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Hi,
In this season I have some difficulties about weaker opponents who play defensively.
In other seasons I used short passes, attacking mentality and no counter attack, but now I have some problems, I have lost and tied against opponents much weaker than me (15/20%).
Which tactic and order do you use against defensive (hard or normal) mentality?
Use 451v start with normal/down both flanks/long/force counter attack/high pressing/normal/zonal marking/no offside trap.
Then from 70-90mins switch from long passing to short and switch from high pressing to low.
I used to struggle against teams like this I have many of them in my server, no loss or draw when playing with this tactic for me.
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Originally Posted by Iridensys
I have gotten results with the following tactic against defensive teams.
defensive/flanks/short/off/low/normal/m2m/on
Pulled off a 2-2 and 5-2 against a World Top 100 today with it. Opponent started defense/long pass/counters on/low press.
I changed to defense/flanks/mixed/off/high/normal/m2m/off in 2nd leg. First leg I changed to high press defense + counters and let in the equalizer on the opponents counter-attack.
I understand those tactics look very strange but they have delivered in the past for me against some very good teams.
How do you know that your opponent started with those orders???Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
According to my knowledge you can't guess some opponent's order's like counter attack or low/high pressing, passing style can be guessed from the live animation and the match statistics but it isn't always accurate.
I'm curious to know how you arrived at the conclusion your opponent used those tactics.
Pressing can be spotted by the position of the opponents players on the pitch when I start with possession. Mentality by the position of opponents players on the pitch when they start with possession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
Counters can't be seen from animation I believe you are correct there. Match ratings however can provide some hints. If I have maximum preparation (win bonus, morale and condition) and my first ratings are all 6.6 and 6.7 it means my orders (possibly formation as well) are wrong, and i must change the system immediately. So by tracking the ratings we can figure out some things. Later ratings can be erratic, similar to passing stats being sometimes inaccurate as you said, first ratings are accurate though.
Players still press high and win the ball in the opponents half of the pitch even when you set orders to low press, so as I said earlier you can't determine if your opponent uses this order or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
My team launches a lot of counter attacks even when I set my orders to no counter attack, so it is completely impossible to determine if your opponent uses this order.
The live animation is not a true representation of what actually goes on in the field it's major use to me is to determine if my opponent has set his orders to defensive or attacking, that can always be accurately determined.
thanks guys, I will try your tips.
When I m watching I always monitor the rating.
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well, you never know whether your opponent use defensive mentality
but if you really sure they use defensive by looking to their formation and strength comparison,
don't start with attacking mentality, because if you attack at wrong side, you will got high chance to concede with their counter
just play normal mentality.
use low press if you use 4 defenders with DMC
use high press if you got many midfielder/attacker than defender
then just observe each of your opponent defender rating including their DMC if any.
if you notice one of his defender rating turn lower than 6.5, change your passing focus there,
give extra player to support at that area, play short pass with high press, now you are attacking at their weak spot
and in this situation, you can change to attacking mentality with ON offside trap
I like this orders but I prefer to use mix and not short passing.Quote:
defensive/flanks/short/off/low/normal/m2m/on
I 'm afraid that short passing reduce the chance of counter attacks - which I want to have as advantage.
Can you explain this?Quote:
Originally Posted by adifairus
Thanks
Thanks Nik, I prefer mixing my passes, instead of going "short" in most cases as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
In case of confusion with this system, I want to emphasize I have counter-attacks turned off. My opponent was sitting low, and playing with 5 defenders + a dmc, if I turned counters "ON" the counter-attack would have been stopped before it even started. My best play would have been to just sit back defensively, control possession with a short passing game and break up her counters. This was the mistake I made in the first leg, and ended up leaking the equalizer at 83' minute. I assumed opponent would go on the attack to try for the equalizer, but she just waited for me to make a mistake and capitalized.
well, sometimes you must choose the orders depending if oppo is present
(that's why I don't like the auto-support in asso games 2nd round )
well, high press is full pitch pressing,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vernie83
and we are talking about countering defensive formation,
when he say defensive, i bet the opponent got many defenders at their own half,
if you got less forward players to do full pitch pressing, it will be just a waste and drain out your player with nothing
Thanks
Agreed on both points. Especially that leg 2 auto support.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I feel safer taking more risk tactically if the opponent is not present.
I never said I had the ability to spot if the counter-attacks are on or off through the animations, I said the ratings provide some hints to what system the opponent is running. The prevent counters system worked until mid-to-late first half of the 2ND leg, when i conceded at 41' and 42', so I changed the system at halftime. 2ND half i ended up scoring 4. That said, even if I don't possess the skill level to identify that from animations, it doesn't mean other managers don't possess that ability. Their are better managers than me that have more skill in reading the animations and figuring out what they mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
As for pressing, perhaps i made the wrong read but considering the result I'm skeptical Plus I play alot of high press defense tactically and the animations for her system were noticeably different. My opponent was a very good manager with an excellent team, who happens to be the captain of the current world #99 (#75 at the draw). I ended up with 4 points. The association i am in won 26 - 8. Photos are up on the TE-United facebook so some managers here like Niko might have seen then.