Players with 340% + 1% skills. Mutants or well trained ?

Ok, let's start with what we all agree.
- Players with 1500% fitness and 1% shooting are definitely "mutants"
- Players with 340% white and 1% grey skills, 18 y.o. are created by abusing the system and we don't agree with that.

But players 340%-1%, with 99% quality, are so capable in asso games why ?
Because they have high white/useful for their position skills or because it's some kind of glitch (as the first mutants) and the mechanics understand them as some higher q players ?

How a team with players 340%-1%, 99% quality, performs vs a 130% team ?
Why?

How can a ST with 1% in Fitness and Aggression can be such a great scorer ?
How can a AML/R who are the most successful players in game, perform so good with 1 % in Strength and Aggression ?
How can a DC with 1% Speed, stop oppo attackers ?

Is it a glitch or the mechanics just ignore the grey skills ?
Are they mutants next-gen or well trained players ?

The developers should answer your questions :)

Post this in feedback/suggestions

Are Ronaldo / Messi / Mohamad Salah and some others comparing to the other football players in the world mutants or super stars ??


Should FIFA stop allowing RONALDO / MESSI / MOHAMAD SALAH from playing football because they score too much and make many GK and defenders and FANS cry ?

Should FIFA put restrictions on successful managers to make other teams feel that the game is fair ??

Poll : Who is mutant ?

1- Messi ( high attacking attributes ; very low in marking - heading - tackling - bravery - and body strength ) <<<<<< T.E. new train system , we should stop this kind

2- Ronaldo High attacking - High physical - High Defensive attributes) <<<<<< TE wants managers to train their players like this

3- Both of them <<<<<<<<<<<<< in terms of scoring effectiveness and creating fear at the opponent

These are some of my players, are these mutants ?

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Originally Posted by IImaestroII

These are some of my players, are these mutants ?

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Not even close =]

Seriously this game is being ruined by people with lack or have no knowledge how they should train their player.
All they do is whine and complained when they got beaten by someone slightly smarter(loser).
Mutant to me is no way cheating unless upselling. I have you may call semi mutant and some going mutant with age. Buy a 3* at 18yo and trained only on white skill. All of this take thousand of green to trained. And all the effort kill by some people with lack of knowledge who only know how to whine and cry(Pathetic).
Like USARABAT say Messi/Ronaldo dont need a defence skill all they do is score. Mutant player is more realistic then Nordeus want us to train our player.
They change the training system for the sake of fair play "Bull****". So tanking and manupulation is fair play? Those topic are being a subject for ages nothing being done?????
For those who complained and not happy with mutant eating your team up well done "small brain people".

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

Are Ronaldo / Messi / Mohamad Salah and some others comparing to the other football players in the world mutants or super stars ??

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can you imagine a player like Ronaldo in TE with 1 % in Strength and Aggression ?
or Segio Ramos with 1% Speed ?
:p

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

can you imagine a player like Ronaldo in TE with 1 % in Strength and Aggression ?
or Segio Ramos with 1% Speed ?
:p

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Hey ! It is not our fault if nordeus put in dark grey the speed skill for DC ...

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

Are Ronaldo / Messi / Mohamad Salah and some others comparing to the other football players in the world mutants or super stars ??


Should FIFA stop allowing RONALDO / MESSI / MOHAMAD SALAH from playing football because they score too much and make many GK and defenders and FANS cry ?

Should FIFA put restrictions on successful managers to make other teams feel that the game is fair ??

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That's rediculus really...
Does Messi has 1% marking ability compare to his finishing?
Does Messi participate in Piggy training session or only at Pass Go?
The mutants are mutants..
@IImaestroII players are not mutants...its simple.

Here is a well trained player ! Definitly not a " mutant " despite of the team's name lol

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Originally Posted by Kaizer Franz

Here is a well trained player ! Definitly not a " mutant " despite of the team's name lol

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lol the team name :D

He is the lord of mutants Kaizer lol

Take somebody like Inzaghi, he had 1% strength and 1000% finishing and heading lol.

Joking apart, once we knew about the 340% skill cap we paid attention. White skills were worth training to the max. (Am I right in thinking) that grey skills at 1% actually have a negative value? So that a 1% player in a team that levels up actually registers as a -20 player in the engines calculations? Hence manipulators having 1 star players.
Back to training. This update seems designed to force us to level out a players skills. Grey skills that gain more than a players useful skills? So as Jeeves said, players who can play more than one position will become worth their weight in gold, literally. DL/ML/AML, MC/AMC/ST, DC/MC/AMC, but how often do these players turn up on auction or in negotiations. And when they do, what are the chances that they'll be 18 years old? And then, they will of course cost their weight in gold.
We can of course give players extra positions...........at the cost of rest packs.
So as expected it's another win/win for Nordeus we spend more tokens to buy players or we spend more rest packs to train players.
Clever little Devs aren't they?

@usarabat having below <1% and having low marking is two different things.
A player with 20-30% marking is not a mutant...plz continue to entertain us :o.

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Originally Posted by Kaizer Franz

Hey ! It is not our fault if nordeus put in dark grey the speed skill for DC ...

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I don't blame anyone (except the cases of up-selling) .
I 'm just asking for answers as I don't have a team like this and never happen to face one.
btw, your player has high q anyway. I 'm more interesting for 5* 340+1 players.

@ HairDryer
I 've read your statement in another thread, ok.
Can you give some answer or hint or guess in my questions ?


@ USARABAT

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The developers should answer your questions

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You mean a dev would come and answer :
Yes, the game mechanics recognize players with some 340% skills as 9* players so they perform like that ?
lol, more possible to see a UFO in my roof :p

@IImaestroII no, as Toxcatl said, not even close.
I 'm talking about the players @ lalexrus (from here https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...ilities-9.html )
has.
He is in 12th top100 asso groups (which is also "connected" with the other Russian, no1 with 340+1% 5* players ).

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Originally Posted by Kaizer Franz

Here is a well trained player ! Definitly not a " mutant " despite of the team's name lol

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Any player who has 8 light skills will have 340 in 8 skills in about 7 seasons from 18 years (to 25 years). However, in this case, you will then have to train only 8 skills. this is not realistic for positions such as MC or DMC, and also because of the available exercises (when there are simply no exercises that do not affect the gray skills). so the big question is what kind of average rating will this player have - for 8 skills (like you) - it's about 120-140. the only difference with a similar training through farms (which some participants in the forum and nordeus is not fair) is the average rating - since it is possible to train the player not through 7 levels (which is equivalent to 7 seasons), but more - for example, when training through 13 levels, the player's rating will be about 94 (for DC with all light skills at 340 and gray skills - 1). After calculating the effective rating and comparing it with the overall rating of the player, you can find out how much the gray skill has gone to the minus.

so what do you think @lalexrus (about my #1 questions ?)
is it a glitch or mechanics don't count at all white skills ?

Did you ever play with 7* teams ?
How your players performed ?

about @what is mutant player@

to begin with it is necessary to understand - this is a game and not real football and there will never be complete similarity. but with regards to Messi Ronaldo and others - if UEFA acted like Nordeus, then if Messi starts scoring with every penalty, then UEFA must break his leg :o

the first category of mutants (as noted above) are the players of the "Vietnamese style of training" - 2 skills of psychophysics are very high (340 or higher, depending on when he was trained). With these players, there are problems - they are unstable playing in official matches (league for example). In tournament associations are normal. I tested this player (450 fitness and 450 speed, other light ones - 100, not a farmer player) - in general, the maximum from him can be obtained only in associations. This style seems to me very wrong - in fact, a player without hands or legs, sometimes no head - a natural mutant.

The next version that nordeus actually officially called a mutant is that the players are trained through farms. in this case, train all light skills and do not train gray. depending on the size of the farm (the number of levels of the difference between the lowest and the highest team), a different number of light skills can be trained - usually a minimum of 8. These players can in my opinion be called mutants with great stretch and only because this the player became trained for example at 18 and not at 25 as it should have been and has a rating lower than he should. Otherwise, these are the usual workouts, and I would not say that it's easier than training ordinary players in ordinary teams - just imagine that the player needs to be trained 6-7 times to get it the way you see it. Naturally, these players play perfectly in all matches.

The third version of the mutants are regular team players, with high light skills, sometimes with 1 in gray skills (depending on age). To mutants they can be attributed only on the basis of the fact that Nordeus having changed the training scheme actually took them to this category. Look at the screen - it's a player from my non-farm team. the plans for it were quite large - in the next season, for example, to bring all the skills to the state in the picture, and skills less than 100 - to bring the minimum to 100 (or better 120). We can say that this is a "Vietnamese style" - maybe, but I did not plan so - accordingly the basic skills for this position are trained at 200. And now it's not destiny - it will be blown out after several seasons thanks to Nordeus)
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The fourth version of the mutants - the players of which Nordeus does not consider mutants, but they actually are - they are simply not real at all. First of all, these are the players that are available on the offer - you probably saw screens where players are offered on 1200-1300 tokens (of course there were more but I did not see it). The second option of such a player is a loss in the league for many seasons in a row and free training all these seasons (the problem is that any skills do not decrease by 20%).

It seems to me that all these disputes are a product of managers who are surprised "why I lost - I have a higher rating" and they do not bother with training, they do not train bonuses (team and associations). Well, it's over in these complaints there is always a huge amount of lies - when the association with dead teams gets on another of the top 100 and loses, complains - but in fact these are people who manipulate the ratings of the teams - they overdid say - but they are in support of Nordeus Do not report. Yes, farming teams almost always win (of course, if they have a difference of 6-7 levels), but even the usual team to win them is quite realistic that I repeatedly did. To do this, you need to have a team with high light skills.

The performing of 1st gen mutants with 1500 fitness and 1% shooting , was definitely a glitch.

My main question is if the performing (5* q, playing as a higher q) of the 2nd gen "mutants", with 340% +1% grey skills, is a glitch or not.

If it's a glitch, then nord-devs did right with this update (let's leave out the communication thing, where they first made the implement and then worn the managers - this was wrong at any point of view).
That means the training system has a "hole" and the devs must fix it (or start working for a new developing system) and explain to managers how it works.

If it's not a glitch but it's a result of "good" and "smart" training, then it was wrong their action and they should prevent only the matter of up-selling and creating 18 y.o. players with those skills.

Also they should explain what is the role of "white" skills in game mechanics and with what logic a ST can perform so good with 1% fitness (or a DC with 1% Speed vs a normal 140% Speed of oppo attackers).

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

so what do you think @lalexrus (about my #1 questions ?)
is it a glitch or mechanics don't count at all white skills ?

Did you ever play with 7* teams ?
How your players performed ?

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Unfortunately it's hard to say - we do not take the internal algorithms of the game, and different for official tournaments and associations. However, there is such an observation - a player of an ordinary team of 18 years old 3 * trained to 140% plays extremely unstable for years to 20. With each season, his strength only increases, from training - each season can be more trained and gray skills are reduced. all this can be seen in the form of a player's overall rating. Are there any hidden parameters of the player - "experience" (for example) we can not know. but the fact that a player with the same light skills (at 18 and 22 years) at 22 years will play better than 18 years is a fact. For farmer same players, this jump in several seasons occurs in the process of training and selling to the upper levels. Well, you have to understand - in the associations of other game mechanics - for example, in bringing players of different levels to one conditional level and realizing the very opportunity to play. Hence the difference in the game in the league and in associations.

As for the game with the 7 * teams - the simplest example is a tour (Spanish for example), which is won without manipulating the rating (when several players 5-6* are sold, the team's rating is understated and only then the tour is played). In the associations of problems with such (7 *) teams I did not even have when there were no farms - nevertheless high light skills are being decided. But in the league, cup and league of champions theoretically there can be heavy matches - but I do not see any special problems from this.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

If it's a glitch, then nord-devs did right with this update (let's leave out the communication thing, where they first made the implement and then worn the managers - this was wrong at any point of view).
That means the training system has a "hole" and the devs must fix it (or start working for a new developing system) and explain to managers how it works.

If it's not a glitch but it's a result of "good" and "smart" training, then it was wrong their action and they should prevent only the matter of up-selling and creating 18 y.o. players with those skills.

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let's put it all in place
1) there is a system of training
2) there is a system of buying and selling players between the levels

on the first point - the training system with a limit of 340 for skill - worked and allowed absolutely all managers to train players from 3 * and until the moment the manager will not stop or will not reach 340 in any skill.
on the second point - the mechanism for buying and selling players between the levels was and is now - no absolute change

what a farm is - the consistent implementation of points 1 and 2.

proceeding from this - point 1 of none of the managers was not violated.
Also, I did not find a single point in the rules that would directly indicate that the repetition of the sequence of points 1 and 2 is illegal (not fair).

now as for the solution of the problem by the developers of Nordeus: on the first point - the developers of Nordeus simply introduced other restrictions on training and now training more than certain steps (for example 60 80 100 120 as a skill) increases the cost of training (the number of green rests that you need to spend to restore the condition). This restriction work for all manager!
What will happen in the end - after a few seasons (approximately from 6 to 10) players (with trained skills) of more than 120-130 will disappear altogether. In fact, taking into account the costs, this means that all teams will be brought to approximately one rating, in parallel - it is almost impossible to buy players at auction, scout hunting will begin, and yes - at last Nordeus's century-old dream will come true - donators will buy tokens and win matches.
On the second point - Nordeus did nothing whatsoever you want, and it can be called a good solution only from the point of view of Nordeus's income. It is unjustified by any other considerations to decide on changing the training scheme. And even more so does not kill this decision of the farm - unless the cost of the player from the farm will increase to 2-5 thousand green rests at each stage of the farm (and it will not be profitable to make the whole team through the farm,but you can be limited to 1-2 players in 5-10 seasons). In fact, we would be happy if just disconnected negotiations - this is a simple and elegant solution. And so, in fact, Nordeus has only to completely remove the training from the game.

Chris, I only meant that we shouldn't mix apples with oranges (or any other fruit, lol). Mutants were the ones with skills at thousands of %, so it's not a good idea to call players with skills at 300% mutants as well. Maybe we should think of a different name for them, so it will not confuse us and Nordeus. ;)

Absolutely nothing wrong with the training system the only different is how you train your player to be. The only problem is upselling and the biggest problem is those without knowledge of training.
This is infact a game not real life football so % is just numbers. The system culculate not on individual but as a whole,* rating is just an indicator. 1%speed v 340% speed is nothing and make no different.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Ok, let's start with what we all agree.
- Players with 1500% fitness and 1% shooting are definitely "mutants"
- Players with 340% white and 1% grey skills, 18 y.o. are created by abusing the system and we don't agree with that.

But players 340%-1%, with 99% quality, are so capable in asso games why ?
Because they have high white/useful for their position skills or because it's some kind of glitch (as the first mutants) and the mechanics understand them as some higher q players ?

How a team with players 340%-1%, 99% quality, performs vs a 130% team ?
Why?

How can a ST with 1% in Fitness and Aggression can be such a great scorer ?
How can a AML/R who are the most successful players in game, perform so good with 1 % in Strength and Aggression ?
How can a DC with 1% Speed, stop oppo attackers ?

Is it a glitch or the mechanics just ignore the grey skills ?
Are they mutants next-gen or well trained players ?

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I had a team of what some would call mutant players and others would call well-trained players while in Noel's association. Overall lost 1 game in 3 seasons (43-4-1). He can confirm if u wish to message him. I actually lost a greater percentage of my league games, than I did association matches.

About my team, I had 1% grays on all starters, including the goalie. Some whites were at 340%, but not all. I didn't upsell, I bought 3* 18 year olds and kept them until they were in their late 20's.

What I had noticed.


Is it a glitch or the mechanics just ignore the grey skills ?

The engine ignores gray skills. No impact whatsoever

Of the white skills, some have a higher priority than others. Fitness, speed and strength are more important than anything else, and its not even close. A DL/DR w/ 340% fitness and speed can still shutdown AML and AMR, w/ 300%+ finishing and shooting, even if speed and fitness are high as well. I play the starter, it's lockdown defense; bring on the backup and we concede 2 or 3 goals to an average team.

Shooting is the next most important skill.

But players 340%-1%, with 99% quality, are so capable in asso games why ?

Not sure exactly. Big thing I noticed was great tactics can still beat the mutants w/ a little luck on the role of the dice. I had a turkish rival in my league that didn't have mutants (now he has mutants though), that was able to play me tough and sometimes get a win or draw, despite me having mutant players (including 1-3 in cup and 0-2 in CL final). Our quality was roughly even. Thing with the mutants is, I don't need to get my tactics correct to win, I just have to prevent my opponent from getting his correct.

lol, I'm trying to figure things out but I have to read a Novel here:D, and believe me I have already some I need to finish lol.

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lol, I'm trying to figure things out but I have to read a Novel here:D, and believe me I have already some I need to finish lol.

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yes, because only lalexrus and macdaniel made relative to the subject posts - lol
(thanks guys, you are to the point)

* gonna modify and transfer some posts later

In my opinion that % counting make no sense. So if for example dl has 50 % speed and enemy amr has 340%so in reality that dl has no chance against amr but not in this game and i dont know why :). Just do it as in fifa series 1-100 but of course it must be pretty hard to get that number(for example from 35 to 37). That could fix all mutants all 1% skills and etc.

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Originally Posted by tomu741

In my opinion that % counting make no sense. So if for example dl has 50 % speed and enemy amr has 340%so in reality that dl has no chance against amr but not in this game and i dont know why :). Just do it as in fifa series 1-100 but of course it must be pretty hard to get that number(for example from 35 to 37). That could fix all mutants all 1% skills and etc.

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You don't understand the system correctly. It's ok, because TE can be very confusing.
First thing, "50%" doesn't actually mean "%", it's just a symbol that means abstract "points" in this case. Don't think of it as "he can only run with half of average speed".
Second, a player in, for example, level 10 team with Speed 50% has total Speed: 50 + 20 * (10 - 1) = 230%, or 230 / 4 = 57.5 in Overall quality points (that quality you can see in the braces after the percentage players quality; formula). And player with 100% Speed from the same team has 100 + 20 * (10 - 1) = 280% or 70 OQ. The difference between 230 and 280 (or 57.5 and 70) is not that big, right?
It does make sense, although, as I said, it's s very confusing system. Unnecessary confusing IMHO.

salahs finishing at chelski was about 1% haha

reading that reply sent me dizzy, my 78% aggression dmc has been sent off 5 times this season with normal tackling, E=MC2 divided by PI

So 340% + 1% players performing like that because its a glitch or because white skills don't matter ? I think only the devs can answer that but they won't as its like admiting that the training system is a fail. I saw only two posts from managers who have players like this but even they cannot explain this performing.

But I dont understand all those moaners, the smart, the winners, the lovers (and no haters :p ) who just coppied the Vietnamese training methods from some fb groups and now they dont know what to do.

As I 'm gonna add this thread later in my Mythbusters concept (https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...op-eleven.html (as the Myth of well-trained players :o ) , want also to add another thing I noticed .

It's about the teams who are edit the names of their teams-groups-players with non alphabet symbols.

Like those two groups or some others if you look at top100
* better for spot with the mobile version, not from browser

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I don't know if there is any connection, some myth , or else but it's interesting to observe it