponent.

Tactics wise, last season I played defensive; this time I tried offense.

So my question is, what can we do in such situations to turn things around?
Any ideas?

In most cases nothing

My third team had a bad day this morning in the CL (me 48% opponent 75%) and no tactics change could help

I was like a pungiball

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Originally Posted by anduincolfer

Ok so I just fought an evenly matched opponent (3% stronger) and lost 6-1.

My entire DF + GK is rated ~4.5.
My opponent had 2 “strikers” rated 10.

Seeing how poorly my defense was playing I substituted 2 out at half time.
Subs played equally poor.

Same thing happened in my cup final last season where I lost 5-1 against an evenly matched opponent.

Tactics wise, last season I played defensive; this time I tried offense.

So my question is, what can we do in such situations to turn things around?
Any ideas?

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Such bad player rating against almost equal team is a reflection of a strong attacking training + highest win bonus of your opponent while you had a normal training + MAYBE your absence during the game and/ or low win bonus ...

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

Such bad player rating against almost equal team is a reflection of a strong attacking training + highest win bonus of your opponent while you had a normal training + MAYBE your absence during the game and/ or low win bonus ...

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Hi USARABAT, thanks for your comments.

I attended the entire game, opponent manager was also present.
As this was my CL QF match, I prepared all I could.

All my training bonuses were +10%, i.e. maxed, condition of all players also 90% and above.
In addition I was on a season high undefeated win streak of 15 matches.

Not sure if the win streak was my undoing, like Mr Troll had to come out and make a mess of it.

Anyone had similar experiences and managed to turn the tables?

well then what about the win bonus , maybe you didn't set it to the max ?

One suggestion even thou it is kinda of a myth but it has some truth in my experience. Never substitute a Defender especially a DC, there is a high chance of conceding a goal after that.

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it. If you do what the engine expects you to, then you can turn it around. Most times adjusting the position of your defenders will do the trick or a change in your orders might work, but just keep changing stuff and keep an eye out for for key stats shots on target and no of saves, if it improves in your favor then stick with that setting.

Most times I'm able to identify this kind of scenario even before I concede the first goal by watching the ratings of my defenders and also paying close attention to the number of shots on target against me and how many of those shots forced my goalie to make a save. If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

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you said " change something" can you give more details /options in the case mentioned above ?

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it. If you do what the engine expects you to, then you can turn it around. Most times adjusting the position of your defenders will do the trick or a change in your orders might work, but just keep changing stuff and keep an eye out for for key stats shots on target and no of saves, if it improves in your favor then stick with that setting.

Most times I'm able to identify this kind of scenario even before I concede the first goal by watching the ratings of my defenders and also paying close attention to the number of shots on target against me and how many of those shots forced my goalie to make a save. If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

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I do change my defender position too but it doesn’t seem to have any effect in such situations. The opponent striker just goes on a rampage and there’s nothing I can do.

Stuff i’ve tried:
1. Shifting my DF to oppo ST position; sometimes change to man-to-man
2. Moving my wing backs closer to centre + add DMC

What Spartan117 said is right. Except for the part about morale, condition and bonuses. All of them have impact, especially obligatory training sessions; you know those "you have to do 2 more trainings" messages? Don't you dare to ignore them =]

Beginning of the game is very important. If you see your opponent has more SoT than you after ~15', then change the formation (without subs if possible) and orders. Change the whole tactics. If you played offensive, then go, for example, for possession with short passes to control midfield; if you played defensive with counter-attacks, go for attack. If you tried to control midfield, go for defense and counter-attacks. This is just examples, I'm not saying "do exactly that" (I know nothing), but you have to do something. There is no guarantee changes will help, but the situation definitely won't resolve by itself. If you just keep watching and clutching at your chest, you are simply going to lose. Do one radical change and wait for at least 15-20 minutes to see the outcome. Don't rush mindlessly from one tactics to another. Be patient and use your brain.
Think before the game what can you change and how to do it. It will save some precious time during the match.

Shots and SoT are the most important parameters that show you how the game is going more accurate than anything else. And if you see you have more SoT and generally doing well, don't change anything! Many times I thought: "Ok, I am attacking, statistics is good, but now I don't need to score more, I just have to hold for the last 15 minutes, so I'm going to play defensively", and it ended with a disaster.

P.S. Going to Home screen and then immediately back to the match refreshes the statistics. Do it often.

Change the game.

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What to do on a bad day?

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Listening that song :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXyRsOQ9Is

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

If you see your opponent has more SoT than you after ~15', then change the formation (without subs if possible) and orders.
Change the whole tactics. There is no guarantee changes will help, but the situation definitely won't resolve by itself.
Do one radical change and wait for at least 15-20 minutes to see the outcome.
Don't rush mindlessly from one tactics to another. Be patient and use your brain. .

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What do you consider a RADICAL change in tactics if you were playing with normal mentality and the rating of most of your team crushed BELOW 6.5 first 15-20 minutes and you receive 1 or two goals ??


A- Change the formation AND/ OR substitute 1-2 players to go for offense
B- Change the mentality from NORMAL to attack or defense or hard attack or hard defense?
C- Change the type of passes
D- Change the intensity of tackles
E- Turn on / off FAST COUNTER ATTACK & OR OFFSIDE


F- A + B
G- A+ C
H - A+ D
I - A+ E

J- A + ( Two more options )

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

What Spartan117 said is right. Except for the part about morale, condition and bonuses. All of them have impact, especially obligatory training sessions; you know those "you have to do 2 more trainings" messages? Don't you dare to ignore them =]

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Actually it has been confirmed to be just cosmetic.

From my experience, condition and morale have little if no impact at all. I've lost some games very badly on full preparation and won some when I totally forgot or had bad preparation.
If it's a bad day there's nothing much you can do. I usually put some more ST and play on attack to make a comeback or cover more the midfield, but it's mostly about how the game generates goals.
More possession = more scoring opportunities, then from that it mostly makes a calculation on how many of these turns out to be goals, maybe out of player's qualities mixed with the rest of the numbers.

If you are losing even with more possession it's likely because of the game compensating the weaker team (perhaps with an absent manager) in order to make it more fair. It turns out to be 1 shot on target = 1 goal.
Not sure how you can overcome that though.

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Originally Posted by anduincolfer

Hi USARABAT, thanks for your comments.

I attended the entire game, opponent manager was also present.
As this was my CL QF match, I prepared all I could.

All my training bonuses were +10%, i.e. maxed, condition of all players also 90% and above.
In addition I was on a season high undefeated win streak of 15 matches.

Not sure if the win streak was my undoing, like Mr Troll had to come out and make a mess of it.

Anyone had similar experiences and managed to turn the tables?

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I find that the long winning streak leads to a troll type result around game 15 to 20. Obviously programmed to increase probability of loss the longer you go undefeated.

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it. If you do what the engine expects you to, then you can turn it around. Most times adjusting the position of your defenders will do the trick or a change in your orders might work, but just keep changing stuff and keep an eye out for for key stats shots on target and no of saves, if it improves in your favor then stick with that setting.

Most times I'm able to identify this kind of scenario even before I concede the first goal by watching the ratings of my defenders and also paying close attention to the number of shots on target against me and how many of those shots forced my goalie to make a save. If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

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I call these scenarios Troll Challenge. Like a game of rock paper scissors game expects attending manager to find the magic orders to overcome the challenge. Occasionally I will get a brick wall troll. Where no matter what you do and even if the match lasted 24 hours I would never score!

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

What do you consider a RADICAL change in tactics if you were playing with normal mentality and the rating of most of your team crushed BELOW 6.5 first 15-20 minutes and you receive 1 or two goals ??


A- Change the formation AND/ OR substitute 1-2 players to go for offense
B- Change the mentality from NORMAL to attack or defense or hard attack or hard defense?
C- Change the type of passes
D- Change the intensity of tackles
E- Turn on / off FAST COUNTER ATTACK & OR OFFSIDE


F- A + B
G- A+ C
H - A+ D
I - A+ E

J- A + ( Two more options )

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The answer is yes.

Thanks guys, appreciate your suggestions.
I never really noticed SOT in first 15 mins so i'll add that to my watchlist.

I do agree that there's no one solution to this since the game's dynamic but just wanted to hear what you might have done over your T11 career.

Also it seems at least for me (& some confirmed it), Mr Troll likes to strike around match 15 of an unbeaten run.
So must pay attention during such streaks and expect such results.

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it.

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Indeed, here is one of my team, whole season I might visit 4/5 times, do some training, buy players if needed and here how the team did this season:

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Trolling Nord doing for their (dev or behind the screen) own fun :rolleyes:

Do you think one of my club dum to lost 0:7 against same q but +1 lvl club/manager then return game won 2:0. Here is another one, my main club lost 0:1 then won 1:3.

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You can find tons of stories like that, Nord saying:

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I said "Be a dump dummy football manager".

So what we can do, come to forum, protest against troll and request them (nord) to let us play normal and not make us dummy manager.

There is nothing you can do when you have a bad day and I have the perfect example . I only had one strong opponent this season . The same team in all 3 competitions . My team was about 5% percent higher rated . In the league I won 3-0 and drew 4-4 . In CL , we were paired in the semifinal . I used the same tactics and lost the first game 5-1 . His goalkeeper had 10 saves . I had 12 shots on target he only had 7 , and 5 of them were goals . After this match we had the cup final , same tactics and formations . I won easily 4-2 . Then we had the second game of CL semifinal . I won by 1-0 , I got a red card in min 2 , although I didn't use hard tackling . So I think the engine wanted both of us to be happy somehow .