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First, I start with a question. How important are the Fitness stats?
My defensive players have pretty good avg but I haven't trained them in Fitness.
Then I need your advice regarding buying a player. The player on the left is the one to be bought and the one on the right is my current player.
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If your current player is performing I will suggest you keep him because it's difficult to find reliable defenders. If he's not discard him and get the younger player
Not this late in the season
I agree with Bunzo , way too late in the season to buy players - you have maybe 4 or 5 games left if your in the CL/SL final so its a bit of a waste of time/money/ resources.
However your player de Costa would never get into my teams as he is. Far too slow for an outside defender ( remember he will be up against AML/R type players and most of them are trained to be fast. Speed kills in my mind and I wont have a player under 80 - 100 speed in my team in any position to start with , then I will train them to be faster. Also I find fitness relatively important for recovery from games which is important when you have 2-3 matches in a day.
I will sacrifice a little bit of attack/defence skills for superior physical/mental attributes early in development and then later once the P/M skills are to a decent standard I will extend the A/D attributes some more. It is a balancing act to be sure. I know some will say dont waste time and effort on gray skills , only train white , but what I am finding is that well rounded players are at least the equal to the few mutants I have seen and in most cases ( unless the mutant is high in fitness) will finish the game off more strongly than the mutant so the last 30 mins of a game are usually mine to control against tired opponents.
fullback need speed,
high fitness will make your player can perform well in 90 minutes with high pressing and man-to-man marking that usually drained your player fast.
Thanks for your thoughts and advises. I won't be getting now as it is a bit late in the season and I started training them also in Physical and Mental.
how detailed is this observation, can you make a relationQuote:
Originally Posted by John Grant
more fitness = faster recovery
or is it more complex, as in are there other factors that influence that?
Its detailed enough of an observation from 15 seasons x 5 teams , so 75 seasons in effect is the sample. It is just an observation I have made about fitness relative to player drain during games and there seems to be a small bonus when training ie a 15% training session might only reduce the player by 14 or 13% , maybe more depending on what was in the 15% training session.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
right, so it's not about recovery as you said firstQuote:
Originally Posted by John Grant
now it's about "drain"?
can you please give same drill to players with large difference in fitness and try that several rounds - i, with my only team and on my low level can not replicate your results. players of same age and position, one with 190, other with 38 fitness have (on average, after enough repetitions) same loss of condition. and they recover at same rate. must be something I'm doing wrong.
correction:
just did test, (and not the first time)
drill set GK, GK, GK, GK, GK, PGS (-16.5)
on 2 players: player A is AMR with 189 fitness. B is AMC with 32. both 18yo.
got them up on 99 condition before test.
after 4 repetitions
A was at 28, loss of 71
B was at 34, loss of 65
got them back to 99, another 4 rounds
A-31
B-29
seems to be averaging, right? up to 99, and another 4x of same set
A-29
B-29
interesting... up to only 89 this time, and last 2 repetitions was a shock:
A- 61
B- 71
test aborted due to lack of time and greens.
but if anything, player A with 6 times more fitness was having greater condition loss.
I will not jump in conclusions why is that, but there is no obvious conection between fitness skill and condition loss or speed of recovery (which is fixed, unfortunately)
No, it's not. Players recover 6% every 3 hours regardless of their Fitness. Fitness doesn't affect Condition loss during the game either (I have tested). In fact, there's no evidence that it affects anything at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Grant
he has played 75 seasons, what do you know
Skills of defenders are cosmetic
(there aren't good defenders, only good defense)
I know that Fitness doesn't affect Condition loss -- I have done carefully prepared testing. You can find it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasha m
In short: I played a couple dozens of games against the same team to compare three very similar players with different Fitness to each other.
I have never cared to post the result, but it was a big fat zero. No correlation between Fitness and Condition loss in games, or it is tiny. Definitely less than anyone can noticed without having statistics.
I know how seriously you examine things like that. my remark was not pointed at you, sad you don't get that.
Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but it doesnt correlate with my own experience. Agree to disagree and move on , to be honest I find it tedious to even try to argue with you KW's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxcatl
Just as an aside...........defenders skills/attributes are cosmetic so all players must be in the same situation , on other threads I have seen it said that , morale , formation , team orders etc..............basically everything doesnt matter in this game. I have even seen it suggested that the results across a season are pre ordained and therefore nothing we do as managers makes any difference at all. So what is left ? pure luck and circumstance ?
I refuse to believe this is the case.
Also can Nik please explain that if skills/ attributes dont matter and formations dont matter (as suggested on another thread) how does the comment.........there are no good defenders , just good defence......even become possible ?
just post your experience, show us that players who drain (lol) slower and recover fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by John Grant
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no, i don't
