What to do on a bad day? Discussion

[anduincolfer]

Ok so I just fought an evenly matched opponent (3% stronger) and lost 6-1.

My entire DF + GK is rated ~4.5.
My opponent had 2 “strikers” rated 10.

Seeing how poorly my defense was playing I substituted 2 out at half time.
Subs played equally poor.

Same thing happened in my cup final last season where I lost 5-1 against an evenly matched opponent.

Tactics wise, last season I played defensive; this time I tried offense.

So my question is, what can we do in such situations to turn things around?
Any ideas?

[Javert89]

In most cases nothing

My third team had a bad day this morning in the CL (me 48% opponent 75%) and no tactics change could help

I was like a pungiball

[USARABAT]

Ok so I just fought an evenly matched opponent (3% stronger) and lost 6-1.

My entire DF + GK is rated ~4.5.
My opponent had 2 “strikers” rated 10.

Seeing how poorly my defense was playing I substituted 2 out at half time.
Subs played equally poor.

Same thing happened in my cup final last season where I lost 5-1 against an evenly matched opponent.

Tactics wise, last season I played defensive; this time I tried offense.

So my question is, what can we do in such situations to turn things around?
Any ideas?

Such bad player rating against almost equal team is a reflection of a strong attacking training + highest win bonus of your opponent while you had a normal training + MAYBE your absence during the game and/ or low win bonus ...

[anduincolfer]

Such bad player rating against almost equal team is a reflection of a strong attacking training + highest win bonus of your opponent while you had a normal training + MAYBE your absence during the game and/ or low win bonus ...

Hi USARABAT, thanks for your comments.

I attended the entire game, opponent manager was also present.
As this was my CL QF match, I prepared all I could.

All my training bonuses were +10%, i.e. maxed, condition of all players also 90% and above.
In addition I was on a season high undefeated win streak of 15 matches.

Not sure if the win streak was my undoing, like Mr Troll had to come out and make a mess of it.

Anyone had similar experiences and managed to turn the tables?

[USARABAT]

well then what about the win bonus , maybe you didn't set it to the max ?

[KenoticFC]

One suggestion even thou it is kinda of a myth but it has some truth in my experience. Never substitute a Defender especially a DC, there is a high chance of conceding a goal after that.

[Spartan117]

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it. If you do what the engine expects you to, then you can turn it around. Most times adjusting the position of your defenders will do the trick or a change in your orders might work, but just keep changing stuff and keep an eye out for for key stats shots on target and no of saves, if it improves in your favor then stick with that setting.

Most times I'm able to identify this kind of scenario even before I concede the first goal by watching the ratings of my defenders and also paying close attention to the number of shots on target against me and how many of those shots forced my goalie to make a save. If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

[USARABAT]

If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

you said " change something" can you give more details /options in the case mentioned above ?

[anduincolfer]

The truth is that it has nothing to do with morale, condition, and certainly not win bonus or training bonus. The game engine creates these scenarios sometimes and expects you to react to it. If you do what the engine expects you to, then you can turn it around. Most times adjusting the position of your defenders will do the trick or a change in your orders might work, but just keep changing stuff and keep an eye out for for key stats shots on target and no of saves, if it improves in your favor then stick with that setting.

Most times I'm able to identify this kind of scenario even before I concede the first goal by watching the ratings of my defenders and also paying close attention to the number of shots on target against me and how many of those shots forced my goalie to make a save. If ten minutes into the match I see the opponent has 6 shots with 5 on target and I have 5 with 0 on target then I know I need to change something because if I don't I'll concede a lot of goals with that setting. Take this from someone who has only lost twice in the past 4 seasons.

I do change my defender position too but it doesn’t seem to have any effect in such situations. The opponent striker just goes on a rampage and there’s nothing I can do.

Stuff i’ve tried:
1. Shifting my DF to oppo ST position; sometimes change to man-to-man
2. Moving my wing backs closer to centre + add DMC

[Toxcatl]

What Spartan117 said is right. Except for the part about morale, condition and bonuses. All of them have impact, especially obligatory training sessions; you know those "you have to do 2 more trainings" messages? Don't you dare to ignore them =]

Beginning of the game is very important. If you see your opponent has more SoT than you after ~15', then change the formation (without subs if possible) and orders. Change the whole tactics. If you played offensive, then go, for example, for possession with short passes to control midfield; if you played defensive with counter-attacks, go for attack. If you tried to control midfield, go for defense and counter-attacks. This is just examples, I'm not saying "do exactly that" (I know nothing), but you have to do something. There is no guarantee changes will help, but the situation definitely won't resolve by itself. If you just keep watching and clutching at your chest, you are simply going to lose. Do one radical change and wait for at least 15-20 minutes to see the outcome. Don't rush mindlessly from one tactics to another. Be patient and use your brain.
Think before the game what can you change and how to do it. It will save some precious time during the match.

Shots and SoT are the most important parameters that show you how the game is going more accurate than anything else. And if you see you have more SoT and generally doing well, don't change anything! Many times I thought: "Ok, I am attacking, statistics is good, but now I don't need to score more, I just have to hold for the last 15 minutes, so I'm going to play defensively", and it ended with a disaster.

P.S. Going to Home screen and then immediately back to the match refreshes the statistics. Do it often.