I was thinking that it is a good idea to try to make more fair game for everyone.
Like the tankers for the association games.. Play only in the weekend. and make the league not fair etc.
So Nordeus why not remove 20% of our strength from all the teams???
Just like in Association games, that will make the competions between managers more fair.
No use to tank anymore for anyone...
At least it is something to think about.
Been suggested many times in many threads.
The problem is with asso platinum top100.
i 'm playing the game 4 years and before asso, there wasn't any problem.
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So Nordeus why not remove 20% of our strength from all the teams??
So those asso tricksters will have easier opponents :o
Niko is right. Honestly tanking does not give you any benefits if you play normally.
Nikolgiorgos,
I mean remove 20% from all the teams even the ones NOT promoted.. so in time the 160% teams now will go in lower in time..
Maybe it is good to make a cap or max of 130% per season
So in the new season the strongest teams have tops 110%. so every one has a change against them..
Associations is a good idea, but needs to be done differently.
Like having a separate squad for the Association matches. That'll stop tanking for Associations affecting the League, Cup and CL/SL.
Nordeus have proved that it can be done with the IC competition, now they can make Associations a separate competition as well.
Ok, but it's not fair for teams which played normally but had tough opponents and couldn't make it.Quote:
I mean remove 20% from all the teams even the ones NOT promoted.
That's why I suggested this one
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...s-project.html
agree, that's why I suggested this oneQuote:
Maybe it is good to make a cap or max of 130% per season
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...A-players.html
You see, there are already a lot of suggestions but don't know if there is a will.
And I 'm not sure if it's good to change things because there is no interaction between the devs and the players.
Usually they take some decision without listening to players or really understand what is the real problem.
So I don't bother to play in asso platinum division and that's all for me.
I solved the problem :o
Talisman ,
I agree with you also.
That is a good way to stop the tanking, so the different competions do not mess eachother up.
Like also the asso games, If I have league game just before asso game, I use green packs to restore full strength and moral etc.
Hope Nordeus will do something with these thoughts
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Originally Posted by talisman
Now that is an idea to look into
Indeed I imagine in asso you just get tougher draw. I'm always an advocate in my association for keeping our quality down as much as possible. I have a significant tanker problem in my cl this season tho. Will post pics in a moQuote:
Originally Posted by KenoticFC
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Khris has suggested this also. Good ideaSent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by talisman
Yeah there needs to be 2 or 3 people on the game dev committee. Niko and Khris to stop them making bad decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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Technically it is difficult to implement, we've seen suggestions like this since time ago and knowing the game mechanics I guess can't be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by maloukees
It would be more easy to close the training for players that achieve the 8* if there's no promotion.
Think but, that the game creates the competitions in relation with the own AvQ, so really is not always a real advantage when you stay at same level continuously..
So here is an example of unfair tanking imo. I am in line to play this user in cl sf. To be clear I don't expect to be the highest q user in every match but this seems silly to me....
I am in same level competition and this user as you can see is one level lower. You can also see he is tanking his league. He is 177%q for his level and tanking. 157%q relative to my level. To be in cl he has needed to win cl several seasons on the trot. Is it reasonable to have someone tank year after year after year?
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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy
As far as I'm concerned that is just cheating
Which is obviously expected from a Russian btw
I agree. But this has gone on for soooo long completely unchecked there is severe distortion in the game. I can see why people may want to stay same level for 1 season;Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzo
Separate from a difficult rival (eg. A token buyer or Trickster)
Going on holiday during that season
But to allow teams to stay level endlessly with no % reduction in q is not good for game.
Some good suggestions I have seen others make;
1. Scrap asso top 100 showboat and sales parade. Reduce asso tokens and put on league top 8 to encourage league effort.
2. Separate asso squad like in ic. Hopefully reduces the linked asso motivation and damage caused elsewhere.
3. Have a player stay level (relegation) release clause. Best 3 players say if not promoted automatically sold. Reduces quality of such teams.
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Mmmm, not so sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenoticFC
My 1st team, Altiplano tanked last year for the first time. I did it with a 7 star team. I did it to help our association with loans (which were removed before the end of the season! Lol.) Also to escape a couple of teams that were going to give me problems.
Since that season tanking Altiplano has won 7 leagues, 4 champions leagues ( plus runner up and beaten semi finalist), and 5 cups (plus runner up). In that lot were 3 of my 7 trebles.
I doubt that I would have had that much success without that tanking season. Would I do it again? Yes, if the circumstances were right.
Nordeus are happy to let teams tank and I can understand their reasons. However repetitive tanking (which I have been guilty of doing with my 2nd team) shouldn't be allowed to continue without penalisation.
I was mostly talking about when you play normally. For the longest time I was playing higher level teams in all competitions. The last 2 seasons I have kept only 8 key players and I have lowered my team at the end which has actually helped me playing same level reams. Of course tanking has benefits, Im gonna do it next season because I have bought many scouts in the last 3 seasons and they are not gaining much skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altiplano
And this is where repetitive tanking really stinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by rogerniceguy
With my 2nd team I've never knowingly cost another team a league title. I've been out of the champions league and super league for seasons, but...........I have undoubtedly cost teams a cup, double or even treble with the 6 cup wins in 8 levels that I have with my 2nd team. And that's not fair on the other teams. Even if it is a +1 draw.
Tanking stops from next season with my 2nd team. Otherwise I'm going to end up with 9 star retirees.
As I said (me and other members) some other times, asso top100 is the root of all evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altiplano
This is destroying the game.
Tanking at old times was using as a tool
- to make a break
- to avoid some unbeatable opponent
- to make a little stronger and competitive team (as there were managers who could gather 1500-2000 greens per season and some others none - depend from the country)
But nobody was doing a permanent tanking of 7-8-9 seasons.
Every time you 're facing such an issue, think if this would exist without the asso top100 tricksters ?
My team put a real good fight v the continuous tanker. Ultimately lost 6 3 on agg when deserved to be closer. Sadly for me if tanking of this nature continues it will be goodbye from me. This has gone on too long unfixed. Thanks for support Guilherme my friend!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...453ff5dbaa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...507ace9d0f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f0ba343d7b.jpg
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As there was a phrase Bill Clinton said long time ago (https://fwcon.wordpress.com/its-the-economy-stupid/)
"It's the economy, stupid"
I 'm saying
It's the asso's top100, not the tanking.
Put the blame there.
But I want rankings! I want rankings! :3 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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that was a good ranking (ok, it's the opposite - lol)
They still didn't explain why they didn't improve or work on that.
It's part of the problem for sure. Not convinced removing it is the only measure needed. Still think people would overuse tanking. Give people an inch and they will take a mile. Sadly game needs to reduce the flexibility of tanking somewhat to stop it being abused. For a start limit it to 1 in 5 seasons perhaps. Also reduce association tokens and place on league top 8 to encourage people to try. I've seen many 100%+ teams start season trying only to give up and tank if they suffer an early loss. Where is their competitive spirit? Only interested if they can roll everyone over and get 1st?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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well, as you said it's a part of the problem.
There are others too
so back to economy again.Quote:
I've seen many 100%+ teams start season trying only to give up and tank if they suffer an early loss. Where is their competitive spirit? Only interested if they can roll everyone over and get 1st?
Ok, I have a wealthy team but most of the other managers not.
If you have to pay 30 or more tokens for a single DC, MC or ST 18-19 y.o. , 90% q, so 150-200 tokens for a new team and see that you don't have chances for the championship, tanking is a temptation.
In the old version you could built a whole new team with 30-40 tokens.
You can tank 1 season without actually tanking and build a team cheaply. Buy 11 18yo fast trainers who are between 70 and 79%. You can pretty much pick up such players 1 token each particularly later in week 1 of season. Dump rest of team. Play season normal formation if strong league likely you will finish outside top 8 and those young players will be 90 to 99%. New season 19yo team in the 90s. Job done.[emoji3]Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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i'll be moving on to level 6 next season, I get a feeling at some point soon the dynamics of this game will change and it wont be so enjoyable anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by rogerniceguy
I like the idea of automatic promotion for teams above 130%.
Auto releasing the players of a tanker sounds good, but their is still the top of the server problem. It's very feasible to have several 8*+ players at this point, play normally and still not finish in the top 8. If implemented (and it is a good idea), there needs to be a way to ensure managers at the top of the server aren't punished by this.
I'm cannot agree about removing the association top 100 list. I don't think it'll stop tanking and will greatly decrease the appeal of playing associations and ultimately Top11. The thing is most the tanking associations that are exploiting the draw, are alot closer to 1350 points than the World Top 100.
On my server, there is a 168% tanker @ level 45 and a 171% tanker @ level 48. Their associations are in Gold 1 and Gold 2. These guys cannot reach platinum, yet they still tank and only play the cup. These guys aren't tanking because they want World Top 100. One is in Gold 2 for crying out loud. It's about bullying smaller teams and perhaps stopping a treble bid. The 171% is playing normal this season in league but he has a defending triple winner in his league.
