Can a 3-defender-formation be successful when op AML/AMR players exist?

Hi fellow managers,

for the next season I am thinking about switching things up.
I'm level 47 right now and for the majority of my topeleven career I played with the 4-5-1 V-style, which is, in my opinion, the all around best formation in this game. You have players all over the field and of course the totally overpowered AML and AMR players, that score a lot of goals.

Granted, last season I got bored of this formation and I wanted to try something new. I switched over to a 4-3-1-2 and played one of the worst seasons of my entire career. Despite having the second best team, regarding quality, in the league, I will finish in 7th to 9th place today. (With 3 dead teams in my league as well lol)

Now I'm thinking about switching to a 3-defender-formation, because 2 players of my back-4 need to be swapped for new young talent next season and my best players are my 2 ST's (one of them ST/AML), my ML, my GK and one DC/DMC. (I assume that I will get promoted when I finish 9th as well,regardless, I want to hear your opinion on the topic)

So I'm planning to play a 3-1-4-2 (DC-DC-DC_DMC_ML-MC-MC-MR_ST-ST) or a 3-4-1-2 (DC-DC-DC_ML-MC-MC-MR_AMC_ST-ST)... But I'm scared of opponents, who use the 4-5-1 V or similar formations with AMR/AML players, because my wings are almost not defended with this formation.

I would really like to hear some opinions and experiences from players, who played with a back-3 in this game. What settings did you use? Were you struggling against AML/AMR formations a lot? Or were you winning everything? :D

Cheers!

I am at a lot lower level than you ( 13 ). I have 5 teams who all use the same formation and tactics. Now as a manager I am still in the learning phase so some season results have been affected as I tinker and learn. Now this season it seems to be coming together properly as far as I can tell. My 5 teams have just finished the season for 2 league champions ( both lost just 2 matches and were around +60 for goals) , 2 finished runners up ( having lost 3 matches for 1 team and 2 matches for the other both also +55-60 for goals ) and 1 team finished third but only 3 points from league champions ( 3 losses and + 50 goals) but won the supercup.
I use 2 different but similar formations , one a little more defensive than the other. I use a 3-1-3-1-2 system ( DL.DC.DR -DMC-ML MC MR- AMC -ST ST) with a more attacking option of replacing the ML and MR with AML AMR. I am finding my defensive setup is reasonably hard to score against , average over the 5 teams this season is just 0.65 goals a match. I find this system is able to break down teams with back 4 and no DMC almost at will , my AM's are all decently quick ( not mutant fast ) with my DMC and MC both skilled playmakers I can exploit that space between the back 4 and midfield very effectively.
I did experiment with 3 DC's but found anyone who plays wide can get in behind you and use the time and space out wide to create havoc. Since I reverted back to DL.DC.DR that threat has been limited.

I am as I say only level 13 so most probably my system has not been truly tested against mutant type AM's except with the possibility of a few in ASSO's where the 5 teams are in GOLD1 but even there the teams are highly competitive and we will finish this season ( our 1st in GOLD1) inside the top 20 and pretty comfortable at , I would guess , about 1275 points ( currently 8 - 8 in the last final for this season.
I am going to experiment again next season with just 1 ST with maybe an extra MC or AMC , I dont know how that will go but you got to try things to find out.

It is likely managers with more experience than I will have a different outlook on this and maybe they can see the pitfalls in what I am doing but all I can tell you is what my limited experience has shown me. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

I think after all the experiments you will return to V style again. In the scheme of three defenders, DL-DC-DR-DMC-2MC-ML-MR-2ST shows itself very well. One change of DMC to AMC, if necessary, change the style of your team. and vice versa.

i'm on level 47. i've played dc-dc-dc-dmc-mc-mc-aml-amr-st-st formation for (at least) the past 20 seasons (*changed the other st for amc 2 or 3 seasons ago.) i've won the league 26 seasons in a row now. not sure if the formation matters all that much.

i've mostly used defensive mentality, a few seasons normal. mixed passing down both flanks (*mixed with amc.) low pressing, zonal, offside trap... nothing exciting.

This is the formation ive had the best success with in my limited experience

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The 2 outside defenders are DL and DR and both can play wing also and they make plenty of forward runs. Equally good with normal or attacking pressure and mixed and short passing, high press with off side trap on.

I tried the same formation and tactics in a match against a decent team but i swapped out my 1st team for reserves so was roughly 20% - 30% weaker than them and i won 2-0 and murdered them all match with possecion and chances.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by Asertyuiop111

This is the formation ive had the best success with in my limited experience

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The 2 outside defenders are DL and DR and both can play wing also and they make plenty of forward runs. Equally good with normal or attacking pressure and mixed and short passing, high press with off side trap on.

I tried the same formation and tactics in a match against a decent team but i swapped out my 1st team for reserves so was roughly 20% - 30% weaker than them and i won 2-0 and murdered them all match with possecion and chances.

Good luck

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trust me, there is no single formation that can win against any formation,

and you won against the stronger team by using this formation is because you was use it with correct tactic and you was hit the weak spot of your opponent,
nicely done there,

and this formation got less defender and very effective with ON offside trap like you did.

but i know how to counter this formation anyway, because i also was faced against this formation many time before and won

I know adifairus but was just giving the op an opinion

So it looks like my experimentation has almost led me to a popular formation. Good to know I was already on the right track anyway.

Played the last season with this formation (because I happened to have just one MC), sometimes switching to DL-DC-DR;DM;ML-MC-MR;AML-AMR;ST:
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Almost won a treble but lost CL final as I couldn't attend the match:
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With my forward players dominaiting top players charts, although most of the top 8 teams quality was higher than mine:
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My MLs and MRs covered for full-backs so I haven't had big problems with other teams wingers, letting in only 13 goals in the league.

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Hi fellow managers,

for the next season I am thinking about switching things up.
I'm level 47 right now and for the majority of my topeleven career I played with the 4-5-1 V-style, which is, in my opinion, the all around best formation in this game. You have players all over the field and of course the totally overpowered AML and AMR players, that score a lot of goals.

Granted, last season I got bored of this formation and I wanted to try something new. I switched over to a 4-3-1-2 and played one of the worst seasons of my entire career. Despite having the second best team, regarding quality, in the league, I will finish in 7th to 9th place today. (With 3 dead teams in my league as well lol)

Now I'm thinking about switching to a 3-defender-formation, because 2 players of my back-4 need to be swapped for new young talent next season and my best players are my 2 ST's (one of them ST/AML), my ML, my GK and one DC/DMC. (I assume that I will get promoted when I finish 9th as well,regardless, I want to hear your opinion on the topic)

So I'm planning to play a 3-1-4-2 (DC-DC-DC_DMC_ML-MC-MC-MR_ST-ST) or a 3-4-1-2 (DC-DC-DC_ML-MC-MC-MR_AMC_ST-ST)... But I'm scared of opponents, who use the 4-5-1 V or similar formations with AMR/AML players, because my wings are almost not defended with this formation.

I would really like to hear some opinions and experiences from players, who played with a back-3 in this game. What settings did you use? Were you struggling against AML/AMR formations a lot? Or were you winning everything? :D

Cheers!

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In my knowledge using a 3-1-4-2 tactic you will have to go for a wing play with an attacking stile and long passes as a wing play combines better with long passes for that you will need a good aerial strikers also your ML and MR have to have the next attributes at the highest level possible ( speed, crossing, dribbling and creativity ) also will be great if they will play as DL and DR positions it will help them to do a good job when defending.
When used this tactic ( 3-1-4-2 ) you have to set up that arrows to indicate to you ML and MR to go back on defence and to advance on attack what means they have to do the full wing.
If you follow football you need to watch Antonio Contes strategy with this tactic as he used a lot while Coach of Juventus and later on at Chelsea.
About your MC they need a high creativity, physically strong and a good pass percentage.
Your DMC player have to be very quick to help your DC on defence and with a high tackle percentage.
What about you DC would be good to have some really quick ones as physically strong and aerial game. If you have this attributes you can have a Fun season.
With this tactic you also can use next settings; Normal attacking style on a mixed style of passes with a low pressure with a normal tackle style and enabled counter-attack style all this for first half to keep possession of the ball and to exhaust your opponent players.
For second half go for an attacking style with long passes, high pressure and an aggressive tackle.
Will attach a screen shot of the formation I use

Hope could help you a bit

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Originally Posted by SHNM

I think after all the experiments you will return to V style again. In the scheme of three defenders, DL-DC-DR-DMC-2MC-ML-MR-2ST shows itself very well. One change of DMC to AMC, if necessary, change the style of your team. and vice versa.

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I use this same style and usually switch to AMC and only go for DMC only when the opponent has an AMC, but when the AMC is weak of his DMC is weak I stick to having an AMC instead.

I also play a DC-DC-DC and almost never lose except for those troll results lol

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Originally Posted by SHNM

I think after all the experiments you will return to V style again. In the scheme of three defenders, DL-DC-DR-DMC-2MC-ML-MR-2ST shows itself very well. One change of DMC to AMC, if necessary, change the style of your team. and vice versa.

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Now that this thread is up again, I'm back to 4-5-1 V. Its just the best, there is nothing you can say against it. I played with a 3-2-3-1-1 for about 2 seasons and I did decent, than I also tried a 4-1-3-1-1, but with V style my wingers are scoring left and right and I win far more games than with the other formations.

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Now that this thread is up again, I'm back to 4-5-1 V. Its just the best, there is nothing you can say against it. I played with a 3-2-3-1-1 for about 2 seasons and I did decent, than I also tried a 4-1-3-1-1, but with V style my wingers are scoring left and right and I win far more games than with the other formations.

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I almost always beat 4-5-1 V
hard attacking , short passes on the wings,pressing low using 3DC-2MC-ML-MR-AMC-2ST

my ML and MR usually just on the line to AMR AML or just simply AML AMR
still wins

I guess thats its achilles heel

OP-On the whole, this formation has been fantastic for me until I play someone great with a heavily concentrated attack line and il switch the AMC for a 4th defender and play a back 4. My partner has gone a season undefeated and had a 100% 26/26 league wins in the last few seasons until she stopped spectating as much and I couldn’t do it for her while at work. With the usual time taken to maintain max training bonus each day and managing your team through matches, it’s superb. Won me the IC cup twice and hoping to complete the set in the 3rd.

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Sorry, that is actually to accommodate my best IC player who s MR. Play MR and ML as AML and AMR and I feel it improves the formation as top eleven seems to have a thing for these guys getting all the goals. I have an AML who has finished top scorer in league 4 seasons on the bounce. He has 197 goals in 149 league games for me playing in that formation.
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OP-On the whole, this formation has been fantastic for me until I play someone great with a heavily concentrated attack line and il switch the AMC for a 4th defender and play a back 4. My partner has gone a season undefeated and had a 100% 26/26 league wins in the last few seasons until she stopped spectating as much and I couldn’t do it for her while at work. With the usual time taken to maintain max training bonus each day and managing your team through matches, it’s superb. Won me the IC cup twice and hoping to complete the set in the 3rd.

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Which tactics did you use with it?

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Which tactics did you use with it?

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The one shown in the picture, but in my usual club team I play the MR and ML as an AMR and AML as they score loads. Only reason I played MR and ML at IC was because the first player (best) that they give you was an MR.




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The one shown in the picture, but in my usual club team I play the MR and ML as an AMR and AML as they score loads. Only reason I played MR and ML at IC was because the first player (best) that they give you was an MR.




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he meant the tactic, you posted the formation

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The one shown in the picture, but in my usual club team I play the MR and ML as an AMR and AML as they score loads. Only reason I played MR and ML at IC was because the first player (best) that they give you was an MR.




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Tactics?

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I find myself using 3DC more and more, and find it very effective for both the 3x ST or AML/(C)/R + ST attacks more often used nowadays. For wing players I add DL/DR in the DML/R positions, for more central attacking formations (Narrow Diamond, et al) I add a DMC.

More often than not, I am playing 3DC-DML/R-2MC-AML/R-ST Butterfly formation, I can usually overcome a 4-5-1V by using Butterfly and playing through the middle (!). 4-3-3 and 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond are countered using 3DC-DMC-3MC-AML/R-ST, again a 3DC formation. I have a MC/AMC and he will be pushed up to AMC if I need to play a more offensive formation to put a weak opponent to the sword or rescue a losing situation.